Grant
Honorary Master
it appears the state have not even finalized the charge sheet yet
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ChocolateBadger
Expert Member
I think all the red tape in the court system is enough to prevent terrorism. Imagine all the legal costs and back and forth. Sjoe
TysonRoux
Honorary Master
The Hawks posted pictures of these two posing with a lethal weapon, ...... a paint-ball gun.
Source?
I'm not seeing where the Hawks allege that there is a lethal weapon?
Twins' murder accused case postponed for mental observation
Cape Town - The case of the Spanish national accused of murdering his twins in Hout Bay has been postponed to May because he is still waiting to undergo mental observation.
The Wynberg Magistrate's Court on Tuesday postponed Mario Yela's case to May 10 because of this.
The former dentist is accused of killing his 3-year-old twins, Maximo and Octavia, in a rented flat in Hout Bay on April 6.
His lawyer, William Booth, told the court at a previous appearance that he had suicidal tendencies. Booth deplored the conditions at Pollsmoor Prison, where Yela was waiting for his trial.
"There are rats, lice, cockroaches, and one shower and one toilet for 20 people. He has to sleep with dirty blankets on the floor," he said previously.
The court previously heard that Yela rented the holiday home for three weeks to visit the twins and his 7-year-old son.
He apparently sent a message to his former wife, Julia Engelhorn, asking her to come over for lunch. When she arrived, he told her he had killed the twins.
"She got up, went into the bedroom and discovered the twins. The third child was still at school. He had a knife in his possession. He then threatened to kill her," prosecutor Benito Adonis said at the time.
Engelhorn escaped and got help.
News24
http://www.news24.com/SouthAfrica/N...still-waiting-for-mental-observation-20170425
Cape Town - The case of the Spanish national accused of murdering his twins in Hout Bay has been postponed to May because he is still waiting to undergo mental observation.
The Wynberg Magistrate's Court on Tuesday postponed Mario Yela's case to May 10 because of this.
The former dentist is accused of killing his 3-year-old twins, Maximo and Octavia, in a rented flat in Hout Bay on April 6.
His lawyer, William Booth, told the court at a previous appearance that he had suicidal tendencies. Booth deplored the conditions at Pollsmoor Prison, where Yela was waiting for his trial.
"There are rats, lice, cockroaches, and one shower and one toilet for 20 people. He has to sleep with dirty blankets on the floor," he said previously.
The court previously heard that Yela rented the holiday home for three weeks to visit the twins and his 7-year-old son.
He apparently sent a message to his former wife, Julia Engelhorn, asking her to come over for lunch. When she arrived, he told her he had killed the twins.
"She got up, went into the bedroom and discovered the twins. The third child was still at school. He had a knife in his possession. He then threatened to kill her," prosecutor Benito Adonis said at the time.
Engelhorn escaped and got help.
News24
http://www.news24.com/SouthAfrica/N...still-waiting-for-mental-observation-20170425
Thulsie twins' terror case delayed
More at : http://www.iol.co.za/the-star/thulsie-twins-terror-case-delayed-9160302
More at : http://www.iol.co.za/the-star/thulsie-twins-terror-case-delayed-9160302
Terror-accused Thulsie twins' case postponed
Johannesburg – The case against the terror-accused Thulsie twins was postponed in the Johannesburg Magistrate's Court on Monday.
Brandon-Lee and Tony-Lee Thulsie, 23, appeared briefly in court on Monday. State prosecutor Advocate Adele Barnard told the court there was a lot of evidence, which included digital evidence against the accused.
Barnard said an analyst that was busy with the draft report was on leave. She asked for the matter to be postponed for two months.
"The State hasn't indicated when they started this process and how long they will take. The State cannot hold the investigation open indefinitely," their lawyer Ashraf Parak said.
Parak said earlier the State asked for a postponement of three months to request information from foreign agencies.
'Firearms, explosives, and possibly poison'
"Now the State comes and asked for a further two months. The accused have been in custody since July 2016, the investigations have been going on prior to their arrest, it has been going on for two years," he said.
The twins were arrested during raids in Newclare and Azaadville on the West Rand in July 2016.
According to the charge sheet, the brothers were allegedly linked to the self-proclaimed Islamic State (ISIS) group and were allegedly planning to detonate explosives at a US embassy and "Jewish institutions" in South Africa.
In the indictment submitted to the court in April, the State lists 12 activities the twins were instructed to carry out – using firearms, explosives, and possibly poison.
"In August 2015 [Tony-Lee] became a participant in a series of Telegram chats with Abu Fidaa, an ISIS network, and other persons whose real identities are unknown to the State, during which he was instructed to:
- Attack the best targets involving 'US/Brit/French interest in SA';
- Kill Zapiro, who drew the Messenger of Allah cartoon;
- Kill Jews who fight in Israel and return to South Africa;
- Kill affluent Jews; and
- Kill gay imam, "as yet unidentified".
Other targets included King David High School in Linksfield in Johannesburg, the UK High Commission, the embassies of the USA and Russia, the First Secretary to the French Mission, Jewish investment banker Roy Topol, SA Zionist Federation Telfed, state-owned arms manufacturer Denel, Jewish community events and foreign interests at airports.
'How to live a double life'
Tony-Lee is accused of discussing terrorist plans with an undercover US Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI) agent between May and June 2016. He believed the agent was an ISIS operative based in the US. He allegedly sought advice on making bombs and asked for funding.
He is also accused of soliciting support for ISIS using his personal Facebook page.
Brandon-Lee allegedly acquired the Mujahideen Poisons Handbook by Abdek-Aziz, and the manual entitled How to Survive in the West: A Mujahid Guide, which teaches its readers how to "live a double life" and "how to keep your secret life private".
Earlier, the State said that the brothers collected issues of Inspire, the magazine of al-Qaeda in the Arabian Peninsula.
The issues contained an illustrated guide on making explosive devices, inciting participation in "jihad" and provided training in weapons and combat, the indictment said.
The defence also wanted to look at the docket to make a decision on centralising the fraud charge from Ficksburg in the Free State.
The matter was postponed to July 5 for further investigation.
News24
http://www.news24.com/SouthAfrica/News/terror-accused-thulsie-twins-case-postponed-20170529
Johannesburg – The case against the terror-accused Thulsie twins was postponed in the Johannesburg Magistrate's Court on Monday.
Brandon-Lee and Tony-Lee Thulsie, 23, appeared briefly in court on Monday. State prosecutor Advocate Adele Barnard told the court there was a lot of evidence, which included digital evidence against the accused.
Barnard said an analyst that was busy with the draft report was on leave. She asked for the matter to be postponed for two months.
"The State hasn't indicated when they started this process and how long they will take. The State cannot hold the investigation open indefinitely," their lawyer Ashraf Parak said.
Parak said earlier the State asked for a postponement of three months to request information from foreign agencies.
'Firearms, explosives, and possibly poison'
"Now the State comes and asked for a further two months. The accused have been in custody since July 2016, the investigations have been going on prior to their arrest, it has been going on for two years," he said.
The twins were arrested during raids in Newclare and Azaadville on the West Rand in July 2016.
According to the charge sheet, the brothers were allegedly linked to the self-proclaimed Islamic State (ISIS) group and were allegedly planning to detonate explosives at a US embassy and "Jewish institutions" in South Africa.
In the indictment submitted to the court in April, the State lists 12 activities the twins were instructed to carry out – using firearms, explosives, and possibly poison.
"In August 2015 [Tony-Lee] became a participant in a series of Telegram chats with Abu Fidaa, an ISIS network, and other persons whose real identities are unknown to the State, during which he was instructed to:
- Attack the best targets involving 'US/Brit/French interest in SA';
- Kill Zapiro, who drew the Messenger of Allah cartoon;
- Kill Jews who fight in Israel and return to South Africa;
- Kill affluent Jews; and
- Kill gay imam, "as yet unidentified".
Other targets included King David High School in Linksfield in Johannesburg, the UK High Commission, the embassies of the USA and Russia, the First Secretary to the French Mission, Jewish investment banker Roy Topol, SA Zionist Federation Telfed, state-owned arms manufacturer Denel, Jewish community events and foreign interests at airports.
'How to live a double life'
Tony-Lee is accused of discussing terrorist plans with an undercover US Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI) agent between May and June 2016. He believed the agent was an ISIS operative based in the US. He allegedly sought advice on making bombs and asked for funding.
He is also accused of soliciting support for ISIS using his personal Facebook page.
Brandon-Lee allegedly acquired the Mujahideen Poisons Handbook by Abdek-Aziz, and the manual entitled How to Survive in the West: A Mujahid Guide, which teaches its readers how to "live a double life" and "how to keep your secret life private".
Earlier, the State said that the brothers collected issues of Inspire, the magazine of al-Qaeda in the Arabian Peninsula.
The issues contained an illustrated guide on making explosive devices, inciting participation in "jihad" and provided training in weapons and combat, the indictment said.
The defence also wanted to look at the docket to make a decision on centralising the fraud charge from Ficksburg in the Free State.
The matter was postponed to July 5 for further investigation.
News24
http://www.news24.com/SouthAfrica/News/terror-accused-thulsie-twins-case-postponed-20170529
Grant
Honorary Master
further investigation ???
seems the state is clutching at straws - nearly a year of "investigating" ?
grok
Honorary Master
Nah what he's done is treason..
Terror accused Thulsie twins to remain behind bars
More at: http://www.iol.co.za/news/south-afr...-thulsie-twins-to-remain-behind-bars-10139577
More at: http://www.iol.co.za/news/south-afr...-thulsie-twins-to-remain-behind-bars-10139577
TysonRoux
Honorary Master
One year in jail for a VERY weak case.
I expect the twins are going to get a big fat settlement at the tax payers expense.
I expect the twins are going to get a big fat settlement at the tax payers expense.
Thulsie twins' case transferred to High Court
Johannesburg – The Thulsie twins' case has been transferred to the High Court in Johannesburg for a pre-trial hearing, the Johannesburg Magistrate's Court heard on Thursday.
Brandon-Lee and Tony-Lee Thulsie, 23, both dressed in black, appeared briefly in court on Thursday morning, where they were served their indictments.
The twins were arrested during raids in Newclare and Azaadville, on the West Rand, in July 2016.
According to the charge sheet, they were allegedly linked to the self-proclaimed Islamic State (ISIS) group and were allegedly planning to detonate explosives at a US embassy and Jewish institutions in South Africa.
In the indictment submitted to the court in April, the State lists 12 activities the twins were allegedly instructed to carry out – using firearms, explosives, and possibly poison.
"In August 2015 [Tony-Lee] became a participant in a series of Telegram chats with Abu Fidaa, an ISIS network, and other persons whose real identities are unknown to the State, during which he was instructed to:
- Attack the best targets involving 'US/Brit/French interest in SA';
- Kill Zapiro, who drew the Messenger of Allah cartoon;
- Kill Jews who fight in Israel and return to South Africa;
- Kill affluent Jews; and
- Kill gay imam, 'as yet unidentified'."
Other targets included King David High School in Linksfield, Johannesburg, the UK High Commission, the embassies of the USA and Russia, the first secretary to the French Mission, Jewish investment banker Roy Topol, SA Zionist Federation Telfed, state-owned arms manufacturer Denel, Jewish community events, and foreign interests at airports.
Tony-Lee is accused of discussing terrorist plans with an undercover US Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI) agent between May and June 2016.
He believed the agent was an ISIS operative based in the US. He allegedly sought advice on making bombs and asked for funding. He is accused of soliciting support for ISIS using his personal Facebook page.
Brandon-Lee allegedly acquired the Mujahideen Poisons Handbook by Abdek-Aziz, and a manual entitled How to Survive in the West: A Mujahid Guide , which teaches its readers how to live a double life and how to "keep your secret life private".
Earlier, the State said the brothers had collected issues of Inspire , al-Qaeda’s magazine in the Arabian Peninsula. The issues contain an illustrated guide on making explosive devices, inciting participation in jihad, and tips on using weapons and engaging in combat, the indictment states.
The twins are expected to appear in the High Court on October 20.
News24
http://www.news24.com/SouthAfrica/News/thulsie-twins-case-transferred-to-high-court-20170831
Johannesburg – The Thulsie twins' case has been transferred to the High Court in Johannesburg for a pre-trial hearing, the Johannesburg Magistrate's Court heard on Thursday.
Brandon-Lee and Tony-Lee Thulsie, 23, both dressed in black, appeared briefly in court on Thursday morning, where they were served their indictments.
The twins were arrested during raids in Newclare and Azaadville, on the West Rand, in July 2016.
According to the charge sheet, they were allegedly linked to the self-proclaimed Islamic State (ISIS) group and were allegedly planning to detonate explosives at a US embassy and Jewish institutions in South Africa.
In the indictment submitted to the court in April, the State lists 12 activities the twins were allegedly instructed to carry out – using firearms, explosives, and possibly poison.
"In August 2015 [Tony-Lee] became a participant in a series of Telegram chats with Abu Fidaa, an ISIS network, and other persons whose real identities are unknown to the State, during which he was instructed to:
- Attack the best targets involving 'US/Brit/French interest in SA';
- Kill Zapiro, who drew the Messenger of Allah cartoon;
- Kill Jews who fight in Israel and return to South Africa;
- Kill affluent Jews; and
- Kill gay imam, 'as yet unidentified'."
Other targets included King David High School in Linksfield, Johannesburg, the UK High Commission, the embassies of the USA and Russia, the first secretary to the French Mission, Jewish investment banker Roy Topol, SA Zionist Federation Telfed, state-owned arms manufacturer Denel, Jewish community events, and foreign interests at airports.
Tony-Lee is accused of discussing terrorist plans with an undercover US Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI) agent between May and June 2016.
He believed the agent was an ISIS operative based in the US. He allegedly sought advice on making bombs and asked for funding. He is accused of soliciting support for ISIS using his personal Facebook page.
Brandon-Lee allegedly acquired the Mujahideen Poisons Handbook by Abdek-Aziz, and a manual entitled How to Survive in the West: A Mujahid Guide , which teaches its readers how to live a double life and how to "keep your secret life private".
Earlier, the State said the brothers had collected issues of Inspire , al-Qaeda’s magazine in the Arabian Peninsula. The issues contain an illustrated guide on making explosive devices, inciting participation in jihad, and tips on using weapons and engaging in combat, the indictment states.
The twins are expected to appear in the High Court on October 20.
News24
http://www.news24.com/SouthAfrica/News/thulsie-twins-case-transferred-to-high-court-20170831
marine1
Honorary Master
Good now hopefully they can be sent to jail soon and maybe the yanks or Mossad can have them
SA's Thulsie twins placed on US terror list
More at: https://www.iol.co.za/news/politics...ulsie-twins-placed-on-us-terror-list-11281219
More at: https://www.iol.co.za/news/politics...ulsie-twins-placed-on-us-terror-list-11281219
Thulsie twins' lawyer set to challenge Terrorism Act
More at : https://www.iol.co.za/news/south-af...awyer-set-to-challenge-terrorism-act-11641583
More at : https://www.iol.co.za/news/south-af...awyer-set-to-challenge-terrorism-act-11641583
Thulsie twins to spend another Christmas behind bars
More at: https://www.iol.co.za/news/south-af...-spend-another-christmas-behind-bars-12362718
More at: https://www.iol.co.za/news/south-af...-spend-another-christmas-behind-bars-12362718