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apple is for people that cant handle the freedom a non apple device gives them,

it confuses them and causes them to break the device becaus they dont read the screen and press the wrong buttons.


apple just takes the choice away and forces their methods on their users. this makes everything easier for the marketing tycoon. keep everyone the same, goood sheep.


show an apple user what you are doing and they will say but they can do that but its simpler and easier, then you show them more options to that action and they pull a face and ask what for!? they say it becomes confusing when there are too many options. then when apple come out with the same feature 2 years later and call it something different they all praise and sing and dance, waiting hours for old tech.

 

[HavocXphere]

Might get me one of these. How much will they be (cash)?

Corporate software seems to support it better than the androids.

How well does a gmail account work on an iDevice?

 

[Spizz]

apple is for people that cant handle the freedom a non apple device gives them,

it confuses them and causes them to break the device becaus they dont read the screen and press the wrong buttons.


apple just takes the choice away and forces their methods on their users. this makes everything easier for the marketing tycoon. keep everyone the same, goood sheep.


show an apple user what you are doing and they will say but they can do that but its simpler and easier, then you show them more options to that action and they pull a face and ask what for!? they say it becomes confusing when there are too many options. then when apple come out with the same feature 2 years later and call it something different they all praise and sing and dance, waiting hours for old tech.

Lol. How deluded are you? I've had a Galaxy S2, S3, S4, S5, Note, Nexus 4, Nexus 5, Moto G running a variation of stock, custom ROMs, custom launchers and custom kernels.

It was fun for a year or two loading the latest CM nightly or tweaking Franco's latest release, but now I simply can't be bothered tweaking kernels, uninstalling apps and constantly checking stats to find out why my battery is draining 15% over night.

I now have an iPhone 6s and enjoy using that instead. The lightweight and smooth OS married to the hardware makes it a bit of a pleasure after years of trying to fit 2 pounds of sugar into a 1 pound bag.

Each to their own I guess, but thinking you are some kind of cell phone superstar because you can be bothered making your OS run nicer and with less bloat than it shipped is actually pretty pathetic.

 

[PostmanPot]

Might get me one of these. How much will they be (cash)?

Corporate software seems to support it better than the androids.

How well does a gmail account work on an iDevice?

I use Gmail exclusively. Love the native iPhone app. Plenty others too such Gmail app, Outlook app, Boxer... Dozens of others.

 

[DominionZA]

Lol. How deluded are you? I've had a Galaxy S2, S3, S4, S5, Note, Nexus 4, Nexus 5, Moto G running a variation of stock, custom ROMs, custom launchers and custom kernels.

It was fun for a year or two loading the latest CM nightly or tweaking Franco's latest release, but now I simply can't be bothered tweaking kernels, uninstalling apps and constantly checking stats to find out why my battery is draining 15% over night.

I now have an iPhone 6s and enjoy using that instead. The lightweight and smooth OS married to the hardware makes it a bit of a pleasure after years of trying to fit 2 pounds of sugar into a 1 pound bag.

Each to their own I guess, but thinking you are some kind of cell phone superstar because you can be bothered making your OS run nicer and with less bloat than it shipped is actually pretty pathetic.

Used to be in the same boat. In fact I was a flashaholic. Loved it for a few years, but it became boring and tedious over time for the same reasons you mentioned (battery checking, app maintenance, etc...).
Tried iOS, but not for me. My wife too. Made me get rid of the 5S I got her at the time - within 24 hours of giving it to her.

Running stock Android now. No flashing, rooting, etc... Out the box as intended. Experiencing the same as you are now experiencing with iOS. Smooth, solid and intuitive.

To me, if comparing an iPhone with a high end Android device (not some honky chonk which will reduce the experience), it comes down to personal preference. Both camps are good camps to be in, depending what you are in to.

As for the copying of each others features, who cares. Us as consumers benefit no matter who is copying / enhancing who.

 

[PostmanPot]

Used to be in the same boat. In fact I was a flashaholic. Loved it for a few years, but it became boring and tedious over time for the same reasons you mentioned (battery checking, app maintenance, etc...).
Tried iOS, but not for me. My wife too. Made me get rid of the 5S I got her at the time - within 24 hours of giving it to her.

Running stock Android now. No flashing, rooting, etc... Out the box as intended. Experiencing the same as you are now experiencing with iOS. Smooth, solid and intuitive.

To me, if comparing an iPhone with a high end Android device (not some honky chonk which will reduce the experience), it comes down to personal preference. Both camps are good camps to be in, depending what you are in to.

As for the copying of each others features, who cares. Us as consumers benefit no matter who is copying / enhancing who.

You got a Nexus if you're running stock Android?

Why do Android flagships tend to not be buttery smooth out of the box? For example, using a Samsung S6 is a nightmare in terms of lag, scrolling smoothness, etc. Granted, much better than they used to be. People who experience these de facto problems are those who form the bulk of the Android opinion.

I also hear complaints all the time about how they slow down after not much time. iOS is always smooth and lag-free, and even after years of the same installation, does not slow down. It is far more refined and pleasing.

 

[DominionZA]

You got a Nexus if you're running stock Android?

Why do Android flagships tend to not be buttery smooth out of the box? For example, using a Samsung S6 is a nightmare in terms of lag, scrolling smoothness, etc. Granted, much better than they used to be. People who experience these de facto problems are those who form the bulk of the Android opinion.

I also hear complaints all the time about how they slow down after not much time. iOS is always smooth and lag-free, and even after years of the same installation, does not slow down. It is far more refined and pleasing.

Sorry if I was not clear. By stock, I meant stock as OEM intended. Not Android its-self. But yes, on a Nexus 6 now.

I have had a few LG's. G2, then G3, and now on the Nexus 6. Experience was the same for all.
My wife has the G4, but I skipped that for a bit of a change. My get the G5 when it comes. Will see... The LG's and Nexus have all been good to me. Very smooth with no issues at all. Also no slowdown over time. Very different to the Sammy experience I had. Samsung I think have a lot of extra bloat on top of the OS, compared to LG.
I did find when I used Sammy's that they required all sorts of tweaking. Never had one that was buttery smooth out the box. Not sure how the latest models are.
LG have come a long long way with their devices, and IMO they match up with the Nexus experience. My G3 actually sometimes got Android updates before Nexus devices themselves. Very impressive.

 

[whatwhat]

You got a Nexus if you're running stock Android?

Why do Android flagships tend to not be buttery smooth out of the box? For example, using a Samsung S6 is a nightmare in terms of lag, scrolling smoothness, etc. Granted, much better than they used to be. People who experience these de facto problems are those who form the bulk of the Android opinion.

I also hear complaints all the time about how they slow down after not much time. iOS is always smooth and lag-free, and even after years of the same installation, does not slow down. It is far more refined and pleasing.

Stock Android is fine, there is no major issues with smoothness. The problem with Android in the past was the graphics pipeline, but most of that was addressed in Project Butter around 4.1 or 4.2.

Also, one cannot look at a Samsung and say that is "Android" - sure the base of it is Android, but Samsung has added so much on top of it with their TouchWiz customization it's hardly representative. Installing CyanogenMod is a chalk and cheese difference, but some people do prefer the extra UI and widgets, Samsung's code is just crap. You are also further limited by the crap that carriers add (MTN, Vodacom, etc). and that is even worse.

In Samsung's defense they do monthly releases where they do bugfixes (http://www.sammobile.com/firmwares/ where you can see every month a new build is out), however most phones don't get it due to the carriers not bothering to update and release. It's one thing Apple got right from the start and that is to leave incompetent people out of your mobile OS. Windows has the same positive thing going for it at the moment.

The current breed of Android phones are good, a lot of people don't even know that the Huawei Mate S was announced with 3D Touch before the iPhone 6S (http://consumer.huawei.com/minisite/worldwide/mateS/touch.htm). It's just a pity that most people just go Samsung and get an experience that isn't as good as it should be.

 

[PostmanPot]

The current breed of Android phones are good, a lot of people don't even know that the Huawei Mate S was announced with 3D Touch before the iPhone 6S (http://consumer.huawei.com/minisite/worldwide/mateS/touch.htm). It's just a pity that most people just go Samsung and get an experience that isn't as good as it should be.

It really doesn't seem to work well though.

You have an iPhone 6s, right? So you know how well it works.

Which is why I come back to my earlier point, and Mike's. I couldn't care less who brings out what first, it's all about implementing it in the best way possible, and this is where Apple consistently wins.

 

[Spizz]

Used to be in the same boat. In fact I was a flashaholic. Loved it for a few years, but it became boring and tedious over time for the same reasons you mentioned (battery checking, app maintenance, etc...).
Tried iOS, but not for me. My wife too. Made me get rid of the 5S I got her at the time - within 24 hours of giving it to her.

Running stock Android now. No flashing, rooting, etc... Out the box as intended. Experiencing the same as you are now experiencing with iOS. Smooth, solid and intuitive.

To me, if comparing an iPhone with a high end Android device (not some honky chonk which will reduce the experience), it comes down to personal preference. Both camps are good camps to be in, depending what you are in to.

As for the copying of each others features, who cares. Us as consumers benefit no matter who is copying / enhancing who.

I had the opposite situation with my wife. She was clinging onto her iPhone 4 for dear life and I bought her a Galaxy S4 to wean her off of it. She struggled for a couple of months and in the end she nearly gooied that thing through the window. So I got her an iPhone 5s and she's happy as larry again

It's just what you are used to I guess. Some friends and colleagues have Edges and One Plus etc and normally I'd be itching for a new phone after a few months of owning anything, but since I sold my Z3 in September, I've no desire to change from the 6s (yet )

 

[whatwhat]

It really doesn't seem to work well though.

You have an iPhone 6s, right? So you know how well it works.

Which is why I come back to my earlier point, and Mike's. I couldn't care less who brings out what first, it's all about implementing it in the best way possible, and this is where Apple consistently wins.

I have a lot of devices - iPhone 6S, Lumia 640 and 950, Nexus 6P and some Samsungs S4 and S6 edge. Every mobile OS has good things and bad things about them, and some phones have better hardware than others.

It's really hard to declare one as the best, it's extremely subjective. For most people the phones cost a lot of money, I mean 10-20K on a device (either outright or over 2 years) is a large expense. So I understand that people will get defensive on their choice as they don't want to be seen to have wasted money or made the wrong choice.

But like religion, one doesn't have to defend it so vehemently. You are just going to get angry and it's hard to get someone to see your viewpoint if they haven't used that device or have your requirements.

 

[bwana]

How well does a gmail account work on an iDevice?

Pretty poorly. If you want push notifications google forces you to use their gmail app or pay to add Exchange support to your account.

 

[PostmanPot]

I have a lot of devices - iPhone 6S, Lumia 640 and 950, Nexus 6P and some Samsungs S4 and S6 edge. Every mobile OS has good things and bad things about them, and some phones have better hardware than others.

It's really hard to declare one as the best, it's extremely subjective. For most people the phones cost a lot of money, I mean 10-20K on a device (either outright or over 2 years) is a large expense. So I understand that people will get defensive on their choice as they don't want to be seen to have wasted money or made the wrong choice.

But like religion, one doesn't have to defend it so vehemently. You are just going to get angry and it's hard to get someone to see your viewpoint if they haven't used that device or have your requirements.

Defense is usually the reaction when attacked. Case in point mostly Android users criticising anything Apple at any opportunity just like in this thread and all others. It always comes down to people supposedly being sucked in by marketing, rolling with the sheep, buying old tech, or being too thick to know better. Yet a significant portion of contributors to society, particularly the high-end of the market who are well educated, who certainly aren't stupid, tend to go Apple more often than not. I do not think that this segment of the population are dumb, and I don't understand why many particularly Android users feel this way and a superiority complex, or feel the need to attack. I don't understand why you do it either. Can they not just be content like Apple users and stick to their own devices without shoving their hatred down everyone's throats?

 

[FiestaST]

For me all the "cool" Android guys...you know the people who think they were the **** in school; think it's about raw specs...far from it.

It's about usability & implementation.

Case in point of Huawei's Force Touch (relative garbage)

VS

Apple's 3D Touch (amazingly useful once you use/adapt to it)

 

[whatwhat]

Defense is usually the reaction when attacked. Case in point mostly Android users criticising anything Apple at any opportunity just like in this thread and all others. It always comes down to people supposedly being sucked in by marketing, rolling with the sheep, buying old tech, or being too thick to know better. Yet a significant portion of contributors to society, particularly the high-end of the market who are well educated, who certainly aren't stupid, tend to go Apple more often than not. I do not think that this segment of the population are dumb, and I don't understand why many particularly Android users feel this way and a superiority complex, or feel the need to attack. I don't understand why you do it either. Can they not just be content like Apple users and stick to their own devices without shoving their hatred down everyone's throats?

I work with a lot of rich people on a regular basis, and they don't really give a damn about the name on their phone or devices.
When was the last time you heard Mark Shuttleworth or Elon Musk's phone preference? They don't really care, a phone is just a tool.

It's usually the lower or middle class, that now suddenly managed to catch up the Jones family that are vocal about their achievement. Usually to try and create the impression that they are now of higher stature. When you are in the top already, there is no where to go so there is no reason to brag about anything.

And I mean really. It's a phone. Impress someone by going and helping out at a shelter, or doing community work, or go invent something that makes the world a better place.

 

[skeptic_SA]

I work with a lot of rich people on a regular basis, and they don't really give a damn about the name on their phone or devices.
When was the last time you heard Mark Shuttleworth or Elon Musk's phone preference? They don't really care, a phone is just a tool.

It's usually the lower or middle class, that now suddenly managed to catch up the Jones family that are vocal about their achievement. Usually to try and create the impression that they are now of higher stature. When you are in the top already, there is no where to go so there is no reason to brag about anything.

And I mean really. It's a phone. Impress someone by going and helping out at a shelter, or doing community work, or go invent something that makes the world a better place.

/slow clap

 

[PostmanPot]

I work with a lot of rich people on a regular basis, and they don't really give a damn about the name on their phone or devices.
When was the last time you heard Mark Shuttleworth or Elon Musk's phone preference? They don't really care, a phone is just a tool.

It's usually the lower or middle class, that now suddenly managed to catch up the Jones family that are vocal about their achievement. Usually to try and create the impression that they are now of higher stature. When you are in the top already, there is no where to go so there is no reason to brag about anything.

And I mean really. It's a phone. Impress someone by going and helping out at a shelter, or doing community work, or go invent something that makes the world a better place.

I have no idea what you're on about or referencing. Obviously there are many people who don't care and aren't vocal, the point is that they choose to use the things, and that is what's observed.

 

[whatwhat]

For me all the "cool" Android guys...you know the people who think they were the **** in school; think it's about raw specs...far from it.

It's about usability & implementation.

Case in point of Huawei's Force Touch (relative garbage)

VS

Apple's 3D Touch (amazingly useful once you use/adapt to it)

Please tell me about your experience with the Huawei phone, how long did you use it for?

 

[FiestaST]

I have not used Huawai Mate S top line phone; only the 128gb model gets the feature btw.

I played with the 64gb non-Force Touch model & it's a well built phone.

My experience of its Force Touch implementation is down to many tech reviews & vids.

I have a 6s Plus & use 3D Touch extensively so can comment on its usefulness.

 

[whatwhat]

I have no idea what you're on about or referencing. Obviously there are many people who don't care and aren't vocal, the point is that they choose to use the things, and that is what's observed.

But you and FiestaST care, as you are exceptionally vocal to defending anything Apple. So what if someone differs from your opinion?