Hermanus riots

terencej said:
Yes, conveniently when the ANC decided to say something about it. If the ANC did not say a word then News24 would still not have reported on it. They basically waited for the green light before reporting on it.
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I love how when one side doesn't agree with the actions of the media, its white monopoly capital in action and when the other other side don't agree with the media, its the ANC governments treachery and control of the media in action. Ay I love this country.
 
And yet somehow S&P has just upgraded our GDP growth forecast from 1% to 2% because of positive policy direction??? Do they not watch the same news I do?
 
Fulcrum29 said:
That is where he has one important fact wrong, read this on Khayelitsha for example, read everything.

http://www.sahistory.org.za/place/khayelitsha-township

Forceful repossession, no. Every informal (or temporary) settlement has a story prior becoming a 'township'. Many facts which are related to rapid growth.

Land grabs are ‘new’ opportunities.
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Will read and get back to you when I get a chance.
 
Cius said:
If they give these guys any kind of positive result there will be a flood of similar protests. The government has to step down hard on this, but I wonder if they can afford the votes. They have steadily for years taught the poor that the only way to get the attention of anyone is to get media camera's there via destruction and law breaking. That is when the politicians will rock up and start listening. More and more people are burning down schools, police stations, and libraries to get the attention of government on their issues. Each time government rewards this type of behaviour but giving them the attention they deserve. What they don't seem to realize is where this will lead to long term. We are getting close to the edge here, and the land issue could trigger it. If the residents of Hermanus get given land, this country will light on fire as the millions like them follow suit.

As hard as it sounds the only solution at this point is to punish them harshly for the vandalism. Say instead of building houses we will use the RDP budget for this area to rebuild what you burnt. So you all just added a few years to the odds of you getting a home. Perhaps that will turn it around.
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The ANC government has backed themselves and the country in to corner. They promised, promised and promised some more to buy short-term votes and now the people have called their bluff and want to cash-in on those promises. If they don't get it they use violence.

Free education was a foreboding of what will happen regarding land. They used violence to force government's hand in to pushing it through and now we sit with a R50 billion hole in the budget and universities that can't cover their operating costs.

They're going to get their land, at the expense of SA's stability and if they don't there is going to be mass unrest. Either way SA is in for a rocky time and all thanks to the ANC.
 
Just like with feesmustfall the rioters will be rewarded. Keep at it.
 
thestaggy said:
So CR said the land issue wouldn't cause trouble and he wants to open our borders? Meanwhile, land invasions and xenophobia in progress. Talk about a politician being out of touch with the reality of his country.
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You're deliberately misrepresenting what he said. That people are going around acting illegally is a matter than needs to be dealt with by the authorities including dealing with irresponsible pronouncements by anarchist politicians in the EFF and ANC if there any when identified.
 
SammyD said:
If you can show me a statement from the community stating that they're doing it because the EFF said so and proof of bussing by a particular party then I'll concede but remeber Malema still has an on going court case for calling for land invasions.If they're mandated by the EFF, officially or otherwise, why now? The EFF doesn't care about destabiising the WC though because they know they don't really have a chance there. The only party that would stand to benefit would be the ANC; so which is it.
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The EFF has not acknowledged anything, the DA placed the blame on them,

https://www.news24.com/SouthAfrica/...anus-thwarted-says-municipal-manager-20180323

Meanwhile, the DA in the Western Cape blamed the EFF for inciting the protests in Hermanus, and similar housing-related protests in Kleinmond earlier this week.

"According to reports, it is alleged that the Economic Freedom Fighters (EFF) are complicit in the unrest, having incited the violence which has engulfed the two towns over a human settlement dispute," said Masizole Mnqasela, a member of the provincial legislature and a DA spokesperson.

'We can't take the credit'

He said people with grievances should rather speak to their councillors about their problems, and called on the EFF's provincial and national leadership to stop its structures from inciting protests that cause damage.

EFF proportional representation councillor in Overstrand Benet Molefe said the party had nothing to do with the attempts to settle on portions of vacant land without permission, or the protests.

"Some members of the community, especially backyard dwellers, decided to grab some land in the Overstrand municipality," he said.
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Benet Molefe also said,

https://www.timeslive.co.za/news/south-africa/2018-03-26-hermanus-tense-after-land-grab-thwarted/

Economic Freedom Fighters (EFF) proportional representation councillor in Overstrand Benet Molefe told TimesLIVE that houses being built by the municipality were not sufficient to service the needs of the poor.

“The community has been in constant contact with the housing department of the municipality. The MEC of human settlement is also well aware of the current struggle of the backyard dwellers of Overstrand Municipality and the MEC had a meeting with the community without reverting back to them since last year‚” he said.

He said the EFF was “taken aback by the lack of action from the municipality and the provincial government”.

“The municipality is busy building low-cost housing‚ but the process of handing over is a close guarded secret and not transparent at all. The houses being built are not sufficient to service the needs of the poor. The EFF is known for its stance of expropriation of land without compensation and supports the occupation of land in Overstrand‚” he added.
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all this while this is looming,

https://www.huffingtonpost.co.za/20...on-to-stop-illegal-land-invasions_a_23396055/

EFF: Speed Up Expropration Without Compensation To Stop Illegal Land Invasions

The EFF says the only way to stem the tide of illegal land occupation is to ensure that land is expropriated without compensation.

The EFF in Gauteng says the only way to stop the illegal occupation of land is to speed up the expropriation of land without compensation, TimesLive reported. EFF Gauteng chair Mandisa Mashego reportedly said that the EFF will "continue to stand on the side of the people to ensure that South Africa remains a home for Africans", as long as Gauteng as over a million hectares of unaccounted-for land.

"The sooner land expropriation without compensation can be effected so ... land may be redistributed equally‚ the better.

"The EFF adopted this land occupation programme at its first 2014 National Assembly held in Bloemfontein, and it remains a permanent programme," Mashego was quoted saying.

There have been several cases of illegal land occupations in the country since Parliament passed a motion advocating land expropriation without compensation in February.

According to Eyewitness News (EWN), police arrested several people attempting to occupy a piece of land illegally in Midrand on Saturday afternoon. The group appeared to be affiliated to the EFF. Another group of people from Alexandra were reportedly stopped from occupying land in Marlboro.

Nine people were also arrested in Hermanus in Western Cape for public violence during an attempted land occupation, at which tyres were burned, computers looted from the local municipality, and a private bus reportedly set alight.

DA member of the mayoral committee for public safety in Johannesburg Michael Sun told Business Day that there was an upsurge in illegal land occupation since the motion in Parliament. He said this was happening in all metros run by the DA.
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I don't know who bussed the people in, the media houses only started to widely report on this since yesterday so perhaps they will be more investigative to come up with the answers. Take notice, the EFF cannot be directly involved, it will compromise on their elections (via IEC), however the BLF seems to get away with incitement…
 
Fulcrum29 said:
That is where he has one important fact wrong, read this on Khayelitsha for example, read everything.

http://www.sahistory.org.za/place/khayelitsha-township

Forceful repossession, no. Every informal (or temporary) settlement has a story prior becoming a 'township'. Many facts which are related to rapid growth.

Land grabs are ‘new’ opportunities.
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Something delightfully ironic here:
In 1984, the National Party’s Cape Congress resolved to drop the Coloured Labour Preference policy and conceded Khayelitsha residents to apply for 99-year leaseholds.
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No one is going to lose his or her house, no one is going to lose his or her flat, no one is going to lose his or her factory or industry. All [that] we are saying is they will not have the ownership of the land," he said.

"They will have a lease, depending on what the arrangement is, particularly as it relates to the outcome of the Constitutional review process.
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https://www.news24.com/SouthAfrica/News/eff-on-land-expropriation-no-one-will-lose-their-house-20180227

You want the simple way to make sure people remain in poverty: you deny them the ownership of the land.
 
R13... said:
You're deliberately misrepresenting what he said. That people are going around acting illegally is a matter than needs to be dealt with by the authorities including dealing with irresponsible pronouncements by anarchist politicians in the EFF and ANC if there any when identified.
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He took the populist route and sided with a high-profile agitator and advocate of land grabs. Any person with a couple of brain cells would've seen this mess coming.
 
In reality the borders are already open. They can get in through any national park illegally and easily. But yes it will be easier for more ISIS members and criminals to flood in once completely opened.
 
Cius said:
If they give these guys any kind of positive result there will be a flood of similar protests. The government has to step down hard on this, but I wonder if they can afford the votes. They have steadily for years taught the poor that the only way to get the attention of anyone is to get media camera's there via destruction and law breaking. That is when the politicians will rock up and start listening. More and more people are burning down schools, police stations, and libraries to get the attention of government on their issues. Each time government rewards this type of behaviour but giving them the attention they deserve. What they don't seem to realize is where this will lead to long term. We are getting close to the edge here, and the land issue could trigger it. If the residents of Hermanus get given land, this country will light on fire as the millions like them follow suit.

As hard as it sounds the only solution at this point is to punish them harshly for the vandalism. Say instead of building houses we will use the RDP budget for this area to rebuild what you burnt. So you all just added a few years to the odds of you getting a home. Perhaps that will turn it around.
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I believe it was Ramaphosa who called for "concomitant action" in the Marikana debacle.
 
When watching the videos filmed in Zwelihe, most residents seem to be bystanders of the chaos, many looking concerned. It just gives me the impression that there is outsider, by big numbers, influence in Zwelihe. There are also reports that that the unrest (crowd) is growing in Zwelihe whilst the hearing is taking place in town.
 
Temujin said:
Its fine, nothing to worry about, kids don't need books or edumacation anymore... everyones getting land, they'll all be rich
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These ‘protests’ are just smoke & mirrors, it is attempted at sabotaging community and service delivery, and the cloak to slit the foreigner's throat.
 
CPF update 27/03/18 at 11.30am : there is the presence of a crowd outside the Court buildings, as well as a crowd that has built up in Zwelihle through the morning. We await news of this afternoon's meeting to see what will happen next. All access to CBD is clear. Some shops seem to be closing and things are very quiet in town. Although there are rumours that SAPS have ordered shops to close, SAPS say this is not the case, it is at the discretion of the shop owners to make that decision themselves. We will keep you updated as things happen.
 
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