Helen Zille arrested

ernstn said:
@ricard

We are not zimbabwe.

I believe everybody had high ideals for South Africa in 1994, but under Mbeki things have started taking a turn for the worst and we have to start mounting our defences to prevent the attrocities of the past with just a different master.

And it is not just me as a white man that says this, read for example how Justice Malala summed it up in the Sunday Times of today:
http://www.sundaytimes.co.za/Columnists/Article.aspx?id=559875
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Well... even Mugarbage started somewhere too! He was a western hero before he went power mad.
 
It was but a matter of time before this kind of thing started.

All I can hope is that heads roll for this and it isn't allowed to be swept under the carpet.
 
All I'd like to know is what constitutes an illegal meeting.
 
BobbyMac said:
All I'd like to know is what constitutes an illegal meeting.
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The organisers have to apply for permission to stage a march, describing the route to be taken, the times and date.
If permission is not granted for the march or gathering, it is deemed to be of an illegal nature.
All very civilised and democratic, fill in the form , get permission and go ahead, if not you are in the wrong, simple.

to all..Read between the lines and get some facts before jumping on the media hyped band wagon and falling for the same old politally motivated claptrap.

The end is nigh!! Yah right lol :rolleyes:
 
All signs are showing that South Africa is moving to the Zimbabwe direction . It is amazing how people done see it. Mind you in 1998 in Zimbabwe I didn't see where things are going.
 
A very sad day for democracy - maybe the SAPS doesn't tolerate white people being involved in any form of protest, or LEGAL march?
 
I am confused?
Perhaps The Police did not recognise that one of the 15 people within the march was none other than the Mayor of Cape Town.
Surely The Mayor has the "key" of the Town?
I sympathise with Madam Zille and her marchers whose cause is just. The Tik problem is so bad in the Western Cape I fear a whole generation of young people's lives have been wasted as a result. I cannot understand what the problem is that the Police took to arresting this small party of people?

Our own President on a tour in the Cape recently did not know what Tik was and had to be enlightened.
The Tik situation in the Cape is literally and figuratively a GRAVE one. I have heard that about 90% of users will die from it's use.
 
Nanfeishen said:
The organisers have to apply for permission to stage a march, describing the route to be taken, the times and date.
If permission is not granted for the march or gathering, it is deemed to be of an illegal nature.
All very civilised and democratic, fill in the form , get permission and go ahead, if not you are in the wrong, simple.

to all..Read between the lines and get some facts before jumping on the media hyped band wagon and falling for the same old politally motivated claptrap.

The end is nigh!! Yah right lol :rolleyes:
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Cool. Thanks. I heard on the radio this morning that a directive banning all marches and protests in the area was put in place the beginning of the year already.
 
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Well atleast we still have a fairly free media to report on these injustices.
 
I am interested to see more about this beyond the 'rightful' media exageration...

If she was arrested for an illegal gathering then I would be very very worried, however an illegal march is different. Politicians are routinely arrested for illegal marches and they are ususally done for publicity...

Hopefully she uses this new found fame to get something done about the drug problem there....
 
Well after reading a bit more it does look like the SAPS have made a monumental mistake.. From reading Helen's (one sided) view it instantly looks like the cops have been paid off to protect the drug lords. I am sure she is not going to let it go anytime soon though ;)
 
BTTB said:
I am confused?
Perhaps The Police did not recognise that one of the 15 people within the march was none other than the Mayor of Cape Town.
Surely The Mayor has the "key" of the Town?
I sympathise with Madam Zille and her marchers whose cause is just. The Tik problem is so bad in the Western Cape I fear a whole generation of young people's lives have been wasted as a result. I cannot understand what the problem is that the Police took to arresting this small party of people?

Our own President on a tour in the Cape recently did not know what Tik was and had to be enlightened.
The Tik situation in the Cape is literally and figuratively a GRAVE one. I have heard that about 90% of users will die from it's use.
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Are you saying the Mayor shouldn't be arrested if he/she does something illegal? No politician is above the law.

I'm sure that this was politically motivated, and yes, police resources could probably be better spent elsewhere. But if anyone, mayor or not, does something illegal they are subject to arrest.

Maker was bundled into a police van after Zille had knocked on an alleged drug dealer's gate. A police officer alleged that knocking on the door fell outside the conditions of the march. An irritated Zille then told police that they should arrest her too.
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This morning's News24 has more details:
DA leader and Cape Town mayor Helen Zille plans to sue the South African Police Service after being arrested in Mitchell's Plain on Sunday night.

She and protest action leader Moulana Armine Maker were arrested in terms of the Regulation of Gatherings Act.
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DA councillor Grant Pascoe told Reuters that Zille was arrested after she went to a police station to enquire about Maker's arrest. She and other marchers were given three minutes to disperse from the station because police said it was an illegal gathering, he said.
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"At 14:00 we began a legal march to smokkelhuise (places where drugs are sold). We had the necessary permission for the protest march.

"After we had visited a few smokkelhuise and handed over petitions against drug-trafficking, we arrived at another one. The police arrested a moulana (Armien Maker) without any grounds - we were on the pavement and had not trespassed on any property."

"The protesters moved to the police station, where they gathered in the parking area. I was busy with an attorney and went to the parking area to get names of witnesses who had seen the moulana being arrested.

"Then the police arrested a few of the protesters. When I went into the charge office they said I should leave because I was not under arrest. When I got outside, they told me to go back inside again, because now I was under arrest."

She was in an office with two police officers: "Ag no, a lot of worse things have happened to me. This is a farce. It was a legal protest march and no regulations were broken. It's just the next action with a political motive that follows on a political appointment as the chief of police," Zille said.

Zille planned to file counter-charges of being detained illegally, and malicious prosecution.
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I heard a report on the radio this morning where she said something like (paraphrasing) she contravened the law to make a point. Not sure that you can sue for wrongful arrest if you agree you broke the law. (But anyway, there's nothing like that in either of the reports I read this morning).

Cathryn, I agree completely that no politician is above the law - however the police should really have used a little discretion here.
 
kingrob said:
A very sad day for democracy - maybe the SAPS doesn't tolerate white people being involved in any form of protest, or LEGAL march?
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Ag sis, a white lady should know better hey?

and BTW who's got the Bananas. Our republic needs it's new national fruit.
 
Hope she spends a long time in jail, resorts to terrorist tactics and incites people to protest violently and to burn down educational institutions to qualify to become our next president. Maybe she can do all that before 2009 and win the next election. She can then fill her whole parliament with drunks and thieves also, or she could chose otherwise and save this country from the ANC.
 
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I find it really scary that a mayor must participate in an illegal march in order to raise awareness of the SAPS not doing their job.
 
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