I'm not happy with the BROADBAND definition. "a minimum download speed of 256Kbps or as may be prescribed by the Authority from time to time". This says to me that the minimum bandwidth can be changed to something lower.
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I have not read the draft, but is there any news on unbundling, competition stimulation?? I do not see anything new other than to restore what we had before 1 November.
It is sad on dial up, but at least no capping and other cr@p
It is sad on dial up, but at least no capping and other cr@p
I have been a guest on the forum for quite a while so this is my first post here and I just want to say that it's about time!
Telkom have no reason to shape now that our connections are reset every six hours and that exceding your cap size is a permanent discount unless more 'data allowance' is purchased. Yet unshaped access appears to 150% more expensive. Are they afraid of the amount of money they will rake in when P2P users download 100GB. This is just more BS Telkom wants to throw at us.
Telkom and their ilk should learn to play fair because at their current rate they are gonna rule the entire continent of Africa.
The excuse that the average uses less than 3GB is a joke. Sensible people ration out their alotted 'data allowance' instead of going completely over the top. If people didn't do this then they would a bit screwed if they needed certain information desperately.
Telkom's adverts are joke. 'Download Life.' C'mon. I can't even do average broadband stuff on the internet let alone be some arb person with joystick spying on some dinosaurs as seen in some of their ads. 'Evolve with Telkom.' Yeah, OK Telkom. If we keep up their 'evolution' we'll end up as single-celled organisms in no time flat.
And what's with the line rental fee?! So what they're saying is that I have to pay the price of the line per month for nothing. How about I go and get my own cable. Or is this somehow against the Telkom Rules.
If Telkom keep complaining about how expensive it is to extend the network then I will inject them with a dose of Intelligence 500 milligrams. (Apparently, more than their collective intelligence!) They earn billions of rands of profit and yet, they can't be bothered to extend it using their own money. The goal of a business like Telkom is to provide a service to the country of South Africa. It should not involve raping the country's economy with monopolistic behaviour.
When the SNO comes online, I will move straight to them. I'm hope that Telkom will decrease their prices because it will be the final proof anyone should need that Telkom are screwing us. They've been saying that ADSL prices will decrease as the number of customers increase, but would have the idea to decrease their prices to attract more customers, which is no different from now. If that happens then I will happily march over to the SNO regardless of Telkoms prices.
As you can see I dislike Telkom with a passion. The government should realise that having a monopoly run rampant in this country is not a good thing.
Edit: If anyone is not not convinced then look here: http://www.lovecalculator.com/love.php?name1=Telkom&name2=Screwing+the+public
Telkom have no reason to shape now that our connections are reset every six hours and that exceding your cap size is a permanent discount unless more 'data allowance' is purchased. Yet unshaped access appears to 150% more expensive. Are they afraid of the amount of money they will rake in when P2P users download 100GB. This is just more BS Telkom wants to throw at us.
Telkom and their ilk should learn to play fair because at their current rate they are gonna rule the entire continent of Africa.
The excuse that the average uses less than 3GB is a joke. Sensible people ration out their alotted 'data allowance' instead of going completely over the top. If people didn't do this then they would a bit screwed if they needed certain information desperately.
Telkom's adverts are joke. 'Download Life.' C'mon. I can't even do average broadband stuff on the internet let alone be some arb person with joystick spying on some dinosaurs as seen in some of their ads. 'Evolve with Telkom.' Yeah, OK Telkom. If we keep up their 'evolution' we'll end up as single-celled organisms in no time flat.
And what's with the line rental fee?! So what they're saying is that I have to pay the price of the line per month for nothing. How about I go and get my own cable. Or is this somehow against the Telkom Rules.
If Telkom keep complaining about how expensive it is to extend the network then I will inject them with a dose of Intelligence 500 milligrams. (Apparently, more than their collective intelligence!) They earn billions of rands of profit and yet, they can't be bothered to extend it using their own money. The goal of a business like Telkom is to provide a service to the country of South Africa. It should not involve raping the country's economy with monopolistic behaviour.
When the SNO comes online, I will move straight to them. I'm hope that Telkom will decrease their prices because it will be the final proof anyone should need that Telkom are screwing us. They've been saying that ADSL prices will decrease as the number of customers increase, but would have the idea to decrease their prices to attract more customers, which is no different from now. If that happens then I will happily march over to the SNO regardless of Telkoms prices.
As you can see I dislike Telkom with a passion. The government should realise that having a monopoly run rampant in this country is not a good thing.
Edit: If anyone is not not convinced then look here: http://www.lovecalculator.com/love.php?name1=Telkom&name2=Screwing+the+public
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Exactly, here I thought ICASA have always been afraid about saying anything. This is a start.
It's a pity they didn't go into more detail about wholesale bandwidth prices for purchase by ISPs - this is one of the biggest problems in South Africa. The costs should at least be in line with the costs for bandwidth in other third world countries.
384kbps is perfectly fine for a home line and many other countries limit upload speed too but business and premium packages must be available with ample upload speed.
It's a pity they didn't go into more detail about wholesale bandwidth prices for purchase by ISPs - this is one of the biggest problems in South Africa. The costs should at least be in line with the costs for bandwidth in other third world countries.
384kbps is perfectly fine for a home line and many other countries limit upload speed too but business and premium packages must be available with ample upload speed.
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...besides your monthly phone bill - in itself no joke for any kind of serious internet.
This all makes me very sad; when I saw the news happy day - but after reading the threads and a little thought got to say this is the usual sick joke.
probably be joining you on dialup pupa - but that is impossible (no going back)...
... we really are living in a very sad place: arguing about our very real impossible costs - the state of the nation - overall?
Soon the lights will start going out - oh, but that was last friday and the friday before.
What chance do we have of getting affordable internet/communications? Approaching zero.
Because nobody who can really make a difference cares - and the rest are just in it for the money.
Sad day.
This "start" still have to be drafted into law, accepted by, the now we know corrupt, Doc. This will also be fought by TELKOM or at least delayed for as long as the SNO will be delayed to compete legally (24 Months). So do not get the hopes up yet. Joburg, Knysna and PTA municipalities will be in competition long before the SNO, if that would mean anything. Look forward to a interesting Broadband 2006 and be ready for Christmas in 2007. By then I will be shouting for tha All Blacks if I get my way, stuff this corrupt country and their blatant theft of revenue. (Now they contemplate an Aids tax to do what they need to do for some pricks sins, so they can stuff more of our revenue up their ass)
kilo39, yeah at least the monthly bill I can control. That is what Telkom wants, be in control of your bill. I downloaded more unshaped and uncapped data via satellite for the same monthly cost before I got the not so broadband ADSL, post 1 November the cost does not matter as you pay through your neck anyway. If I send my buddy a 10meg file via e-mail over ADSL it is costing me R1.00+ to send and my buddy R1.00+ to receive excluding the email body content and overheads, all this at international ZA bandwidth costs (Mail subscription excluded). Thus I do not wish to be part of the fraudulent TELKOM dream for broadband ZA as they cannot comprehend what it is all about. FREE AND CHEAP ACCESS TO BILLIONS OF INFORMATION PIECES THAT MADE THIS WORLD THAT IT IS TODAY. They deny this to the average South African. Pure greed to prove the point it took PAPI just a few weeks to fall in line; once you taste the money you cannot control the TELKOM greed, it overruns you like with PAPI. (Poor sot). Out of greed it took TELKOM 30 days to disconnect the broadband facility, I must pay for the extra month.
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kilo39, yeah at least the monthly bill I can control. That is what Telkom wants, be in control of your bill. I downloaded more unshaped and uncapped data via satellite for the same monthly cost before I got the not so broadband ADSL, post 1 November the cost does not matter as you pay through your neck anyway. If I send my buddy a 10meg file via e-mail over ADSL it is costing me R1.00+ to send and my buddy R1.00+ to receive excluding the email body content and overheads, all this at international ZA bandwidth costs (Mail subscription excluded). Thus I do not wish to be part of the fraudulent TELKOM dream for broadband ZA as they cannot comprehend what it is all about. FREE AND CHEAP ACCESS TO BILLIONS OF INFORMATION PIECES THAT MADE THIS WORLD THAT IT IS TODAY. They deny this to the average South African. Pure greed to prove the point it took PAPI just a few weeks to fall in line; once you taste the money you cannot control the TELKOM greed, it overruns you like with PAPI. (Poor sot). Out of greed it took TELKOM 30 days to disconnect the broadband facility, I must pay for the extra month.
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sunsoffun
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a post by mad....MaD said:They have access to almost 30Gbps on SAT-3, and they have capacity on SAFE as well, although I'm not sure exactly how much. Maybe we can call and ask
1 000 000 subscribers @ 1024kbps = 34Gbps at 30:1 contention
sunsoffun said:
So at 3 Million it will be 90:1 ? G@D! What a proposition to aim for. At least not all will be at full speed so 120:1 is TELKOMS aim? LOL
Probably that is what it is at the moment as they do not give the full pipe share to ADSL broadband I think
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I hope there is a change for the better but realism dictates low expectations. What does it say for the future of South Africa? We shall see.
Peace.
Peace.
(and these little smileys just don't do it)
Freshy-ZN
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Like a super tanker at sea, its a mission to set a new course but once started......
Lets give them a chance now to show they are serious.
Lets give them a chance now to show they are serious.
ernstn said:
There are moves afoot to force Telkom to allow the SNO landing rights for the SAFE cable.
Also, there are rumblings about levelling the playing fields on two fronts:
- Access to the undersea cables at cost for all network operators
- Interconnection fees at cost price.
Those two moves will, by themselves, bring down the costs for the SNO, MTN, and Cell-C. The call costs will also move downwards as a result.
kaspaas said:
We don't really need to know the costs. ICASA needs to know the costs. That's the JOB of a telecomms regulator. Do you think that the FCC doesn't know the costs of all the networks in the USA?
The problem in South Africa is that the regulator doesn't have the manpower, the funding, or the proper authority to get the job done properly.
Hopefully, all three will be rectified soon.
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jamieb said:
My thoughts exactly. Does anyone reading this know what kind of gear Telkom are using on the DSLAM side?
It will be useful to find out what the cost per port is. Obviously there is also a cost per x DSLAM ports to connect to the backbone. Again, does anyone know what gear they are using to do it?
I wonder what the once off connection fee will be?
Will they charge you say R350*12= R4200 for a 384 line?
Or will Telkom respond by just pushing the price/GB through the roof?
If they charge a resonable price for the connection fee we can all get 1Mb/s lines!!
I think Telkom will drag the implementation of these regulations to the end of time...
Will they charge you say R350*12= R4200 for a 384 line?
Or will Telkom respond by just pushing the price/GB through the roof?
If they charge a resonable price for the connection fee we can all get 1Mb/s lines!!
I think Telkom will drag the implementation of these regulations to the end of time...
Im a bit skeptical about this.
Ill believe it when I see it.
Id love to see Telkom's response to this. Prolly gonna bring in the whole, "We can't guarantee good service if we have to drop our prices," routine
Ill believe it when I see it.
Id love to see Telkom's response to this. Prolly gonna bring in the whole, "We can't guarantee good service if we have to drop our prices," routine
Vice said:
It could be changed, but given the rapid growth in the industry, it's always likely to be in the upward direction.
For example, in Korea, for any connection to be called "Broadband" it has to be at least 1Mb/s.
Most people in Korea have access to 20Mb/s broadband using ADSL 2+.
Are we going to push for a change in wording on the upload side? If they are going to call 256k broadband then I assume that the MINIMUM upload speed will be 128k.
Damn, we are such a third-world backwater.
