iPhone 5s officially unveiled

Guantanamo said:
I don't get the hate for iTunes? I haven't used the windows version in a while but if it performs anything like how it does on my MBA then it it really isn't bad, in fact it is pretty simple and there isn't much you can't do with it. Everyone I know hates using Kies.

Apple will never win on MyBB. People here focus on quantitative, Apple focuses on qualitative. If they felt a 13MP camera was better than the 8MP one it has now I am pretty sure they would have put it in.
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Some people have issues with iTunes because they perceive it to be slow on Windows and kinda hard to use for certain tasks (like simply transferring a single mp3/video to play with a specific app).

Other people question the idea of making any computer software an integral part of using one's phone.

Kies is in no way a necessary part of the Samsung experience. I've been using a Samsung phone for about a month and have not even given any thought to installing it. I'm not even quite sure what it does. But as far as I know, iTunes is a requirement for certain tasks, like transferring media to one's iDevice.
 
Hamster said:
The "Apple = quality" argument is not a valid one anymore.

iTunes is just another media player - one I happen to dislike. I prefer WMP believe it or not. What irks me is that because I have an iPad I need that thing installed on my machine to interface with the laptop. I know there might be ways around it but all I really want to do is plug in my USB and copy ****.
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But you can just plug it in and copy ****. Just have to do it in iTunes, which shouldn't take much longer than just copying and dragging files.

Anyway, back on topic. What do people hate about this one? The clever flash? The Touch ID? 64 bit chip?
 
Guantanamo said:
But you can just plug it in and copy ****. Just have to do it in iTunes, which shouldn't take much longer than just copying and dragging files.
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That's the point. I don't want to have to install extra software (limited to 5 devices btw) on my machine with all its extra updater crap software.
 
as I see it:
The iPhones has never offered much in the way of value for money but they have continuously driven the move from what I would term first generation smartphones (with the e72 as the pinnacle really) to second generation smartphones which are really more of a consumer device (video over productivity). Apple specs them out and puts on beautiful software that changes the game - sometimes quite subtly - and the 5s and c taking on 64 bit processor and biometrics is in the same line. I really don't see it as a major advantage on the device in comparison to retina but it continues a line of progression which is awesomeness refined. Most of their consumer market won't buy the 5s for any improvement over the 5 they will buy it as the update on the iPhone and for the experience of the iPhone. I imagine that there is a split now on 64 bit apps over ordinary apps but it will take a while before there are 64 bit apps. The next iPad though could be interesting - biometrics on home button for multi-user and security is a wow possibility and 64 bit apps ...

My mother is a general technophobe, we have tried for years to get her to use a computer to no avail. This changed last year when I had an iPad - and I say had because she has pretty much adopted the thing. A month ago she got an iPhone on a Telkom contract - primarily because the 12 months free mobile to Telkom Mobile savings contribute to the cost of purchase (got 8ta prepaid for my brother and sister who don't have landlines and are away from home) and even though the iPad is still her device of choice (screen size) in less than a year Apple products have done miracles - my mother is now not only able to access email and facebook from wherever she is but she actually uses them - not something an Android tablet does at all. At the end of the day the premium on Apple products far exceeds the value in having a device that is used.

At the price of an iPhone, S4 or Lumia 920 buy the one that fits you; and also know that fundamentally on high end consumer devices you are as a rule over paying
 
I don't see myself changing to iPhone any time soon. The lack of expandable memory, the unchangeable keyboard and the small screen size are things I just can't move past.
 
Just a warning to all thinking the fingerprint sensor will help for theft, it just protects data.
Any iPhone that is stolen can have the lockscreen mode bypassed by booting into dfu mode and reflashing the firmware with iTunes.
 
I watched the video for both the 5C AND 5S...I feel no need to upgrade my current iPhone. The WOW effect is no more.
Add a bigger screen, 13MP Camera or something...

I couldn't help but think id wait for the iPhone 6
 
i'm more interested to see how well it's performance fairs against other smartphones currently out, and whether or not the possible price tag along with it's performance would justify an upgrade...
 
Solid "S" update. Not worth updating IMO if you're an iPhone 5 user like myself but a 4S owner would appreciate it more.

Not so sure about the iphone C. It's priced much higher than I would have expected.
 
Mike43110 said:
Just a warning to all thinking the fingerprint sensor will help for theft, it just protects data.
Any iPhone that is stolen can have the lockscreen mode bypassed by booting into dfu mode and reflashing the firmware with iTunes.
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Wrong re DFU… Theft circumvent technology is part of iOS7, which will be available on all idevices that can update to iOS7 on September 18.

Basically the iDevices will be linked to an iTunes account during initial activation; this account / password will be required for all activations including DFU recovered ones. So without a working JB and activation bypass for iOS7; theft of iDevices should ultimately become less rewarding.
 
SUPERMAN89 said:
I watched the video for both the 5C AND 5S...I feel no need to upgrade my current iPhone. The WOW effect is no more.
Add a bigger screen, 13MP Camera or something...

I couldn't help but think id wait for the iPhone 6
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Megapixels alone don't make a better camera (a bigger / improved sensor should deliver better results than a smaller sensor, even with less megapixels);

Neither is your implication that a huge screen is in demand; clearly we cannot support this with any Google statistic; Google stats show 79.6% of Android devices have screen sizes in the normal category (i.e. 4 inches)

Let's be honest all smartphones (Samsung, Apple, …) for the last few years have been adding only incremental updates; definetly no WOW factors. All smartphones are in a stagnant period (at least IMO since the arrival of the iPhone 4 and Galaxy S2).

So waiting for the iPhone 6, and expecting something to be drastically different is only going to leave you disappointed.

PS. You only need look back at the consumer device technology track record, WOW occasions are very few and far between.
 
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Let's hope the NSA has no access to that fingerprint data that will now be collected by the millions ...
 
I like this iPhone.

What will always hold me back from going back to the iPhone is its iTunes dependency. Some state that iTunes is not an issue any more but I disagree. I have three iPhones in my household now (4, 4S and 5) and one just cannot get away from iTunes. I'm not considering the jailbreak option now. Yes, the dependency is a lot less these days, but it is still there. With my Android phone (HTC One) I can drag and drop stuff across using any PC anywhere. Not so with the iPhone. Apple must get away from this. I am happy to live with the iTunes dependency on my iPad, but not with my phone that is my go-everywhere-with-me device that needs ultimate flexibility. That my iTunes files sit on my laptop which may not be with me is a problem.
 
Same iphone release ****ty hype every year, same type of discussions on this forum every year.

But this comment is something worth thinking about:
BeVonk! said:
Let's hope the NSA has no access to that fingerprint data that will now be collected by the millions ...
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If anyone has tried tying on the iPhone 5, it is a mission as the screen is too narrow. I kept pressing more than one button. But I will stick with my bigger screen thank you..
Pooky said:
Well that would suck.
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Hit the nail on the head sir!
NoFear said:
Before everyone gets straight into a hype around the great features (which is in fact just more of the same...as usual...3 years in a row from Apple), consider the following:

1. Expect to get an iPhone 5S 16 GB on high end packages only for at least 9 months after launch...because there will be a price increase on the hardware (considering its Apple, it could be a hefty 15 - 20% over the existing iPhone 5)
2. Expect at least one maintenance release before all the bugs are fixed properly (including carrier specific settings and the like...been there with an iPhone).
3. Get nothing more than a restrictive platform due to iTunes...which has been the case since iPhone 3G

Apple is missing the boat in 3 key areas:
1. Ease of use - away with iTunes...the approach has become stale over the years of iPhone
2. Enhancements are marginal rather than incremental year-on-year, so you pay more for the same year on year...what would happen if BMW kept enhancing the Shadowline 3-series from way back in the '80's competing with modern day C-class models from M-B?
3. No pluggable memory (Micro SD) upgrades, making 3 variants in on board memory of a device nothing else than a waste for the end user...leaves you with no choice other than to use iCloud to store info (at high data rates) or to backup and remove apps / info from the phone via iTunes (there we go again...iTunes)

All these reasons make me a happy Android user... way less narrow mindedness by handset manufacturers who runs the Android OS on their handsets....
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