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What happens in 15 years time when Mmusi is 50 and he realises he's hit a glass ceiling? Are you at all concerned about it?
 
[Opinion]Twenty years too late for the DA

Acknowledging that her party needs new blood, she steps down, leaving a clear succession run for its current Parliamentary leader, Mmusi Maimane. He is young, gifted and black, to borrow an old phrase - hallelujah! - and will take the DA into a glorious, non-racial future.

Except South Africa and its politics don’t work like that and Zille needs to look back into the past, not to the future, to understand why her scheme will fail.

In 1994, after our first democratic election, freshly-minted President Nelson Mandela invited then-leader of the Opposition and leader of the Democratic Party (forerunner to the DA) Tony Leon to join his Government of National Unity. Leon declined, arguing that he and his colleagues would be far more effective as a vocal, unfettered opposition than they would be if they occupied a handful of largely symbolic seats around an ANC-controlled cabinet table.

I wrote at the time that I thought Leon had made a fatal error. Our paths have crossed several times down the years since and occasionally we remind each other of that fact. Leon still adamantly believes he was right but the evidence unfolding now, with Zille’s departure and the almost certain election Maimane, reveals the depth of his misjudgement.

No, Mandela needed the political gesture to come from the DP - the party perceived to represent English-speaking business, the party funded by Anglo American and its ilk. Crudely put, he needed the Party of the Rich Whites to be seen to be on the same political side as the Party of the Poor Blacks.

The gesture didn’t happen for the reasons outlined above. The door into Mandela’s government closed quickly and Leon became, at least to his followers, a very forceful and acerbic parliamentary opponent of the ANC. In due course, he was succeeded by Helen Zille, cut apparently from the same cloth: sharp-witted, not given to suffering fools gladly and a formidable exposer of ANC wrongdoing.

But - as has been pointed out many times - to the masses who elected Mandela, Mbeki and even Zuma, the emotional symbolism of the duo looked like nothing more than two very shrill, very rich white people trying to tell black people what to do. Just like so many other shrill white people over the past 350 years. When, with characteristic political acumen, EFF leader Julius Malema, calls Zille the “White Madam”, he’s touching a very exposed political nerve. As a result of Leon’s decision, the ANC itself has become implacable in its dislike, hatred even, of the DA.

Interesting opinion by Chris Gibbons
http://www.enca.com/opinion/twenty-years-too-late-da
 
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I assume you have ambitions to be an MP. For that you have to have some level of diplomacy and be a reasonable person who considers the views of others.
 
I assume you have ambitions to be an MP. For that you have to have some level of diplomacy and be a reasonable person who considers the views of others.

Im still young to be a MP. And thankfully there are no people like you who would have a choice in whether or not I ever become an MP if I ever decide to go that route. Right now I am pretty happy with my current activities in the party.

If I ever do become an MP it will be to completely overhaul the telecoms industry. I would break Telkom into smaller competing companies, liberalize the market and make sure ICASA is transparent and accountable.
 
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Im still young to be a MP. And thankfully there are no people like you who would have a choice in whether or not I ever become an MP if I ever decide to go that route. Right now I am pretty happy with my current activities in the party.

If I ever do become an MP it will be to completely overhaul the telecoms industry. I would break Telkom into smaller competing companies, liberalize the market and make sure ICASA is transparent and accountable.

I assume you're assuming the party you'd be rep'ing would be in government at the time you're MP? Otherwise all non ruling party suggestions however sound will be ignored as happens now.
 
I assume you're assuming the party you'd be rep'ing would be in government at the time you're MP? Otherwise all non ruling party suggestions however sound will be ignored as happens now.

Yup, I think in the next 15 years the ANC will lose power and the DA will be part of a governing coalition.
 
Im still young to be a MP...

How old are you? I ask because 2 of the people initially punted for the leadership race are in their 30s, 3 if you include Makashule Gana. They had little to no experience but got MP roles
 
How old are you? I ask because 2 of the people initially punted for the leadership race are in their 30s, 3 if you include Makashule Gana. They had little to no experience but got MP roles

Im in my 30`s. In no rush to be a MP though. I dont consider myself experienced enough for the position and I would only want it if I could play a serious role in telecoms transformation. That is still a while away.
 
Im in my 30`s. In no rush to be a MP though. I dont consider myself experienced enough for the position and I would only want it if I could play a serious role in telecoms transformation. That is still a while away.

Earlier in this thread you supported Maimane to lead the DA, given his age and your opinion of experience relating to age, why do you think he should lead, with such little experience? Effectively a few years experience in the DA, let alone in Parliament?
 
Earlier in this thread you supported Maimane to lead the DA, given his age and your opinion of experience relating to age, why do you think he should lead, with such little experience? Effectively a few years experience in the DA, let alone in Parliament?
Nice tricky question.

The only truthful response is that Maimane is the 'right' colour for the electorate.
 
Earlier in this thread you supported Maimane to lead the DA, given his age and your opinion of experience relating to age, why do you think he should lead, with such little experience?
If I could speak like Maimane and inspire that type of leadership I might reconsider my options. Maimane has talent that I wish I had.

Effectively a few years experience in the DA, let alone in Parliament?

He has more than me in the DA :) Since 2010 he has being a public rep. I see he has held several good positions in the party.
 
If I could speak like Maimane and inspire that type of leadership I might reconsider my options. Maimane has talent that I wish I had.

No doubt he has potential, but my point is experience. Why him when others WAY more experienced in the party are put aside, in the case of Trollip and De Lille, they chose lower hanging fruit of municipal and provincial roles respectively.

Quite frankly one of the reasons I have held the view the DA is insincere sometimes is cases like these, normally on cases like affirmative action for example, they go on about experience should take priority. And yet when it fits the political expediency motives, experience is cast aside. Which is why I ask why you feel you are not experienced enough...
 
No doubt he has potential,

Has and is achieving it.

but my point is experience. Why him when others WAY more experienced in the party are put aside
Of course, there were also people more experienced than Helen when she took over. Experience is not enough to win. You can have all the experience in the world, but if you cant inspire people in your leadership you are not going to get far.

in the case of Trollip and De Lille, they chose lower hanging fruit of municipal and provincial roles respectively.

I didnt know De Lille was in parliament :D You dont think after Athol lost to Lindiwe (an awesome but less popular candidate than Mmusi) he might be more careful in picking his battles?

Quite frankly one of the reasons I have held the view the DA is insincere sometimes is cases like these, normally on cases like affirmative action for example, they go on about experience should take priority
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Experience is important and Mmusi has a lot of it. 5 years in public service is a lot. However, if you think experience is everything you dont really understand politics.

And yet when it fits the political expediency motives, experience is cast aside. Which is why I ask why you feel you are not experienced enough...
I havent spent years in the public light. I dont have 5 years of PR service. I dont even have 1 day of PR (public rep) service. Im not a natural public speaker and leader like Mmusi is. If I had his talent, his experience and his leadership skills I would mot likely be trying to be a MP. I dont. Im a technical person. Im in politics because of Telkom. When I have to stand up and speak to a group of 100-500 people I get horrible fear. I havent been through an election cycle as a PR rep. You cant even compare me with him without sounding silly.
 
That's unfortunately not an answer.

Yeah it is. Whats hard to understand about my answer? What type of answer are you looking for? A detailed CV? A delegate can be any counselor or member that plays an active part in building the party.

Being the leader of the DA is a glass ceiling, if you've occupied it for 15 years and still practically in your youth.
I guess Tony Leon felt the same way. The party is growing every election and I believe that in the next 15 years the DA will be in a governing coalition nationally.
 
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I havent spent years in the public light. I dont have 5 years of PR service. I dont even have 1 day of PR (public rep) service. Im not a natural public speaker and leader like Mmusi is. If I had his talent, his experience and his leadership skills I would mot likely be trying to be a MP. I dont. Im a technical person. Im in politics because of Telkom. When I have to stand up and speak to a group of 100-500 people I get horrible fear. I havent been through an election cycle as a PR rep. You cant even compare me with him without sounding silly.
So why do you dream of becoming an MP? Clearly not your role in life.
 
So why do you dream of becoming an MP? Clearly not your role in life.

Its not a dream, its a goal. You are right, this is not a role that would come easily to me. I have to work hard for it. I have to train myself regularly in public speaking (even joined toastmasters). My goal to try play a positive role in telecoms in South Africa means that I have to step out of my comfort zones and work hard to develop new skills. Achieving that goal is more important than any fear I might have of public speaking.
 
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No doubt he has potential, but my point is experience. Why him when others WAY more experienced in the party are put aside, in the case of Trollip and De Lille, they chose lower hanging fruit of municipal and provincial roles respectively.

He's obviously not the best man or woman for the job and in this case the DA is picking someone of colour to hopefully dispel the notion that they're a white party. I think they'e shooting themselves in the foot - they need to decide whether they pick the best for the job regardless of colour or admit that they're playing the racial game (which plays into the hands of the ANC). If they must pick on colour then convince De Lille to go for the job but it sounds from what ghoti is saying that the membership is bent on colour so Mmusi would win but not De Lille.
 
I don't think De Lille would stand a chance against Mmusi. It's not about race, it's about popularity (which has its pros and cons).
 
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