How the WITS student voting will work

I missed that, but he must be way behind on his curriculum with the amount of time he spends here.

Maybe he should become a plumber instead?

Can't help but LOL at how many times this cycle has played out in this thread.

1) MyBBer assumes SammyD is studying a "useless" degree and makes a snide comment

2) MyBBer gets #REKT by the fact that not only is SammyD studying in the School of Engineering, he's on the dean's list to boot

3) MyBBer tries to salvage a bruised ego by making yet another snide comment that SammyD's marks must be suffering due to extended periods on MyBB, despite having no evidence of this.

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Can't help but LOL at how many times this cycle has played out in this thread.

1) MyBBer assumes SammyD is studying a "useless" degree and makes a snide comment

2) MyBBer gets #REKT by the fact that not only is SammyD studying in the School of Engineering, he's on the dean's list to boot

3) MyBBer tries to salvage a bruised ego by making yet another snide comment that SammyD's marks must be suffering due to extended periods on MyBB, despite having no evidence of this.

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Umm, so besides the "cycle" you mention, what about the cycle of him/her not answering the difficult questions? And keeping up a blatant refusal to acknowledge facts presented to him/her? And, and, and...
 
I have noticed that a lot of pro-free education activists have a bad case of Dunning–Kruger effect.

House? Yeah I will buy it on debt.

Car? Fancy! on debt please I want the more expensive one please!

Education? Should be free and I should not pay for it. It is my right to have others pay for MY and only MY ticket to the good life.

This mind blowing cancerous attitude of the students protesting while calling friends on their mobiles phones and talking **** on twitter on how they are so poor and underprivileged.
 
I have noticed that a lot of pro-free education activists have a bad case of Dunning–Kruger effect.

House? Yeah I will buy it on debt.

Car? Fancy! on debt please I want the more expensive one please!

Education? Should be free and I should not pay for it. It is my right to have others pay for MY and only MY ticket to the good life.

This mind blowing cancerous attitude of the students protesting while calling friends on their mobiles phones and talking **** on twitter on how they are so poor and underprivileged.

You can get on twitter for a R800 investment (most campuses have WiFi). I doubt most protestors have houses or cars.

Even so, those students who are well off interact with the poor students every day and some may join protests out of sympathy. This is the same way the outsourced cleaners cause got co-opted by #feesmustfall.
 
Yes, and in order to pay for his free university education 1000 others in informal settlement don't get water or sanitation, etc.

Poverty chain intact forever.

NSFAS type solution would avoid this.

Where are you getting that assumption?

SammyD, The estimates for providing 'free' tertiary education range from 60-70 billion Rand annually. That is an estimate for those currently enrolled. It does not take into account how many students would suddenly swell the ranks if government paid for university fees.

Treasury had to fully deplete our emergency contingency reserve this year just to pay for public sector increases. Government also had to sell its whole stake in Vodacom to bail out Eskom just to keep them afloat. Could you please advise where in the budget you would cut R70 billion from to divert to students? Perhaps from our hospitals and clinics? Our public schools? Our ailing infrastructure budget, which is supposedly set to increase drastically if we implement the NDP.

Even if we cut corruption down to 0% (never going to happen with the ANC), according to the auditor general there was only about R30 billion in 'irregular expenditure' last year. So that only covers about half our estimate.

Also take into account, our economy is growing at 0%, which in real terms factoring in population growth means that we are actually shrinking. So expecting the private sector to cough up R60 billion a year, would mean all that money is further sucked out of the economy, which leads to even more unemployment and less growth and tax income.

Its all very nice that you are militant and angry and demand and demand. But you need to get real. Even if we wanted to, we could not provide free education for students. We are not Norway with 5% unemployment, and some of the highest GDP per capita in the world.

That 60-70 billion estimate assumes complete government contribution. Let's talk about what the additional burden would be put on government.

In reality universities get 29% of their income from other sources besides government subsidies and student fees. That brings that number down to between 42.6 - 49.7 billion. There's already a 25 billion contribution by the government
into higher education, so that's between 17.6 -24.7 billion needed additionally. Using previous graduate tax calcs of 19.5 billion that covers the 17.6 billion and there's a shortfall of 5.2 billion with the 24.7 billion.

Also South Africa's contribution to higher education as a percentage of GDP (0.72% for 2015-16) is lower than the rest of Africa and the rest of the world which sit at 0.78% and 0.84% respectively.

http://www.bdlive.co.za/opinion/2016/03/24/sa-has-the-means-to-make-higher-education-more-accessible


http://www.pwc.co.za/en/higher-education/Funding-public-higher-education-institutions-SA.html

http://www.dailymaverick.co.za/arti...higher-education-is-possible-in-south-africa/
 
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You can get on twitter for a R800 investment (most campuses have WiFi). I doubt most protestors have houses or cars.

Even so, those students who are well off interact with the poor students every day and some may join protests out of sympathy. This is the same way the outsourced cleaners cause got co-opted by #feesmustfall.

Thank you.
 
@sammyD if government implements a 50% subsidy,reducing study fee's to half for everyone,what would u say to that?


There's already a 40% subsidy. Bringing that to 50% won't cut fees by half. But if they did offer a subsidy that would cut fees by half, that would be fine FOR NOW. The goal is free education. Increase the subsidy year on year as they figure out how to fund it until they're completely covering the students burden.
 
Very interesting article: Important research inputs on #FeesMustFall

The most reasonable (and probably workable) solution that I have heard is that proposed by Prof Van der Berg who suggests that we should use the existing financial services infrastructure (banks) who could provide government-backed grant-loans (my terminology not SVDB’s) to students that qualify for university. It would be a grant that converts into a loan if a student successfully completes their degree and starts earning a decent income. It would still require a huge amount of government finance to provide the surety to banks for students who come from households that earn less than R500,000 (or some threshold). But, unlike with totally ‘free’ education, the students that do successfully complete their degrees would ‘pay-it-forward’ and contribute to the fund used to finance future students.
 
Uhm. You're talking about the protesters which are #feemustfall students. If you want to use the word students, fine, then it wasnt students, nick picker. They are interchangeable.I thought you'd troll harder this time.

It's actually gone no further than you accusing the movement of arson and me pointing out that none of that is verifiable because no. 1 the protests were over. no 2. Considering that tiny sections of an already tiny EFFSC were equal in number if not outnumbered by non student EFF members says the probability is of it being non students or a 50/50 chance of either.

I find every single conversation with you to be a grand waste of time. I've fed the troll, its time for it to go away.

Sorry, but I will continue to draw attention to your lies and sophistry for as long as you persist with this behaviour.
 
Very interesting article: Important research inputs on #FeesMustFall

The most reasonable (and probably workable) solution that I have heard is that proposed by Prof Van der Berg who suggests that we should use the existing financial services infrastructure (banks) who could provide government-backed grant-loans (my terminology not SVDB’s) to students that qualify for university. It would be a grant that converts into a loan if a student successfully completes their degree and starts earning a decent income. It would still require a huge amount of government finance to provide the surety to banks for students who come from households that earn less than R500,000 (or some threshold). But, unlike with totally ‘free’ education, the students that do successfully complete their degrees would ‘pay-it-forward’ and contribute to the fund used to finance future students.

But with the majority of students being likely to fail, how would that system cope? Was it not a ~60 dropout or something along those lines (posted in one of these articles forum comments)?
 
South Africa: 85% University Failure Rate

Most of these people don't belong in University. We need to drastically increase school pass requirements and university entry requirements to keep the flotsam out. I am pretty sure this will also take out a huge chunk of the 'protesters' who are in any event better suited for manual labour and things like that.
 
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