Guantaamo Bay

[lived666]

Again, i would like to see your face when your country is invaded by another your wife,gf,sister,mother raped....your dad,brothers,grandfather ectect shot......im sure you will see it as making the world a safer place....

You have just described exactly how the Arabs would behave if they ever managed to invade Israel BUT if you are trying to imply that this is what the Americans are doing in Iraq - hahahaha, blinkers dude, take them off, or go for reprogramming, you have been brain washed with blind hatred.
Dude the daily atrocities in Iraq is Muslim on Muslim violence, don’t blame the yanks for that

Re the topic, here is an Arab perspective on G/Bay

http://www.tothepointnews.com/content/view/2110/87/

The prisoners at ‘Gitmo’ are a bunch of Al Qaeda Jihadis who were captured while bent on killing us - the ******s or ‘unbelievers.’ They laugh watching our government bend over backwards, forwards and sideways trying to appease the critics.

The more we stumble over ourselves questioning our goals and tactics, the more the Jihadis think we are weak and easy to defeat. They smirk because they believe that Americans have demonstrated how stupid and weak they are by caving in to stories about maltreatment of Guantanamo detainees.

Actually Gitmo is a joke as far as the Arabs are concerned. Prison? You call that a prison? You know what prisoners call Guantanamo among themselves? Al muntazah al-dini lilmujaheden al Moslemin, The Religious Resort for Islamic Militants.

They are given three halal (Moslem kosher) meals a day in accordance to their religious dictates. How many Jewish kosher prisons are there for Jews in the Arabic world? None. Jews captured in the Arab world are butchered like those obscene pictures taken in Ramallah during the frenzied slaughter of two Israeli reservists who got lost.

Most of these Guantanamo detainees never had three meals a day in their entire life. They are gaining weight, and are living in what they refer to in Arabic as Al-Jannah, paradise. They have radio, television, soccer games, air-conditioning, clean clothes, servants, meaning American GIs, who wait on them hand and foot.

They have Islamic chaplains and handed Korans, the Hate Guide Against Infidels, by people so concerned as not to offend that they wear latex gloves and carry the book with two hands.

Many Moslems in the Middle East would gladly give up their poverty, dictatorial governments, corrupt leaders and social bondage to enjoy the relative luxuries Guantanamo offers. They have free medical care, better than millions of uninsured Americans and our military men and women serving on the Jihadis’ battlefield.

Some of them who couldn't afford to see an optometrist now have glasses and can see and read their Koran. Others who never had the opportunity to see a dentist now have a free dental plan. It has become such a joke; we even stop interrogations to let them take prayer breaks demanded by their religion.

 

[Devill]

And you say I never read your posts

3 suspects. Wow it's rampant out of control butchery. Poor Abu the humble barber. Plucked out of nowhere and tortured. Why? Because the bloodthirsty neocon satan reincarnates just get off on it

ok so it is fine for me to go pick up any black person i see and torture them because a black guy tried to hijack me?

Yes your logic is astounding

Ok alan so i can come shoot your mother because hay what is one person in the grand sceme of things? And you promise you wont be angry right, we can still be bestest best friends, or how about i come kill you? i suspect that you had something to do with my attempted hijacking....then ill rape your mother and maybe your father if i really feel like it...but hay no hard feelings because its only 3 people that i have influenced negatively.

 

[Devill]

You have just described exactly how the Arabs would behave if they ever managed to invade Israel BUT if you are trying to imply that this is what the Americans are doing in Iraq - hahahaha, blinkers dude, take them off, or go for reprogramming, you have been brain washed with blind hatred.
Dude the daily atrocities in Iraq is Muslim on Muslim violence, don’t blame the yanks for that

Re the topic, here is an Arab perspective on G/Bay

http://www.tothepointnews.com/content/view/2110/87/

Lol, but why did the americans have to go stick their noses in there?

But they wont do the same in Zim?

Lol, a bit of a double standard dont you think?

 

[lived666]

Lol, but why did the americans have to go stick their noses in there?

hmmm, I wonder why? Saddam Hussein was such a humanitarian, probably a hero to people like you!

and still not a peep from you or any one else about torture in Egyptian prisons, not a word....how surprising.

edit PS: and dude, go get treatment, you keep wanting to rape peoples moms

 

[Pixie22]

Waterboarding is a form of torture that consists of immobilizing a person on their back with the head inclined downward—known as the Trendelenburg position—and pouring water over the face and into the breathing passages.[1][2] Through forced suffocation and inhalation of water, the subject experiences the process of drowning and is made to believe that death is imminent.[3] In contrast to merely submerging the head face-forward, waterboarding almost immediately elicits the gag reflex.[4] Although waterboarding does not always cause lasting physical damage, it carries the risks of extreme pain, damage to the lungs, brain damage caused by oxygen deprivation, injuries (including broken bones) due to struggling against restraints, and even death.[5] The psychological effects on victims of waterboarding can last for years after the procedure.[6]

Waterboarding was used for interrogation at least as early as the Spanish Inquisition to obtain information,[7] coerce confessions, punish, and intimidate. It is considered to be torture by a wide range of authorities, including legal experts,[5][8] politicians, war veterans,[9][10] intelligence officials,[11] military judges,[12] and human rights organizations.[13][14] Despite its long use as a technique, the first actual use of the term "waterboarding" in the media occurred on May 13, 2004, in the New York Times. In 2007 waterboarding led to a political scandal in the United States when the press reported that the CIA had waterboarded extrajudicial prisoners and that the Justice Department had authorized this procedure.[15][16] The CIA is known to have used waterboarding on at least three Al-Qaida suspects: Khalid Sheikh Mohammed, Abu Zubaydah and Abd al-Rahim al-Nashiri.[17][18]


Anyway so the usa never used torture hay?

What exactly do they expect? To be treated like an American Citizen? lmfao
Can't go supporting cutting innocent peoples heads off and bombing innocent civilians and then expect to actually have any rights or a trial. Sucks if some are innocent, but I think "innocent" generally means in this situation, that they can't prove you cut anyones head off or master minded any attacks. If you support those "organizations" or as I like to refer to them, "gangs", then you are still guilty and deserve to be there. If you make a website that encourages people to make bombs and murder people, then you can say bye bye to your freedom. For an extremist, those sites are fap material.

 

[d0b33]

Guantanamo Bay is a sadomasochism camp for the neocons.

 

[Devill]

hmmm, I wonder why? Saddam Hussein was such a humanitarian, probably a hero to people like you!

and still not a peep from you or any one else about torture in Egyptian prisons, not a word....how surprising.

I say it is just as wrong as what the americans are doing.....

You have not said anything about why the yanks dont come clean Zim up.....

 

[Devill]

What exactly do they expect? To be treated like an American Citizen? lmfao
Can't go supporting cutting innocent peoples heads off and bombing innocent civilians and then expect to actually have any rights or a trial. Sucks if some are innocent, but I think "innocent" generally means in this situation, that they can't prove you cut anyones head off or master minded any attacks. If you support those "organizations" or as I like to refer to them, "gangs", then you are still guilty and deserve to be there. If you make a website that encourages people to make bombs and murder people, then you can say bye bye to your freedom. For an extremist, those sites are fap material.

Again another one who has problems reading......go read about the innocents that was tortured.

If you can prove someone is guilty i also say shoot the motherfocker....but how does the saying go....."innocent untill proven guilty"

 

[lived666]

I say it is just as wrong as what the americans are doing.....

You have not said anything about why the yanks dont come clean Zim up.....

Contact the USA embassy and ask to speak to their foreign department - I can't really say why, maybe its that they following the lead of the neighbour to the South, the one with all the quiet diplomacy, the one that if wanted to restore order in Zim could invade and take it over and clean up the mess within a week.

why do you want the USA to sort out Zim, why can't you expect you government to do something?

 

[lived666]

Again another one who has problems reading......go read about the innocents that was tortured.

If you can prove someone is guilty i also say shoot the motherfocker....but how does the saying go....."innocent untill proven guilty"

in case you didnt read:

You know what prisoners call Guantanamo among themselves? Al muntazah al-dini lilmujaheden al Moslemin, The Religious Resort for Islamic Militants.

and

They are given three halal (Moslem kosher) meals a day in accordance to their religious dictates.

and

They have radio, television, soccer games, air-conditioning, clean clothes

 

[Devill]

Contact the USA embassy and ask to speak to their foreign department - I can't really say why, maybe its that they following the lead of the neighbour to the South, the one with all the quiet diplomacy, the one that if wanted to restore order in Zim could invade and take it over and clean up the mess within a week.

why do you want the USA to sort out Zim, why can't you expect you government to do something?

Then why couldnt Iraq's neighbours sort it out?

You are applying double standards are you not?

 

[Alan]

ok so it is fine for me to go pick up any black person i see and torture them because a black guy tried to hijack me?

Yes your logic is astounding

Ok alan so i can come shoot your mother because hay what is one person in the grand sceme of things? And you promise you wont be angry right, we can still be bestest best friends, or how about i come kill you? i suspect that you had something to do with my attempted hijacking....then ill rape your mother and maybe your father if i really feel like it...but hay no hard feelings because its only 3 people that i have influenced negatively.

It's a bit early for hallucinogenic drugs isn't it .

But yes those 3 were humble citizens just going about their daily lives before being abducted and tortured because as Sufferwell puts it neocons are "sadomasochists". Makes perfect sense.

I say it is just as wrong as what the americans are doing.....

You have not said anything about why the yanks dont come clean Zim up.....

Yeah it's not like they're busy fighting two wars at the moment. Oh wait they are.

 

[lived666]

Then why couldnt Iraq's neighbours sort it out?

You are applying double standards are you not?

nope, iraqs neighbours couldnt, dude, come on, get real, don't you know the history of the region

Kuwait was invaded by Iraq, Saudi Arabia crapped themselves, Iran fought a long war with Iraq, Kurds fighting turks and Iraq - The Arab countries welcomed the USA.
You actually think the USA attacked Iraq without first consulting with the Saudis and Kuwait and the other gulf states - without their blessing the USA would have stayed away dude.

 

[Pixie22]

Again another one who has problems reading......go read about the innocents that was tortured.

If you can prove someone is guilty i also say shoot the motherfocker....but how does the saying go....."innocent untill proven guilty"

Well the death penalty always carries a small room for error.
Even if you prove someone is guilty, there is a chance that they aren't.

I just think its funny that you are fighting the Americans treatment of these guys, yet if I was to go to the middle east and setup a website ripping Islam, or dare I say, calling for another crusade and encouraging christians to murder Muslims, then Im pretty sure the trial and punishment would make the US prison look like a pretty good deal. Wouldn't even take that much. All I'd have to say is something about muhammed and it'd be the death sentence for me.

The US aren't even matching the severity of those countries laws.

 

[d0b33]

Why don't they just execute them... problem solved.
Move on with life

Yeah... how about I tip you off as being a terrorist collaborator for a little reward money to feed my family and then I'll take your property when you get shipped off to gitmo.

We have a deal?

 

[Devill]

But yes those 3 were humble citizens just going about their daily lives before being abducted and tortured because as Sufferwell puts it neocons are "sadomasochists". Makes perfect sense.

then why did they let them go if the "proof" was so convincing.

Yeah it's not like they're busy fighting two wars at the moment. Oh wait they are.

Lol, and why are they fighting two wars again?

Ps IF like lived666 said the SA army can invade Zim and clean it up why cant the americans do it....with 1% of their giant, highly trained army?

 

[Devill]

Well the death penalty always carries a small room for error.
Even if you prove someone is guilty, there is a chance that they aren't.

I just think its funny that you are fighting the Americans treatment of these guys, yet if I was to go to the middle east and setup a website ripping Islam, or dare I say, calling for another crusade and encouraging christians to murder Muslims, then Im pretty sure the trial and punishment would make the US prison look like a pretty good deal. Wouldn't even take that much. All I'd have to say is something about muhammed and it'd be the death sentence for me.

The US aren't even matching the severity of those countries laws.

Easy stay out of the middle east... but the US is going there and detaining people.

Two very different cases.

 

[Xarog]

All this fascination with the USA and yet not one pro Arab/Muslim voice is raised when an Egyptian blogger is arrested and tortured for talking against the regime - not one peep, how the silence is deafening!

http://www.counterpunch.org/fisk04072008.html

Now you know why.

The people in Guantanamo Bay arn't there because they've been farming roses, they there because they've done some damn nasty stuff - and if one or two were in the wrong place at the wrong time, small price to pay for world safety!

Riight, so everyone in prison awaiting trial is guilty?

Actually, the vast majority of Guantanamo detainees are innocent. They were also picked up more or less anonymously by "allies" of the US, and more importantly, these "allies" were paid finders fees for every "taliban" they picked up, no questions asked.

3 suspects. Wow it's rampant out of control butchery. Poor Abu the humble barber. Plucked out of nowhere and tortured. Why? Because the bloodthirsty neocon satan reincarnates just get off on it

Well, at least now we know how you get YOUR rocks off.

You have just described exactly how the Arabs would behave if they ever managed to invade Israel BUT if you are trying to imply that this is what the Americans are doing in Iraq - hahahaha, blinkers dude, take them off, or go for reprogramming, you have been brain washed with blind hatred.
Dude the daily atrocities in Iraq is Muslim on Muslim violence, don’t blame the yanks for that.

Oh, it's not like the yanks are responsible for anything there. Despite getting Saddam into power in the first place, despite propping up one lousy dictator after another in the region so long as they were willing to protect US strategic/financial interests, despite intentionally playing sects against each other. Right?



I'm afraid you're the one with the blinkers. Any group of people, no matter HOW reasonable, would start to get a bit miffed if a bunch of people from another group of countries started interfering with their internal affairs. This has been going on for the last 60 years, and at this point it's pure idiocy to point fingers at the other side as if they started it. Blame for the current state affairs lies firmly at the West's doorstep.

What exactly do they expect? To be treated like an American Citizen? lmfao
Can't go supporting cutting innocent peoples heads off and bombing innocent civilians and then expect to actually have any rights or a trial.

And how are you supposed to prove that they did any of these things without a trial? Actually, nevermind, I like this game. Pixie, I find you guilty of being an utter idiot. No trial is neccessary, the punishment is a ritual bogwashing. I trust you'll carry out the sentence, since I just used your logic to come to an irrefutable judgement.

Sucks if some are innocent, but I think "innocent" generally means in this situation, that they can't prove you cut anyones head off or master minded any attacks. If you support those "organizations" or as I like to refer to them, "gangs", then you are still guilty and deserve to be there. If you make a website that encourages people to make bombs and murder people, then you can say bye bye to your freedom. For an extremist, those sites are fap material.

One of the cornerstones of justice is the concept of being innocent until proven guilty. [-]Funny[/-] Sad how willing you are to throw it all away just to deal with the "bad guys".

in case you didnt read:

You know what prisoners call Guantanamo among themselves? Al muntazah al-dini lilmujaheden al Moslemin, The Religious Resort for Islamic Militants.

and

They are given three halal (Moslem kosher) meals a day in accordance to their religious dictates.

and

They have radio, television, soccer games, air-conditioning, clean clothes

Oh, cool. So you can do whatever you want to people as long as you give them some nice air-conditioning and some TV? Wow, someone should tell all the guys committing armed robberies in SA that the only thing they've been doing wrong is not making sure the TV was set to 7de laan while they were busy.

I just think its funny that you are fighting the Americans treatment of these guys, yet if I was to go to the middle east and setup a website ripping Islam, or dare I say, calling for another crusade and encouraging christians to murder Muslims, then Im pretty sure the trial and punishment would make the US prison look like a pretty good deal. Wouldn't even take that much. All I'd have to say is something about muhammed and it'd be the death sentence for me.

The US aren't even matching the severity of those countries laws.

But no one claims to be doing that crap to protect freedoms, either. Last I saw, Egypt/Syria/Saudi Arabia weren't mouthing off how they're protecting the free world by torturing these guys. But who knows, I could be wrong. Feel free to find sources to prove otherwise.

 

[Pixie22]

Easy stay out of the middle east... but the US is going there and detaining people.

Two very different cases.

Yeah you are right, they are different cases, but what can you do against the US of A? They ownage this Earth at current

as for your suggestion about staying out of the middle east.. I don't agree with that at all. BASIC HUMAN RIGHTS AND FREEDOM OF SPEECH are hit down in that part of the world. and if the ME is so stubborn as to let things escalate to war over not implementing basic rights then so be it. They will lose and they will bring the loss on themselves and their innocent civilians willingly. Thats always been their problem.. They are so foolish.

Im all for a one world government btw

 

[lived666]

I'm afraid you're the one with the blinkers. Any group of people, no matter HOW reasonable, would start to get a bit miffed if a bunch of people from another group of countries started interfering with their internal affairs. This has been going on for the last 60 years, and at this point it's pure idiocy to point fingers at the other side as if they started it. Blame for the current state affairs lies firmly at the West's doorstep.

Musttafah: Hey, Yussuf...
Yussuf: Yebo, waz up Musttafah?
Musttafah: I feel a bit miffed, dont you?
Yussuf: You feel miffed, how come?
Musttafah: Its these Infidel Americans Yussuf. Teaching our woman that they are equal, and this nonsense about human rights, I tell you, I am just so miffed!
Yussuf: Hey I agree, I feel miffed to now, lets do something!
Musttafah: Hey I know, lets go plant a car bomb and kill some innocent civillians, that will teach these Americans a lesson

6/4/2008 (Baghdad, Iraq) - Twenty-five Iraqis are killed in two explosions, one caused by a truck carrying weapons for Shia militia in a residential area.

Yussuf: I sure hope the Americans have learnt their lesson now!!