iPhone 5s officially unveiled

[sand_man]

Fair enough...

 

[kalaharison]

It was one of Steve Jobs's last thoughts before he went to the walled garden in the sky.


True story.

So he didnt go downunder?

 

[falcon786]

Yea that's what got to me eventually as well. Not being able to find a single really great music player that I could sync and manage all of my content on for instance.

Damn itunes is a pain to use on windows,i delete songs on the phone and plug it in to your pc and everything syncs right back on,i don't listen to music on my pc so its really irritating!plus how on earth do you delete multiple songs from your playlist at once on the windows itunes?I seem to be not able to do it.I tried ticking the songs i want deleted then when you click delete it deletes one by one still :wtf:

 

[kalaharison]

I'm a big believer in privacy, and I don't fall for the ridiculous reasoning of "I'm not a criminal so who cares".
But, fingerprint are something that the NSA already has. There is nothing new here for them. The recent outcry is over the NSA having access to your search history, gmail, phone calls etc. That was all new and not known. Fingerprints? They've had those for ages

The issue is not whether they had it ( one set of your f-prints) for ages( which just identified you on your ID / passport ( leaving country)or when you committed theft that could identify you then, I think, the issue is that they can now build a database of all your " fingerprinted" transactions/calls/mails, to do " profiling" of a person to see if they are a " risk" to the gov. / not paying tax etc. and without you activating VIA (YOUR OWN) fingerprint all the search history/ gmail etc doesn't mean nothing because if you log into piet pompies gmail how do they know for sure if its piet pompies for real or just a fake name , but now they can ID PietPompies with a fingerprint and if that same fingerprint also logs in as koos van der merwe they will now that something is fishy, or if they want to look at your web history how will they know if its actually your history and not just someone that did a search with you password, but now they can claim that your fingerprint activated the session in which you did a web search, helping them to " know you better "

 

[JimboBob]

And reviews and benchmarks coming in. 5c is pretty much identical to the 5 as expected. 5s is crazy fast.
CPU
GPU

Pretty much the fastest mobile device on the market. It comes close to Bay Trail scores.

Was quite impressed with the review, love Anandtech's reviews! But I think he hit it on the nail in his final comments, basically the phone is AMAZING....inside. It really is, but can you market that? The biggest hurdle for Apple now is the design, sure it's tried and tested and it's premium but come on now, its got that seen one seen them all issue. Maybe Apple is leaning towards different models with the 5C release, Anand even mentions that he wouldn't be surprised if a larger iPhone was released with the current lineup.

I must say again that the internal hardware is impressive, I wasn't expecting any major hardware changes with current CPU\GPU's performing quite well but Apple has delivered with faster hardware. I don't really understand the reason behind this, maybe because i'm not a serious gamer on my phone.

I think Apple have it partly right with iOS 7, at least it's different from the previous 6 versions and obviously priority is now design, dying to know what they're going to think of for the 6 seeing that LG, Nokia, HTC and all the Chinese manufactures trying everything to differentiate themselves. And dare I say that Samsung seems to have timed their Galaxy range design change for 2014 as well...

After all of this though, I'd still buy a Nexus 5

 

[JimboBob]

duplicate?!

 

[JimboBob]

The issue is not whether they had it ( one set of your f-prints) for ages( which just identified you on your ID / passport ( leaving country)or when you committed theft that could identify you then, I think, the issue is that they can now build a database of all your " fingerprinted" transactions/calls/mails, to do " profiling" of a person to see if they are a " risk" to the gov. / not paying tax etc. and without you activating VIA (YOUR OWN) fingerprint all the search history/ gmail etc doesn't mean nothing because if you log into piet pompies gmail how do they know for sure if its piet pompies for real or just a fake name , but now they can ID PietPompies with a fingerprint and if that same fingerprint also logs in as koos van der merwe they will now that something is fishy, or if they want to look at your web history how will they know if its actually your history and not just someone that did a search with you password, but now they can claim that your fingerprint activated the session in which you did a web search, helping them to " know you better "

Agreed with some of your points BUT after reading Anand's review, the Touch ID almost seems like a halfhearted implementation, sounds like you can only unlock the device and buy music with the Touch ID, not amazing. Maybe Apple is testing the waters, would be fantastic if my finger print replaced all my passwords\pins\codes though! It's crazy when you think about how many codes you have to remember...

 

[cerebus]

Agreed with some of your points BUT after reading Anand's review, the Touch ID almost seems like a halfhearted implementation, sounds like you can only unlock the device and buy music with the Touch ID, not amazing. Maybe Apple is testing the waters, would be fantastic if my finger print replaced all my passwords\pins\codes though! It's crazy when you think about how many codes you have to remember...

The implementation of Touch ID is very deep but it's still quite initial. They put a huge amount of work into building out the securitisation and hardware of it. I'm pretty sure they'll start integrating it in a lot more of applications like Passbook, and encouraging devs to start making use of it - which is where it's going to have the real value. A lot of the stuff in the 5s like 64-bit cpu, touch id etc, don't have a fully worked out system of apps yet. It's stuff that they're looking to build out in the future.

 

[[)roi(]]

Like I say this is an area where Apple is wrong and needs to step up their ranges to accommodate people like you who just really want that bigger size and are frustrated that Apple aren't offering it. It's partly arrogance and partly because they straitjacketed themselves with the way iOS handles PPI's. The same reason they brought out the iPad Mini in 1024, because that's all iOS could manage.

Arrogance has nothing to do with this -- the larger than 4" user base is just not a big or as interesting as you think it is (only a fraction over 10%, whereas 4" devices account for around 79%)

http://developer.android.com/about/dashboards/index.html

 

[cerebus]

Arrogance has nothing to do with this -- the larger than 4" user base is just not a big or as interesting as you think it is (only a fraction over 10%, whereas 4" devices account for around 79%)

http://developer.android.com/about/dashboards/index.html

Yes but that 10% of devices are the premium end ones, the ones in the category that Apple fights for. All other phone manufacturers are using size as a point of differentiation in their most expensive phones. Next to that group of top tier 4.7-5" phones, the iPhone has the appearance of a mid-ranger even if the specs are easily comparable.

 

[Maverick Jester]

After reading Anandtech's review of the 5s, I actually am very curious to see if the A7 makes the jump the the revamped iPad Mini...

 

[cerebus]

After reading Anandtech's review of the 5s, I actually am very curious to see if the A7 makes the jump the the revamped iPad Mini...

There’s more graphics horsepower under the hood of the iPhone 5s than there is in the iPad 4. While I don’t doubt the iPad 5 will once again widen that gap, keep in mind that the iPhone 5s has less than 1/4 the number of pixels as the iPad 4. If I were a betting man, I’d say that the A7 was designed not only to drive the 5s’ 1136 × 640 display, but also a higher res panel in another device. Perhaps an iPad mini with Retina Display? There’s no solving the memory bandwidth requirements, but the A7 surely has enough compute power to get there. Not to mention that Apple hasn’t had issues in the past with delivering a SoC that wasn’t perfect for the display.

Intriguing possibility hey.

 

[falcon786]

Arrogance has nothing to do with this -- the larger than 4" user base is just not a big or as interesting as you think it is (only a fraction over 10%, whereas 4" devices account for around 79%)

http://developer.android.com/about/dashboards/index.html

Yes but that 10% of devices are the premium end ones, the ones in the category that Apple fights for. All other phone manufacturers are using size as a point of differentiation in their most expensive phones. Next to that group of top tier 4.7-5" phones, the iPhone has the appearance of a mid-ranger even if the specs are easily comparable.

Yep the 79% is because of price,the cheaper and hence more popular/common android devices are in the 79%.

 

[cerebus]

Yep the 79% is because of price,the cheaper and hence more popular/common android devices are in the 79%.

Partly that's true. Partly it's the fault of manufacturers getting stuck in an arms race where phone size and phone quality are mistakenly conflated and they've got no way of differentiating themselves except by continually one-upping screen sizes regardless of public demand.

 

[[)roi(]]

Yes but that 10% of devices are the premium end ones, the ones in the category that Apple fights for. All other phone manufacturers are using size as a point of differentiation in their most expensive phones. Next to that group of top tier 4.7-5" phones, the iPhone has the appearance of a mid-ranger even if the specs are easily comparable.

Do you have anything to support your argument?

For example:
The sale volumes of iPhones alone discount your theory around size and premium devices.

Apple has never been interested in market share (a story recounted countless times by Apple) -- they instead are happy to enjoy a market share that is appropriate for what they believe are the best devices they can produce.

Android "premium device" manufacturers are known to go for market share; proof alone by the large variety of devices they offer.

My point is that the market volumes just don't support the belief that Apple would need to make a larger phone to be successful.

Many like me are happier with a smaller phone + if I need a bigger display then there is nothing quite like an Tablet or Laptop (a phablet in that case feels like an unnecessary compromise)

 

[cerebus]

Do you have anything to support your argument?

For example:
The sale volumes of iPhones alone discount your theory around size and premium devices.

Apple doesn't offer a bigger phone so they're obviously the outlier here. In Android devices there's a strong correlation between premium phones and bigger phones. It may or may not reflect the real market appetite. But there's no way of knowing unless Apple brought out a bigger phone with similar specs to test what consumers want.

Apple has never been interested in market share (a story recounted countless times by Apple) -- they instead are happy to enjoy a market share that is appropriate for what they believe are the best devices they can produce.

Many like me are happier with a smaller phone + if I need a bigger display then there is nothing quite like an Tablet or Laptop (a phablet in that case feels like an unnecessary compromise)

I'm with you there. I even kind of prefer the 3.5" size for a phone. I had the 4.3" Xperia V and even that was too big for my taste. But I'm not everyone.

 

[Madhawk]

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[Maverick Jester]

Many like me are happier with a smaller phone + if I need a bigger display then there is nothing quite like an Tablet or Laptop (a phablet in that case feels like an unnecessary compromise)

I believe that is exactly what Apple want- for you to own both the iPhone and iPad.

 

[[)roi(]]

Apple doesn't offer a bigger phone so they're obviously the outlier here. In Android devices there's a strong correlation between premium phones and bigger phones. It may or may not reflect the real market appetite. But there's no way of knowing unless Apple brought out a bigger phone with similar specs to test what consumers want.

I'm not sure this would prove anything; how many of the phablet fans are iOS fans?

I tend to think those who like iOS would rather choose to live with a smaller form factor than with Android, and similarly for the Android fans.

I'm with you there. I even kind of prefer the 3.5" size for a phone. I had the 4.3" Xperia V and even that was too big for my taste. But I'm not everyone.

Groovy

 

[[)roi(]]

I believe that is exactly what Apple want- for you to own both the iPhone and iPad.

I guess that's one way to look at it

Another would be to say they investigated the practicality of the various use cases, and built what they believe were the most appropriate devices to support that mindset.

Either way I agree it has paid off for them.