Help STOP Illegal Infinitecall disconnections

Debbie

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My next endeavour against Telkom:

Today I went to a local Telkom ‘customer care’ branch to ask for a refund for all the times in the past 7 months that Telkom has illegally disconnected my line whilst I was on Infinitecall (former R7 call plan). I also asked for a refund for the 83 times Telkom has dropped my internet call after having been connected for only a few seconds.

I was passed through a series of people, and was continually told that the reason for my continual disconnections is because of either a) my modem; or b) my ISP.

Having failed to resolve my complaint at the local customer branch, I was passed on to the regional supervisor late this afternoon. Tomorrow he will let me know if Telkom will be crediting my account with the money they have illegally charged me in the past 7 months.

If Telkom does not credit my account, the terms of my contract with them state that I have the right to be given the phone number of the CEO’s office. (Yes, this is in the Telkom contract – see section 10 – it took me 7 months to get this contract, which Telkom denied even existed!!!!)

If my compliant is not resolved by the CEO’s office, I then have a right, as per my Telkom contract, to request that the matter be referred to arbitration with or without legal representation. I expect Telkom will continue to deny liability, in which case I will take this to arbitration. I am preparing for this event as of tonight.

I need to collect evidence that indicates that Telkom is responsible for these illegal disconnections of calls on Infinitecall. Therefore, I request help from anyone who has had similar problems with their Infinitecall service, or problems with having to dial into the internet several times before the connection doesn’t drop.

If you would like to help me in this matter, PLEASE EMAIL ME THE NAME OF YOUR SERVICE PROVIDER, AND IF POSSIBLE, THE MAKE AND MODEL OF YOUR MODEM. You can do this anonymously if you like. If you do happen to send me your name, then it will remain known only to me.

I intend to prove that these disconnections occur across every ISP and almost every modem type. This is why I want to build up a list of ISPs and modem types – to show that it is not the ISP nor the modem’s fault, but rather Telkom’s poor network condition, or Telkom deliberately disconnecting people.

PLEASE HELP IN THE CONSUMER FIGHT AGAINST TELKOM’S ILLEGAL PRACTICES!!! If this goes to arbitration, it will be a win for the consumer who will be able to cite my example in their own attempts to claim back from Telkom's illegal charges!

Debbie2
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Unfortunately not adlo. Sorry!

I got it when I went and made a huge fuss at Telkom today.

Then I made a point of pointing out a conversation I had with a telkom woman named Babsie Vermaak, who had repeatedly told me that "No such contract exists".

Yeah right. And I'm Elvis.
 
I doubt even Telkom does..

Debbie2 I will go thru the VENT and the mails and forward what I can.. this is a very good i dea, I get mails often from folks who say they get disconnected often and think its a money making scheme..
 
This is one problem i have never had. However, i have isdn128k, and i'm assuming you have dialup, which seems to be much more prone to disconnections. Quite a few people i know have mentioned this prob to me.
 
Jeez ... how lame ... don't you have a life ???.

Disconnections are a fact of life when dealing with dodgy cheap skate software Win modems running at the limit of 56K of the voice spectrum on a copper line and there is absolute nothing in Telkom's service agreements that guarrantees no disconnects.

So cheapskate ... get ADSL or iBurst or MyNoWireless if this is a problem instead of wasting our and your time.
 
Wow getting personal eh.. that's Liansky's job afaik.

Getting disconnected a few times a nite is not par for the course and shouldnt be either. Not everyone has piles of cash to buy the latest US Robotics modem and move as close to the exchange as possible to get a decent connection..

If you have ****all positive to say then dont say anything.. so my mom always says.
 
Ahh, "tibby.dude" - I have been warned not to feed your trolling.

Unfortunately, "dude" (lol at that!), I have a contract with the government that prevents me from working for money. Hence I cannot afford to buy a top of the range computer and modem. Your taxes are too busy paying for my scholarships which prevent me from earning money (BTW, thanks for that!).

Strobe: I think you are absolutely correct in saying that this is not so much a problem on ISDN. Again, that is simply more evidence that the disconnections are due to old Telkom lines - in which case Telkom is liable for the d/c. Thanks.
 
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tibby.dude said:
Jeez ... how lame ... don't you have a life ???.

Disconnections are a fact of life when dealing with dodgy cheap skate software Win modems running at the limit of 56K of the voice spectrum on a copper line and there is absolute nothing in Telkom's service agreements that guarrantees no disconnects.

So cheapskate ... get ADSL or iBurst or MyNoWireless if this is a problem instead of wasting our and your time.

Dont be a fukin troll man rather give some constructive input.
 
The quality of Telkom's analog voice services are also there responsibilty, no ?

If theirs crackling on the line etc. that cause disconnections they must carry the responsibility of fixin their ****.
 
MaD said:
Not everyone has piles of cash to buy the latest US Robotics modem and move as close to the exchange as possible to get a decent connection..

I just tend to get bloody cheesed off with the blame the evil Telkom syndrome so prevelant on myadsl.co.za when something goes wrong that is not under their control.

You know how OLD some of the wiring is in some suburbs and you are trying to get 56K out of them while running on with a software stack under Windows XP with a R80 made in China modem while playing games or MP3's at the same time ???.

Yeah it makes sense to blame Telkom.

So Debbie2 what does Telkom SLA (Service Level Agreements) say about dialup ... they make absolutely no guarrentees of any sort I reckon.
 
Vio said:
The quality of Telkom's analog voice services are also there responsibilty, no ?

Read again ... the emphasis here is VOICE and not DATA services.
What guarrantees to they make for MODEMs on voice lines ... only 9600bps I read once afaik ???.
 
Debbie2 said:
Ahh, "tibby.dude" - I have been warned not to feed your trolling.

Ahhh ... I wonder who could that be ... because I am not such a blind rabid myadsl Hellkom Telscum is evil fanboy like so many others around here :).
 
never used the service but no stranger to being dropped

this is an excellent time to raise publicity on telkom's quality of service - if you get the answers which you are going to get (?) then it may be worth considering another ASA complaint given that telkom is assaulting us with marketing about its quality in the face of VoIP liberalisation

and that contract sounds like an great read and it will be fun getting it
 
"Dude" - might I please direct your attention to Act 103 of 1996, as amended.

Furthermore, take a look at Telkom's exclusivity PSTS license agreements. Note the part about line reconditioning.

Still not happy? Alrighty then. Fight with Telkom for 7 months in order to get a copy of their standard terms and conditions. Read it (grade 5 schooling required). Take a special look at section 4. 4.1"Telkom shall maintain the service...."
4.2: THE CHARGES FOR REPAIR AND MAINTENANCE OF SERVICES ARE INCLUDED IN THE RENTAL CHRAGES FOR THE RESPECTIVE SERVICES.

Telkom is responsible for the integrity of the network, which is considered to be a national asset.

Get informed "dude". You're just embarassing yourself by your lack of knowledge here!
 
tibby.dude said:
Read again ... the emphasis here is VOICE and not DATA services.
What guarrantees to they make for MODEMs on voice lines ... only 9600bps I read once afaik ???.

They are responsible fore keeping the standard at a level where the analog data services function. :mad:
 
tibbi or not tibbi - Debbie2 please just ignore the troll

is there a summary or version of your research which you are happy to make available?..will happily share legal research
 
Debbie2 said:
"Dude" - might I please direct your attention to Act 103 of 1996, as amended.

Get informed "dude". You're just embarassing yourself by your lack of knowledge here!

Well throwing statutes around is all and well Debbie2 , but show me exactly where it states that Telkom guarrentees you an absolutely uninterrupted data service on a voice line ???.

Most of them are just legalese for a "best effort" and nothing more and nothing less.

Tell me ... is your line also disconnected when you chat for say an hour ???.

Is your modem Telkom or ICASA approved ???.
 
Vio said:
They are responsible fore keeping the standard at a level where the analog data services function. :mad:

But where is this mentioned ... afaik they only state 9600bps and nothing more.
Has anybody have any info on this ???.
 
dominic said:
tibbi or not tibbi - Debbie2 please just ignore the troll

Good old name calling ... the first resort of the ignorant and those incapable of debate.
 
tibby.dude said:
I just tend to get bloody cheesed off with the blame the evil Telkom syndrome so prevelant on myadsl.co.za when something goes wrong that is not under their control.

You know how OLD some of the wiring is in some suburbs and you are trying to get 56K out of them while running on with a software stack under Windows XP with a R80 made in China modem while playing games or MP3's at the same time ???.

Yeah it makes sense to blame Telkom.

So Debbie2 what does Telkom SLA (Service Level Agreements) say about dialup ... they make absolutely no guarrentees of any sort I reckon.
The thing is tho a *lot* of people rely on that, and Telkom has been entrusted to construct and maintain a reliable network.. if the line disconnects say 2 or more times a nite they should at least investigate it.

I used to use @lantic for my 56k and in just over a year experienced 3 disconnections, barring the slew of disconnections a few days after Hellkom first appeared in the media.. granted it was a new area - but it's still Telkom's responsibility to keep our network up to date and running smoothly. At this rate, 2 or 3 disconnections per person per night will cost them the same as ADSL.. or maybe that's what they're trying to do? They do punt it as 'always available'.. and they're phasing out InfinitCall as well..
 
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