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Bryn

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cerebus said:
- Well, I'm just not seeing a comparative level of quality coming from the iPhone going to Android. The smoothness is still not really there. The rate of updating is behind. Fonts don't render as well. But mainly the sizing to screen, particularly in games, is quite poor still. It all seems to be approximated.

- I'm not denying the OnePlus has great build quality. I'm saying it's not up to Apple's standard with the 6+. And I'd say the Note4 (not the previous Samsung phones, they were awfully constructed) is also ahead of it. For the reasons I gave above...

- Yes, the phones cost more. I'm just pointing out why they cost more. It's not that you take the same phone and slap on $500. There are internal components and build elements that are simply higher quality. I think the One is a fantastic phone, I really do. I was trying to figure out how to import one not long ago. Ok, even taking differences in construction into account, no doubt the One is higher value for money out of the box than the 6+ or the Note4 because OnePlus are willing to take a lower profit margin on it - but it is not an equally made phone, that's the only point I'm making. And it doesn't make someone a sheep to get what they perceive to be the best phone on the market and are willing to pay the premium for it.
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You may not be having a great time with Android because you're using a crap variation of Android. Android only has one real problem - manufacturer bloatware. It turns a fantastic experience into a mediocre or miserable one, and is responsible for the second biggest problem on Android: fragmentation. Updates are slow for many devices because manufacturers and/or ISP's need time to bloat each update up with their proprietary crap. You can avoid this problem by getting devices with no bloatware (like Nexus devices and the OnePlus One) or devices with minimal bloatware (like the Sony Z2). Google is well aware of the problem and is pressuring Android manufacturers hard to stop ruining the Android experience.

Having said that, a flagship Android phone with minimal to no bloatware is extremely smooth and fast. Several friends and family members are pestering me for OnePlus One invites after having played around with my phone, even the iPhone users. When Android L is released this will improve drastically, as the focus of the update is fluidity. I've seen some preview vids and I can't wait. It's a huge improvement for most devices, and even mine will benefit from the nice transition effects. I have no clue why you're having problems with fonts and size rendering for games - you can change the font and the size of the font if it's not to your liking, but I don't know what to say about the screen situation for your games because I've never heard of or encountered such a thing in my life until now.

I'm still not seeing the lack of quality in the OnePlus One. It has the Snapdragon 801, 64GB of EMMC 5.0 storage (best in class), 3GB of LP-DDR3 1866MHz RAM (also best in class), high speed global 4G/LTE support, a critically acclaimed Sony camera module with dual LED flash, a 3100mAh battery, 3 microphones to decrease background noise and increase voice quality, a high quality display with Gorilla Glass 3, very good build quality, ac wifi, all the usual movement and light sensors, NFC, Bluetooth 4.0, 4K video recording with slow motion, dual speakers, and most importantly, Cyanogenmod 11s straight out the box. The packaging of the phone was the fanciest of any product I've ever owned, and the USB cable is so upmarket it looks like an unnecessary expense tbh. Even the sim tray ejector tool comes in a little rubber pouch thing. I'm not sure where OPO skimped on quality, seeing as the main components are the same used by most other brands. Are you saying the soldering or wiring or whatever else is less than premium? OnePlus One's are produced in Oppo factories, and Oppo is a premium Chinese cellphone manufacturer. The GPS is fast and accurate, the battery life is extraordinary, the wifi works, reception is great etc. so if cheaper components are used, perhaps more brands should do it because they seem to work perfectly.

Apple's devices cost what they do because Apple charges what people are prepared to pay for them. My point though is that Android is not an inferior alternative. Even if the 6+ was significantly cheaper I'm not sure I'd buy one. The unlimited customisability of Android, the support for several app stores and Humble Bundles, the tendency to be more durable and the lower cost of entry makes it a better all-round proposition to me. To an Android user, iOS is like losing the entire user interface except for the app drawer. It's weird. The HTC One M8 is available for Android users who want a high quality metal body anyway.
 
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PostmanPot said:
Does loading Vanilla Android on a e.g. Samsung Galaxy phone keep the warranty intact?

LG, HTC, Sony?
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I've never had a phone turned away due to loading custom firmware. nor have I ever heard of anyone experience that.
 
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PostmanPot said:
Does loading Vanilla Android on a e.g. Samsung Galaxy phone keep the warranty intact?

LG, HTC, Sony?
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It depends. If you need to return your phone and it is in a usable state, you can flash stock firmware back on, reset the flash counter with Triangle Away and then remove root. It will be impossible for anyone to determine whether or not the software was ever modified.

If you can't use the phone at all, then there's a good chance that no one else can either, and you might not need to worry.

I wouldn't recommend claiming warranty support with custom firmware installed if at all avoidable. Some places might not care though, particularly if the device will be returned to you once repaired.
 
cerebus

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Bryn26 said:
You may not be having a great time with Android because you're using a crap variation of Android. Android only has one real problem - manufacturer bloatware. It turns a fantastic experience into a mediocre or miserable one, and is responsible for the second biggest problem on Android: fragmentation. Updates are slow for many devices because manufacturers and/or ISP's need time to bloat each update up with their proprietary crap. You can avoid this problem by getting devices with no bloatware (like Nexus devices and the OnePlus One) or devices with minimal bloatware (like the Sony Z2). Google is well aware of the problem and is pressuring Android manufacturers hard to stop ruining the Android experience.
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No, I'm pretty sure it's the apps. I have a fairly clean rom on the G2 and I know my stuff.

Having said that, a flagship Android phone with minimal to no bloatware is extremely smooth and fast.
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Yeah it is. It's gotten so much better in that respect. It's always what held me back from Android but they've made huge strides. It's just not in all apps that that's the case. Scrolling is still not to iOS standards for instance in quite a few of my apps if I see them side by side on my wife's 5c.

but I don't know what to say about the screen situation for your games because I've never heard of or encountered such a thing in my life until now.
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Well I'm not really asking you to say anything. It's just something I observed. There still isn't true parity between apps. It's not miles off but it's there.

I'm still not seeing the lack of quality in the OnePlus One.
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There is no lack of quality. OnePlus One is a very well made phone. All I've been saying is, the class of components and manufacturing used in the One are not equal to those in the 6+. They are however, better than a huge majority of Android phones in its class that cost much more. I'd also maintain that they're probably not equal to the Note4 or S5 or M8 or Z2. But particularly not the 6+. It's hardly a controversial point to make, is it?

Apple's devices cost what they do because Apple charges what people are prepared to pay for them. My point though is that Android is not an inferior alternative. Even if the 6+ was significantly cheaper I'm not sure I'd buy one. The unlimited customisability of Android, the support for several app stores and Humble Bundles, the tendency to be more durable and the lower cost of entry makes it a better all-round proposition to me. To an Android user, iOS is like losing the entire user interface except for the app drawer. It's weird. The HTC One M8 is available for Android users who want a high quality metal body anyway.
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That's really, really, really wonderful.
 
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What has seemingly been forgotten is that build quality is not necessarily related to materials. The OnePlus One may very well be as well built as an iPhone 6, but the materials used on the iPhone 6 are of a higher perceived quality. Metal always trumps plastic, but poorly-machined metal is something else, lest we forget the iPhone 5 scuffgate issues.

I would like to see if the iPhone 6 stacks up to the HTC One M8 in terms of overall build quality- both materially and in terms of fit and finish.
 
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Maverick Jester said:
What has seemingly been forgotten is that build quality is not necessarily related to materials. The OnePlus One may very well be as well built as an iPhone 6, but the materials used on the iPhone 6 are of a higher perceived quality. Metal always trumps plastic, but poorly-machined metal is something else, lest we forget the iPhone 5 scuffgate issues.

I would like to see if the iPhone 6 stacks up to the HTC One M8 in terms of overall build quality- both materially and in terms of fit and finish.
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Just for you.....
 
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Spizz said:
Just for you.....
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I'm not really surprised by this review, stuff always supports android. I put as much stock in this comparison as I would from a comparison from walt mossberg. They're too biased.

The fact that they have already decided to do a comparison prior to the actual release speaks loads.
 
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