Important DA announcement expected

ghoti said:
Its way more detailed than that. Athol wouldnt beat Mmusi in a run off and as far as I know those two are friends and Mmusi has Athols complete support. Also, The Eastern Cape want Athol to be Federal Chairperson. So thats the position Athol wants. Also, we have being expecting to get PE in these coming up elections for a while now. Before Athol threw his name into the ring, PE was expected with a high chance to turn blue. Though saying that, having Athols name there will definitely help.



Mmusi (if he wins) will have the same power and authority Helen did. No more, no less.
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I seriously doubt that, like R13 pointed out, it looks like he will remain in Parliament as leader of the opposition, which is what Helen should have done IMO, but she had enough of a hold on the DA to displace the WC leader of the DA to claim the Premiership. I doubt Maimane would have that sort of control by 2019 to be honest, against De Lille no less?
 
sox63 said:
I seriously doubt that, like R13 pointed out, it looks like he will remain in Parliament as leader of the opposition, which is what Helen should have done IMO, but she had enough of a hold on the DA to displace the WC leader of the DA to claim the Premiership. I doubt Maimane would have that sort of control by 2019 to be honest, against De Lille no less?
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I think you misunderstand the powers that the Premier has. CoCT Mayor is a far more powerful position than that of WC Premier.

What is more powerful than both? Leader of the DA
 
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sox63 said:
I seriously doubt that,
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Irrelevant what you doubt. He will have the same authority she had. Its up to him how he uses it. The party would be fully behind him. I know this goes against your perception that he will be a puppet.

like R13 pointed out, it looks like he will remain in Parliament as leader of the opposition, which is what Helen should have done IMO, but she had enough of a hold on the DA to displace the WC leader of the DA to claim the Premiership
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There is no requirement for the leader of the party to be in parliament. If on the slight chance the DA win Gauteng I imagine Mmusi could stay there.

I doubt Maimane would have that sort of control by 2019 to be honest, against De Lille no less?
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He is highly respected in the party and everyone I speak to in the party supports his leadership. De Lille wouldnt stand a snowballs chance in hell against Mmusi. Her support is not great outside the WC.
 
Ghoti what is the DA's process for deciding premiers and mayors? Do they serve at the pleasure of the leader, federal council or per positioning on the electoral list? I know this hasn't been an issue as they aren't widely in government but if they do grow it will become a reality they must deal with.
 
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Ghoti what is the DA's process for deciding premiers and mayors? Do they serve at the pleasure of the leader, federal council or per positioning on the electoral list? I know this hasn't been an issue as they aren't widely in government but if they do grow it will become a reality they must deal with.
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I assume their own electoral college decides who they put up for a specific position. Their members in councils/legislatures then vote accordingly.
 
ghoti said:
Irrelevant what you doubt. He will have the same authority she had. Its up to him how he uses it. The party would be fully behind him. I know this goes against your perception that he will be a puppet.

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There is no requirement for the leader of the party to be in parliament. If on the slight chance the DA win Gauteng I imagine Mmusi could stay there.


He is highly respected in the party and everyone I speak to in the party supports his leadership. De Lille wouldnt stand a snowballs chance in hell against Mmusi. Her support is not great outside the WC.
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The WC by definition has a large support base considering they are the only DA run province. I'm not saying the tail wags the dog, but they can't ignore the coloured vote.
 
AntiGanda said:
The WC by definition has a large support base considering they are the only DA run province. I'm not saying the tail wags the dog, but they can't ignore the coloured vote.
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We have a large colored population in the EC as well. Theyre more likely to vote for Mmusi than De Lille. Let me put your minds at ease. De Lille is not going to be leader of the party. She wouldnt get the votes if she tried.
 
R13... said:
Ghoti what is the DA's process for deciding premiers and mayors? Do they serve at the pleasure of the leader, federal council or per positioning on the electoral list? I know this hasn't been an issue as they aren't widely in government but if they do grow it will become a reality they must deal with.
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OrbitalDawn said:
I assume their own electoral college decides who they put up for a specific position. Their members in councils/legislatures then vote accordingly.
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Yup you are right. That is decided by vote by a electoral college. Basically anyone who wants to be mayor needs to be nominated (any DA member can be nominated). Candidates then go in front of the electoral college and explain why they should have the position. They are all asked a bunch of questions. The people in the electoral college all have "scorecards" who rate the person and the answers they give. Each question will have its own scoring. Those scorecards are collected and the numbers tallied. The person who scored the highest normally gets the position. No one person really gets to make a decision. An electoral college for a councilor position will normally have about 50 people from that constituency voting.

So say I know Athol and imagine he likes me. I am here in the EC. He cant make me a councilor (though he could lobby for me). Its up to me to prove to the electoral college that I am the right person for the job. There are some cases where the electoral college will choose X amount of candidates as finalists and then choose a group of people to do a final round of interviews to vote for the person.

If you have a look at Trollip, he had to get the vote of the electoral college to contest for being mayor of PE.

Port Elizabeth – The DA Eastern Cape leader, Athol Trollip, has been selected as the party’s mayoral candidate for Nelson Mandela Bay in the upcoming 2016 local government elections.

Trollip, who was also the DA’s candidate for the position of Eastern Cape premier in the 2014 general elections, was the front runner for the position and was confirmed as the official candidate by the DA electoral college today.
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http://www.news24.com/SouthAfrica/News/Trollip-is-DA-mayoral-candidate-for-Mandela-Bay-20150413

Im not 100% sure how they would choose ministers, have asked a senior member for how that works. I just know how councilors, MPs and Mayors are selected.
 
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ghoti said:
Mmusi (if he wins)
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Sounds like all he needs do to win is throw his hat in the ring where he's likely to be the only contender (at least going by what De Lille & Athol have said). It'd probably be good if the DA can elect someone uncontested, but my opinion is Mmusi will be ANC fodder. It would have been better if HZ stuck around until after they win at least another metro or two and show their governing mettle outside wider. The NC seems like another province they can go for, not forgetting that they do have the capacity to win Tshwane as well.
 
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Sounds like all he needs do to win is throw his hat in the ring where he's likely to be the only contender (at least going by what De Lille & Athol have said). It'd probably be good if the DA can elect someone uncontested,
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I would be surprised if its uncontested.

but my opinion is Mmusi will be ANC fodder.
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Anyone in that position will be ANC fodder. Its a hot seat. The second you take it the attacks dont stop. No matter you who you are.

It would have been better if HZ stuck around until after they win at least another metro or two and show their governing mettle outside wider
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It may be, personally Im happy I will get to vote for Mmusi (Ill be part of the electoral collage at Federal Congress in May). Better a polititian leaves too early than too late :D

The NC seems like another province they can go for, not forgetting that they do have the capacity to win Tshwane as well.
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2019 those might be options.
 
AntiGanda said:
The WC by definition has a large support base considering they are the only DA run province. I'm not saying the tail wags the dog, but they can't ignore the coloured vote.
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The DA in Gauteng is bigger than the in WC
 
HZ has said her one regret is getting involved in the succession for the party leadership, but isn't it her hand that propelled Mmusi to the top? So if he gets the job she'd have managed that succession, after jettisoning Lindiwe.
 
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HZ has said her one regret is getting involved in the succession for the party leadership, but isn't it her hand that propelled Mmusi to the top?
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You can groom and lobby for a person. Thats it. However Mmusi got there under his own steam. Just being cool with Helen is not enough (though it does help). He has convinced many electoral colleges on all the different levels that he is the best man for the job.

So if he gets the job she'd have managed that succession, after jettisoning Lindiwe.
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She has no direct say in who is chosen. Its not up to her. Its up to people like me. When I have met and spoken to Mmusi thats when he earned my vote. Not because he was close to Helen, but because he has proven to me he is the best candidate. Especially with that "broken man" speech. That has to be one of the best delivered parliamentary speeches in recent history. He truly inspires me as a leader.

Dont worry about Lindiwe, she will be back in the DA one day. Even though its unlikely she would beat Mmusi head to head she still has popular support. One of the reasons I personally think she took a gap year is because of Mmusi`s rising star. She would have had to compete directly with him for the speaker position and while she might be able to beat Athol, I think she knew she couldnt beat Mmusi.

Lindiwe is super intelligent and articulate, but Mmusi can inspire better.
 
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Okay, update on how ministers are chosen.

"They go through an electoral college to be MPs. The parliamentary leader decides which portfolio to put them in."

So its like council. You go through an electoral college to become a councilor, and then the caucus leader decides which portfolios you get.
 
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ghoti said:
You can groom and lobby for a person. Thats it. However Mmusi got there under his own steam. Just being cool with Helen is not enough (though it does help). He has convinced many electoral colleges on all the different levels that he is the best man for the job.


She has no direct say in who is chosen. Its not up to her. Its up to people like me. When I have met and spoken to Mmusi thats when he earned my vote. Not because he was close to Helen, but because he has proven to me he is the best candidate. Especially with that "broken man" speech. That has to be one of the best delivered parliamentary speeches in recent history. He truly inspires me as a leader.

Dont worry about Lindiwe, she will be back in the DA one day. Even though its unlikely she would beat Mmusi head to head she still has popular support. One of the reasons I personally think she took a gap year is because of Mmusi`s rising star. She would have had to compete directly with him for the speaker position and while she might be able to beat Athol, I think she knew she couldnt beat Mmusi.

Lindiwe is super intelligent and articulate, but Mmusi can inspire better.
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The press said she had a fight with Zille.
 
AntiGanda said:
The press said she had a fight with Zille.
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Yeah, the press says a lot of things. I know Gareth Onselen likes quoting his "unnamed sources" for a lot of it.

Im sure there might have been some disagreement there, but that doesnt stop a political career like Lindiwes. She doesnt need Helen to support her and Helen cant just remove her. Athol and Helen also dont see eye to eye sometimes. But thats the thing, you still work together and build the party. Even if you dont personally get along with someone else in the party.

I dont think Lindiwe taking a gap was set off by one thing. Its was most likely a combination of things. Her disagreement with Helen, her inability to beat Mmusi and I also think another member of the Fed was playing Lindiwe up against Helen for his own agenda. That person who I wont name (as I am not 100% sure how reliable my intel is) is on his way out.

Needless to say. Athol, Lindiwe, Helen and Mmusi are all exceptional leaders. The DA will be stronger with all of them in the party.
 
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