HD 5870 OR GTX 295

spoke to axiz yesterday and the sales lady seemed like a noobthey just got pricing and i think she game me the right figure :eek: then had to confirm with the product manager and suddenly the price is up almost 1k :eek: wich once again makes me think our supplier are making a killing and dealers have to make measly markups to try and compeate :mad: i for one will reccomend landmark pc's ATI 5870 price is only R400 more than UK Prices to the public. Im very tempted to get one but my better half has been retrenched due to our economic crisis so funds need to be wisely spent :(
 
5870... it's a SINGLE GPU..
295 is two 275 GPUs on one board.

and in some games the 5870 even BEATS the dual core board.
 
SA's prices of Hardware is complete rip off.
5870 is USA is USD400
here. it's 5-6grand...

Another reason to go on holiday :p and bring back the card of your dreams :P
 
OK LOOKS LIKE I MIGHT JUST HOLD ONTO MY ORGANS FOR NOW. but it doesn matter how much better its gonna be if they gonna ask like R268 000.00 per card. ffs always try to rip us off:mad:

talking about stickfigures prophecy link
 
1000 watt amps


On many car sound amplifiers, you see 800/1000/2000 watt output. Personally my first sub woofer was 600watt nominal and 800watt peak power handling, right. Generally this was believable as screws of my visor and drivers seat got undone until I downgraded to a Pioneer 400watt nominal with 1200watt peak. My last sub was an Infinity 350watt with same peak power handling as the Pioneer.

Now I know that a 200watt house sub will break windows in the house if it is standard glass. Your French doors' glass will fall apart. A 600watt sub should break my skull in the car but it doesn't, mmmmm.

That article as far as I am concerned is rumours to stop ATI's dance. Tactics. Bring the thing out then we talk. I have been running Nvidia cards from the beginning of time and that is the first article I read and just started laughing.

If I could I would get that ATI card and enjoy it 'quietly' shooting aliens in Crysis. Unfortunately my PC is complete with nvidia chipset and all. Gotta see it to shift my next upgrade plans for December.
 

yes, but firstly.

those processors won't cost us a lot, it will cost Nvidia a lot too.
Nvidia is getting greedy now. they just wanna beat ATI at any cost, and it may prove their downfall.

-3billion transistors!? UM, that's a MASSIVE chip! A lot of power will be zapped by it (if we look at ATI's cards, the hd5870 consumes about 190 watts. and the HD5850 consumes 160 watts. the Nvidia will consume close to 230 watts, maybe even 250 watts at peak load!)

Secondly, the 384bit bus, plus DDr 5 will be costly. A 384bit bus is costly with ddr3, and ddr5 is a little more pricey (that's why ATI pared it with the 256bit and 128bit bus, you get good bandwidth, but at a decent price).
that means we might be looking at a situation where the gt300 has sooo much bandwidth that it's more then the core can handle(so the gpu just can't use it all).

Thirdly. 1.5 gigs ddr5 to about 3gigs will be awesome to pitch for gaming, but seriously, maybe in 4 years where game environments can actually use all the memory, it's a bit of a waste :p.

I'm interested in the clock speeds though. with a chip that big, that new, I wonder what Nvidia will clock it at.
remember that 5 ATI shader roughly (ROUGHLY) are the same as 1 Nvidia shader, so the hd5890 has about 320, but with a recent clock. the Nvidia has 512, but with what clock!? If Nvidia clocks there cards to high, then power consumption will be off the charts (we won't see a x2 card), If nividia clock to low, then the hd5870 might give it a run for its money.

Now, remember one thing, ATI has an advantage here, they can price cut, and if these new Nvidia cards do kill on performance (which I think they will), ATI will release a 5890 (maybe more shaders?), and make the market hostile for Nvidia. but this is all assuming that Nvidia does release this in about 2 months (they won't dare miss christmas).

Seems like the cooking pot has just gotten very hot :D. Nvidia may just have release another 8 series, but will ATI be willing to take it up the arse this time ???
 
You guys all realize that if your monitor only runs 60hz, does not matter how many FPS you can achieve above that , cause you are only refreshing 60 times a second therefore limited to an actual real time 60FPS...
 
Isn't the 295 2x260's on one board or sandwiched hence the 576 clock speed which is the same as a 260.

not sure but a single 4870X2 Will Kill 2 x 260GTX's in SLi Mode, so it might be 280's
 
You guys all realize that if your monitor only runs 60hz, does not matter how many FPS you can achieve above that , cause you are only refreshing 60 times a second therefore limited to an actual real time 60FPS...

yes we are aware of this, but monitor sizes are reaching 30", and the standard is about 23". So we want to run our games at 60fps, and the screens res...
 
yes we are aware of this, but monitor sizes are reaching 30", and the standard is about 23". So we want to run our games at 60fps, and the screens res...

I know... Imagine running Crysis @ 60FPS at full res + 4XAA.. hmmm that would be nice. My GTX280 only averages 22FPS at max settings.
 
If I could I would get that ATI card and enjoy it 'quietly' shooting aliens in Crysis. Unfortunately my PC is complete with nvidia chipset and all. Gotta see it to shift my next upgrade plans for December.

could you please elaborate further on that? :)

I'm running an ATI 4890 with a Nforce 750 SLI chipset

:confused:
 
GT300 is all about one thing atm: Price. I have a slight feeling they're going to do a PS3 number on us here - arrogant, overpriced, overspecced, unbalanced, elitist hardware. But let's see if they prove me wrong. Thing is it doesn't matter how powerful a gpu is - if it costs too much in present market conditions it won't succeed.
 
GT300 is all about one thing atm: Price. I have a slight feeling they're going to do a PS3 number on us here - arrogant, overpriced, overspecced, unbalanced, elitist hardware. But let's see if they prove me wrong. Thing is it doesn't matter how powerful a gpu is - if it costs too much in present market conditions it won't succeed.

yeah, i don't think ATI are focusing on beating nVidia with the title of "fastest card on the planet" this time around, think they are gunning for getting an even bigger market this time round, for Extreme Bang for Buck Value.

nVidia I think got a bit bruised with the high-end 48xx series, and I think might work just on getting the fastest cards out there that they can, at whatever price.

It's cool to be able to say "we have the fastest card" but i think in the bigger picture it matters how many you sell, how much market you have, etc - and I think ATI is gonna go for that, and not the "fastest card title"

it's going to be an interesting end-year battle but I think ATI were smart to release their cards NOW, and get people to buy those at the moment, as it compares with the gtx295 yet is much cheaper...
 
GT300 is all about one thing atm: Price. I have a slight feeling they're going to do a PS3 number on us here - arrogant, overpriced, overspecced, unbalanced, elitist hardware. But let's see if they prove me wrong. Thing is it doesn't matter how powerful a gpu is - if it costs too much in present market conditions it won't succeed.

you must remember that in this current economic status, people want a graphics card that offers the best bang for the buck. So even if Nvidia's card kicks a$$ and takes names, if the price is too high, they can't really compete. Graphics card makers really make there money from the $100-$300 price bracket. anything more and anything less they don't make much money as the volume of sales is rather low. So lets wait and see what happens next :p
 
Isn't the 295 2x260's on one board or sandwiched hence the 576 clock speed which is the same as a 260.



The GTX295 has the same clock speed of a GTX260 to keep down the temps but has GTX275 shaders and memory.
 
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