Internet Solutions Uncapped ADSL under fire

[afrodeity]

Calling people who use the maximum amount of bandwidth they can squeeze out of their line, abusers, is like calling somebody who shuffles all the food he can managed onto his plate in one hour at an all you can eat buffet, an abuser. What with the SORRY MISTER, NO FAT PEOPLE ALLOWED, logic?

This really smacks of hypocrisy. Uncapped, (digital rights, terms and conditions apply),

ISPs believe they have the right to pry into our email, spy on our data, block traffic to websites they don't like. They throttle legal torrents, cut bandwidth when they see you peering and obstruct communication which is an offense. According to the Constitution we have the right to communication and exchange of information.

ISPs have way too much power in this country and consumers are extremely vulnerable to the kind of abuse which IS dishes out. MWEB and Telkom are not a lot better. I can't believe we are still talking about data caps after the BIG BANG.

OR have we forgotten that SEACOM and EASSY landed?

We need an Internet Bill of Rights that protects consumers NOW..

In the old days if you caught a shopowner leaning on the scale, and cheating it was called scaling ie. theft.

Shaping = Scaling = Theft.

ZA-FREE

 

[GingerBeer]

IS just don't seem able to get their uncapped product right, which is why I moved to Mweb.

You've moved from an unshaped product to a shaped one. Is that wise?
IS allows better speeds until you download too much, whilst MWEB
doesn't allow good speeds because it is overshaped, full stop.

It's much of a muchness really.

 

[freematrix]

You can download the python script and excel files I used from here (the script outputs a csv file):
http://www.filehost.co.za/file/835-5588683304.html

I used a sample size of 100 people. I generated random numbers for daily bandwidth use according to these percentages:
Lowend: 25% 1-3GB per day
Average: 50% 3-10GB per day
Aboveavg: 20% 10-30GB per day
Abusers: 5% 30-40GB per day

........


Conclusion: if users don't use less bandwidth as the month goes on then fewer people get shaped, and the shaping 'limit' stays pretty high. However the more likely scenario is that people will adjust how much they use after experiencing how bad the shaping is, so more people are likely to be shaped as the threshold slowly drops over the course of the month.

Notes: the minimum usage was 1GB per day, shaped users had 0GB per day. Average users were between 3-10GB per day, it's probably more realistic to use 0-10GB per day. this would lower overall usage = more people getting shaped. There are no people that increase their usage throughout the month, so maybe they can balance each other out?
The rolling cap is calculated once per day; if IS is doing it more often then that would affect the lower end users more (downloaded 2GBs at 6am, turned computer off, was shaped vs 1GB at 6am, 1GB at 6pm same day, not shaped).

I tried the same models with the top 20% being shaped. It lot fewer people ended up being shaped, but I didn't account for the lower line speeds so I think it looked a little kinder for IS...

tldr: IS suck

Well done dude. You thought about this more than the whole of IS did and you were not even paid to do it

 

[milomak]

Well done dude. You thought about this more than the whole of IS did and you were not even paid to do it

except as stated, the IS policy will cap based on % of users; not usage. thus a set number of users will always be shaped with the only difference being those near the 20% mark will swap around as their usage amounts change and get them in and ou of the top 20% users.

i do agree however that because the top 20% will always be shaped; it sets a de facto cap on the product. if they start shaping as soon as possible; then the threshold will always be low regardless.

 

[Tomtomtom]

Uncapped is just a bad idea, plain and simple.

What consumers want (not the consumers on this forum, mind you, but everyone else) is enough bandwidth to get things done, without having to worry about caps. They don't want "unlimited" bandwidth. Someone needs to speak for these people, because they are the ones bearing the burden of the downsides that Uncapped implies.

 

[GingerBeer]

except as stated, the IS policy will cap based on % of users; not usage. thus a set number of users will always be shaped with the only difference being those near the 20% mark will swap around as their usage amounts change and get them in and ou of the top 20% users.

i do agree however that because the top 20% will always be shaped; it sets a de facto cap on the product. if they start shaping as soon as possible; then the threshold will always be low regardless.

I see your argument.

By the same token, if there are no users hitting the high notes,
then they won't need the 20%/50% thresholds. Or maybe the
system is clever enough to relax the restrictions if it's not
affecting performance.

 

[milomak]

Uncapped is just a bad idea, plain and simple.

What consumers want (not the consumers on this forum, mind you, but everyone else) is enough bandwidth to get things done, without having to worry about caps. They don't want "unlimited" bandwidth. Someone needs to speak for these people, because they are the ones bearing the burden of the downsides that Uncapped implies.

uncapped is not a bad idea wen implemented the way it should be. and tbh i could show you virgin uk's T&Cs and you will see they are similar. difference being that there users do 1TB with hardly an issue.

and if you are a low usage user; then you are hardly likely to be the one caught in the web.

 

[Hotmetal]

You've moved from an unshaped product to a shaped one. Is that wise?
IS allows better speeds until you download too much, whilst MWEB
doesn't allow good speeds because it is overshaped, full stop.

So the 400gig that i (and others) downloaded last month (while not really trying that hard) is on an overshaped connection? Ye, right!

 

[Rouxenator]

... MWEB doesn't allow good speeds because it is overshaped, full stop.

Ye shall be deemed heretic for laying such vile blasphemy upon the name of our only true uncapped provider - heretic I shalt chant at ye!

 

[nanonyous]

I was considering taking part in this thread, but then I read responses like #3 and #21, among others, and realised there may not be any intelligent posters in the thread.
Sorry to those of you that may be intelligent, but really, threads like this get dumbed down to the part where I'm afraid I might get infected with stupidity if I'm not careful...

 

[GingerBeer]

So the 400gig that i (and others) downloaded last month (while not really trying that hard) is on an overshaped connection? Ye, right!

Unless you compare it to an unshaped account,
how would you know.

All I know is that MWEB tried very hard to stop
us downloading when we wanted. Apart from the
very regular downtime, the shaping was excessive.

 

[Gatecrasher]

I was considering taking part in this thread, but then I read responses like #3 and #21, among others, and realised there may not be any intelligent posters in the thread.
Sorry to those of you that may be intelligent, but really, threads like this get dumbed down to the part where I'm afraid I might get infected with stupidity if I'm not careful...

Argghh! Too late.

 

[bekdik]

I was considering taking part in this thread, but then I read responses like #3 and #21, among others, and realised there may not be any intelligent posters in the thread.
Sorry to those of you that may be intelligent, but really, threads like this get dumbed down to the part where I'm afraid I might get infected with stupidity if I'm not careful...

I'm glad you are too intelligent to post to this thread.

 

[w1z4rd]

I was considering taking part in this thread, but then I read responses like #3 and #21, among others, and realised there may not be any intelligent posters in the thread.
Sorry to those of you that may be intelligent, but really, threads like this get dumbed down to the part where I'm afraid I might get infected with stupidity if I'm not careful...

A bit of a lame post, but let me try have an intelligent conversation with you anyway. What is wrong with post #3... I quoted it below. Either the original post was removed, you got the number wrong or you are just trolling dumbly, which is it?

Just to point out on the record. You didnt add anything useful in this thread, you just insulted members and pretended to be better than other people but as yet have to offer substance on the topic. Rather dont comment in this thread if you feel its too below you. Though apparently its not enough below you to insult other forumites (which is a little pathetic).

IS just don't seem able to get their uncapped product right, which is why I moved to Mweb.

^ Whats wrong with what bekdik said?

 

[Shayd]

What amazes me is those who say uncapped is a joke when clearly they aren't on an uncapped account.

 

[w1z4rd]

What amazes me is those who say uncapped is a joke when clearly they aren't on an uncapped account.

IS Uncapped is a joke. Im on it. Your point has just being blown out the water.

 

[Shayd]

No wizard not you... I agree IS uncapped is a joke. If you look back on the previous page there are guys on capped packages who are attacking uncapped when they obviously aren't using it.

 

[I am Penguin]

Yep, point in case is the Axxess rolling threshold (due to IS). I nearly signed up and searched MyBB for Axxess uncapped feedback and got the shock of my life. No IS for me it seems. No ISP for me it seems?

 

[Hotmetal]

Unless you compare it to an unshaped account,
how would you know.

I have an unshaped WebAfrica account which i alternate between.

All I know is that MWEB tried very hard to stop
us downloading when we wanted. Apart from the
very regular downtime, the shaping was excessive.

Very regular downtime, which consisted of how many times? of which how much was their fault? Of which how many ISP's were also down at the same time?
You might want to include all the facts before making random blurbs. And as for the shaping, get over it already. It's been stated numerous times that during
business hours, http, smtp ( <-- insert business protocol here) traffic get priority. At night time torrents open up and resume as normal.

 

[I am Penguin]

except as stated, the IS policy will cap based on % of users; not usage. thus a set number of users will always be shaped with the only difference being those near the 20% mark will swap around as their usage amounts change and get them in and ou of the top 20% users.

i do agree however that because the top 20% will always be shaped; it sets a de facto cap on the product. if they start shaping as soon as possible; then the threshold will always be low regardless.

Feedback shows 1-3days and you are dead in the water with Axxess Uncapped/"Unshaped". Look at the Axxess demo on their site. Its a fsucking disgrace.