iPhone 6

[jacques is hier]

I've gone a bit nuts lately and as well as just picking up a 5S for my wife from Vodacom, I've just been into Telkom and ordered another 2.

I've been getting a bit fed up of big phones recently and have had a notion to get something smaller that let's you sit down without spearing your balls. So I've ordered a 64gb 5S for R399 and a 16gb one for my daughter for R299 a month after her S3 mini shattered on the floor.

It's so much cheaper than buying them even from FNB whether I use the included minutes or not.

Yes the Telkom Mobile deal is excellent.Just a pity that the iStore is still only offering Telkom Mobile phones at the old prices.I really want that R299 extended warranty.Wondering when iStore will catch up.

 

[mercurial]

 

[Maverick Jester]

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They're comparing the price of the iPhone 6 Plus 128Gb with the OnePlus One 16Gb? Hyperbole much...

For clarity:

iPhone Plus 6 16Gb: $749
iPhone Plus 6 64Gb: $849

OnePlus One 16Gb: $299
OnePlus One 64Gb: $349

Would have proved their point a bit better.

 

[mercurial]

Still, pretty much the same price.

 

[Bryn]

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As mentioned, the storage capacities aren't right, and I see the OPO's 3GB RAM isn't mentioned. Also, the battery isn't removable, but it is a higher capacity. Otherwise it's a nice comparison. Just gives an indication as to the extent of Apple's profit margins.

/Proud OnePlus One owner

 

[cerebus]

Well the Note4 is being priced at €699, that's $900 for the base model. The OnePlus is incredibly cheap and I suspect it's because they are making practically no margin in order to get a name for themselves, and it's an open question if they can sustain that business model. Because after all.... it is a business. But the 6+ is out of my price level which is disappointing because I really like it

 

[mercurial]

Well the Note4 is being priced at €699, that's $900 for the base model. The OnePlus is incredibly cheap and I suspect it's because they are making practically no margin in order to get a name for themselves, and it's an open question if they can sustain that business model. Because after all.... it is a business. But the 6+ is out of my price level which is disappointing because I really like it

Of course they're making a profit. It doesn't cost much to make a smartphone. Apple and Samsung are just overcharging for their products became they know the sheeple will buy them.

 

[cerebus]

Of course they're making a profit. It doesn't cost much to make a smartphone. Apple and Samsung are just overcharging for their products became they know the sheeple will buy them.

To be honest, that's partly true but partly it's because those phones do cram in the top shelf specs that anyone will have - chipset, camera optics, battery life, build quality - everything in an iPhone or a Samsung phone is the best anyone can make, and you just pay more to get that tech. OnePlus One compromised in a number of ways in the build, and had practically no marketing budget backing it. Samsung also supports ADH, and Apple's after-sales service is also excellent. Those value-added factors place a significant premium on the cost of the phone. They could undoubtedly take a haircut on the prices and still make a profit, but placing a OnePlus One next to an iPhone 6+ and leaving out anything that doesn't make the One sound like an equal spec device is just not realistic.

 

[sand_man]

Not to mention resale value...

 

[Bryn]

To be honest, that's partly true but partly it's because those phones do cram in the top shelf specs that anyone will have - chipset, camera optics, battery life, build quality - everything in an iPhone or a Samsung phone is the best anyone can make, and you just pay more to get that tech. OnePlus One compromised in a number of ways in the build, and had practically no marketing budget backing it. Samsung also supports ADH, and Apple's after-sales service is also excellent. Those value-added factors place a significant premium on the cost of the phone. They could undoubtedly take a haircut on the prices and still make a profit, but placing a OnePlus One next to an iPhone 6+ and leaving out anything that doesn't make the One sound like an equal spec device is just not realistic.

The build quality of my OnePlus One is excellent. It's rock solid and the sandstone finish on the back feels great and doesn't show fingerprints.

There's nothing wrong with comparing a OPO with an iPhone 6 Plus. The only thing the iPhone has over the OPO is easier after sales support. If something happens to my phone I do have a warranty, but shipping will take a while. A tiny price to pay for a $349 superphone.

 

[PostmanPot]

There's nothing wrong with comparing a OPO with an iPhone 6 Plus.

Does it run iOS?

 

[Slootvreter]

Does it run iOS?

Does it matter that it doesn't?

 

[PostmanPot]

Does it matter that it doesn't?

It matters the most, which is the reason all comparisons, especially based on specifications, are futile and show a great lack of understanding.

 

[cerebus]

Does it matter that it doesn't?

How many phones on the market run iOS, and how many run Android? It does matter because, believe it or not, iOS apps are still better quality. Android has come on but it's still not equalised there. Maybe that's subjective but there's some validation in developer uptake, and in the way apps optimise on devices.

But if we're just talking about hardware, there still is quite a difference between a OnePlus One and an iPhone 6 Plus - or a Galaxy Note 4, for that matter.
- Build quality is going to be far higher on the 6+/Note. The 6+ is nearly 2mm thinner, the materials are going to be more premium (I know the OnePlus One has pretty great build quality for the price, but it's still not equal to the iPhone's - sorry, it just isn't. It's matte plastic vs machined aluminum). The longevity of the One is unknown as who knows what components they used on the inside? I saw a report of one melting in a back pocket the other day. What about the antennae? The radios? The audio jack? The speakers? The glass on the screen? The actuation of the buttons? Are you telling me they matched Apple's attention to detail? I doubt it.
- The optics are far superior on the Note4 and the 6. The One has a fairly middling 13mp Sony sensor while the 6/6+/Note4 are using the highest possible quality camera lens that technology can create at their size. That's a big factor for our family when we use the phone as our primary camera.
- The screen quality will be much better. Forget about the fact that it's the same resolution screen - the 6+ laminates the pixels as close to the glass as you can get it and the impression (according to Anand) is remarkable. The Note4 uses a 2k Super Amoled screen which is also ahead of anyone else. The One's screen is a pretty standard, good quality IPS display - it's nice but it's not going to melt anyone's eyeballs off.
- The chipset is newer and faster on both the Note4/6+. Early benchmarks of the A8 put it ahead of the 805, which is obviously ahead of the 801. Whether you can feel it subectively or whether you even care is another matter, but new tech costs more.
- TouchID is quite a costly little component to make. Then there's the M8 coprocessor.

 

[Slootvreter]

It matters the most, which is the reason all comparisons, especially based on specifications, are futile and show a great lack of understanding.

Ok I have been talking about phone hardware and price comparisons, where the OS would not matter.

How many phones on the market run iOS, and how many run Android? It does matter because, believe it or not, iOS apps are still better quality. Android has come on but it's still not equalised there. Maybe that's subjective but there's some validation in developer uptake, and in the way apps optimise on devices.

But if we're just talking about hardware, there still is quite a difference between a OnePlus One and an iPhone 6 Plus - or a Galaxy Note 4, for that matter.
- Build quality is going to be far higher on the 6+/Note. The 6+ is nearly 2mm thinner, the materials are going to be more premium (I know the OnePlus One has pretty great build quality for the price, but it's still not equal to the iPhone's - sorry, it just isn't. It's matte plastic vs machined aluminum). The longevity of the One is unknown as who knows what components they used on the inside? I saw a report of one melting in a back pocket the other day. What about the antennae? The radios? The audio jack? The speakers? The glass on the screen? The actuation of the buttons? Are you telling me they matched Apple's attention to detail? I doubt it.
- The optics are far superior on the Note4 and the 6. The One has a fairly middling 13mp Sony sensor while the 6/6+/Note4 are using the highest possible quality camera lens that technology can create at their size. That's a big factor for our family when we use the phone as our primary camera.
- The screen quality will be much better. Forget about the fact that it's the same resolution screen - the 6+ laminates the pixels as close to the glass as you can get it and the impression (according to Anand) is remarkable. The Note4 uses a 2k Super Amoled screen which is also ahead of anyone else. The One's screen is a pretty standard, good quality IPS display - it's nice but it's not going to melt anyone's eyeballs off.
- The chipset is newer and faster on both the Note4/6+. Early benchmarks of the A8 put it ahead of the 805, which is obviously ahead of the 801. Whether you can feel it subectively or whether you even care is another matter, but new tech costs more.
- TouchID is quite a costly little component to make. Then there's the M8 coprocessor.

Fair point

 

[Bryn]

How many phones on the market run iOS, and how many run Android? It does matter because, believe it or not, iOS apps are still better quality. Android has come on but it's still not equalised there. Maybe that's subjective but there's some validation in developer uptake, and in the way apps optimise on devices.

But if we're just talking about hardware, there still is quite a difference between a OnePlus One and an iPhone 6 Plus - or a Galaxy Note 4, for that matter.
- Build quality is going to be far higher on the 6+/Note. The 6+ is nearly 2mm thinner, the materials are going to be more premium (I know the OnePlus One has pretty great build quality for the price, but it's still not equal to the iPhone's - sorry, it just isn't. It's matte plastic vs machined aluminum). The longevity of the One is unknown as who knows what components they used on the inside? I saw a report of one melting in a back pocket the other day. What about the antennae? The radios? The audio jack? The speakers? The glass on the screen? The actuation of the buttons? Are you telling me they matched Apple's attention to detail? I doubt it.
- The optics are far superior on the Note4 and the 6. The One has a fairly middling 13mp Sony sensor while the 6/6+/Note4 are using the highest possible quality camera lens that technology can create at their size. That's a big factor for our family when we use the phone as our primary camera.
- The screen quality will be much better. Forget about the fact that it's the same resolution screen - the 6+ laminates the pixels as close to the glass as you can get it and the impression (according to Anand) is remarkable. The Note4 uses a 2k Super Amoled screen which is also ahead of anyone else. The One's screen is a pretty standard, good quality IPS display - it's nice but it's not going to melt anyone's eyeballs off.
- The chipset is newer and faster on both the Note4/6+. Early benchmarks of the A8 put it ahead of the 805, which is obviously ahead of the 801. Whether you can feel it subectively or whether you even care is another matter, but new tech costs more.
- TouchID is quite a costly little component to make. Then there's the M8 coprocessor.

- It is folly to claim that iOS apps are better than Android apps. I'm familiar with both platforms and I've noticed no particular disparity in quality. There is certainly more junkware on the Play Store, but they're very easy to avoid and you're seldom exposed to them. I read a study the other day that claimed that Android apps crash less than iOS apps, so there's that too.

- There's more to build quality than just how much metal is present. I actively avoid metal phones - they scratch easily and are more prone to damage when dropped. And the OnePlus One doesn't have good build quality for the price - it has good build quality for a phone of any price. It's miles ahead of any Samsung I've owned or used.

- The cameras are better on the 6, 6+ and Note 4, but those devices are newer by several months and cost much, much more. As a OnePlus One owner, I can confirm that the camera quality is not lacking in most lighting conditions. The OPO's Sony Exmor IMX214 camera module (with 6 physical lenses) is very competent, and the 5MP front facing camera is better than most. Why does your family use a phone as its primary camera? So are your older photos all crap quality? What happens if you're not around and photos need to be taken? Photos are a big deal in my family, and thus we use a real camera.

- No screen is going to melt eyeballs off. You still don't give the OPO enough credit though. The 1080p IPS display uses Touch On Lens technology to enhance responsiveness, has 178 degree visibility, excellent colour reproduction (the blacks are noticeably better than even the AMOLED display my S3 had) and the pixel density is high enough that all these factors make it a screen beyond criticism for pretty much any user.

- The Snapdragon 801 is a beastly processor, and in real world usage certainly compares to any other phone.

- You're forgetting the main criticism of the iPhone 6/6+ when compared to the OPO, and that's the price. A 64GB iPhone 6+ is $849, and a 64GB OnePlus One is $349. That's nearly 2.5 times the price. I don't know about you, but I'd rather have two OnePlus One's than a single iPhone 6+ and give the second one to a family member. The OPO has 90+% of the 6+'s functionality, and when considering it's price, blows the iPhone 6+ out the water as a product.

- Your argument is like claiming that a Ferrari Berlinetta is better than a Nissan GT-R. The Ferrari costs $330k and the Nissan $100k, whilst performance is nearly identical. If you can afford the more expensive option then good for you, but that doesn't mean you've made the smarter choice.

 

[mercurial]

Give that man a Bells.

 

[cerebus]

/snip

- Well, I'm just not seeing a comparative level of quality coming from the iPhone going to Android. The smoothness is still not really there. The rate of updating is behind. Fonts don't render as well. But mainly the sizing to screen, particularly in games, is quite poor still. It all seems to be approximated.

- I'm not denying the OnePlus has great build quality. I'm saying it's not up to Apple's standard with the 6+. And I'd say the Note4 (not the previous Samsung phones, they were awfully constructed) is also ahead of it. For the reasons I gave above...

- Yes, the phones cost more. I'm just pointing out why they cost more. It's not that you take the same phone and slap on $500. There are internal components and build elements that are simply higher quality. I think the One is a fantastic phone, I really do. I was trying to figure out how to import one not long ago. Ok, even taking differences in construction into account, no doubt the One is higher value for money out of the box than the 6+ or the Note4 because OnePlus are willing to take a lower profit margin on it - but it is not an equally made phone, that's the only point I'm making. And it doesn't make someone a sheep to get what they perceive to be the best phone on the market and are willing to pay the premium for it.

 

[cerebus]

Eh did it get erased? K...

 

[PostmanPot]

Eh did it get erased? K...

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