IS News Server down?

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Paul_S said:
Well it all depends on how the IS news servers are run and maintained.

The beauty about the news servers is that the more users there are the more cached content gets downloaded which means that IS start to score the more users there are.
For example instead of 10 people downloading a TV episode they could have 100 people downloading the episode but the episode only needs to be pulled from an international server once. So now per user they're using less international bandwidth (which is expensive) and more local bandwidth (which is cheap).
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Reality check - the more people who hit a server the slower it gets - it doesnt make a bit of difference if the file is cached or not. This isnt like torrents where the load is spread over a huge network its a few servers struggling to cope.

Perhaps they are funnelling money back into the servers but if the rise in popularity is meteoritic then it's going to take time - advertising is going to exasperate the situation. Its not as if they have an infinite supply of local bandwidth either.

EDIT - is anyone under the illusion that the news servers are a priority for IS? :confused:
 
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Ye, i think that the more people using them the better.. This will force them to upgrade them... If they dont they will loose a hell of a lot of clients.....
 
lots of users is good for IS's international bandwidth cost, which should motivate them to keep the news servers up to a decent standard.

however, a lot of people joining IS now are doing so solely to use the news server, which means they have no impact internationally either way - they're only stuffing up the loop from IS to customers.
 
Highflyer_GP said:
Paul_S I know what caching is and no offense but that makes no sense. It may help if the file was cached, but what's the point when there's 30,000 people simultaneously connected to the servers, leaving no open connections for others (who actually made an effort to learn about usenet) to use. This is how congestion is caused.
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What I meant is that they could upgrade their servers or add new ones with the money they make off the accounts.
If 2 servers is only good for 5000 users then maybe they need to have 12 load balanced servers for 30000 users.
That's why I said it all depends on how they maintain and run their hardware (including adding new servers).

Also the news servers are not the core focus of IS accounts - if that was the case then they would advertise it.
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Agreed. However they do mention how to use Usenet in their FAQ.

So if you want to close your account because you are unable to leech at speeds greater than 2KB/s then go ahead, go leech off SAIX's servers. At the end of the day everybody keeping this thread alive is responsible for the crap speeds that they complain about in this very thread.
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I'll keep helping others join until the speeds are constantly below 7KB/sec - then I'll switch to a local DC++ network. :D
If you don't like that then tough - go leech somewhere else but you can't expect people to stop being helpful because of your own interests at stake.
 
Paul_S said:
I'll keep helping others join until the speeds are constantly below 7KB/sec - then I'll switch to a local DC++ network. :D
If you don't like that then tough - go leech somewhere else but you can't expect people to stop being helpful because of your own interests at stake.
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His own interests? Have you forgotten about all the other people using the service right here and now? A slower service effects everyone.

You believe that IS wants to improve the service so at least give them a chance to rectify things.
 
killadoob said:
brenden dude why not just leave this forum man, your way to cool for us computer geeks and you get laid more

we dont go into screw the world, we go into screw ppl like you who labels us geeks but then come to us for help

if your so clever then go do this kuk yourself and stop chatting here

L put that on your forehead

_I_
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If the shoe fits, wear it. If you're one of the guys (and by God it certainly seems that way) with the interpersonal skills of a rock, good for you. And you labeled yourself a Geek, not me.

I have many "geeky" friends; however, they notably aren't as great in communicating as you are. If you've been part of ninja central you'll know how some of those guys go bonkers over the little "power" they now have as admins. It's way sad, almost in the same class as bouncers at clubs. Almost in the same class as guys becoming superman when they get onto message boards...

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Quoted Paul_S
"If you don't like that then tough - go leech somewhere else but you can't expect people to stop being helpful because of your own interests at stake."

That's well said...
 
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bwana v.21 said:
His own interests? Have you forgotten about all the other people using the service right here and now? A slower service effects everyone.
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It affects me too but I like sharing stuff ... even if it's some of my connection speed. :p

You believe that IS wants to improve the service so at least give them a chance to rectify things.
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They've had a couple of months - it doesn't take more than a couple of weeks to set up new servers let alone upgrade or fix old ones.
 
Brenden_E said:
...If you've been part of ninja central you'll know how some of those guys go bonkers over the little "power" they now have as admins. It's way sad, almost in the same class as bouncers at clubs. Almost in the same class as guys becoming superman when they get onto message boards...
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There's the irony - torrent trackers like ninjawhatever would actually benefit from popularity.
Paul_S said:
It affects me too but I like sharing stuff ... even if it's some of my connection speed. :p
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What stuff do you share via the news servers? :confused:
 
Brenden_E said:
Computer experts tend to go into "screw the world, we're all cool by ourselves" mode.
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This is generally true in my experience! The reason is simple. IT folks know something the rest don't. They come across as being all protective of their domain and don't want it "stolen". When reasonable people know nothing about something they are required to work with they get faced with ridicule and sabotage instead of help and complete information!

http://mybroadband.co.za/vb/showthread.php?t=53210&highlight=BOFH

They don't seem to understand that the more that we "lusers" are taught, the less mistakes we will make, the less we will need to rely on them. Or maybe they're just insecure in their chosen profession.

I am also pissed at the speeds we are getting of late and I am new to the IS servers. I am so pissed infact that I even began to get as secretive as the clever chaps and using PMs' (and made an ass of myself in doing so).

@killadoob - it's not about geeks against the rest. :D It's about sharing.:)

If the shoe fit guys...............:p

If it doesn't, I wasn't refering to you.
:cool:

Now, with that off my chest, are there any pay news servers out their that are worth their subscrition and can be accessed on a local account?
 
Brenden_E said:
If the shoe fits, wear it. If you're one of the guys (and by God it certainly seems that way) with the interpersonal skills of a rock, good for you. And you labeled yourself a Geek, not me.
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@killa and brendan.

Calm yourself guys. Say your piece but keep it 'clean'! This was an interesting and at times, informative thread.
 
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bwana v.21 said:
What stuff do you share via the news servers? :confused:
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Sharing time and knowledge - I didn't mean binary content.
BTW : It seems that uploading to news servers isn't all that easy. Normally need upload access. :(

Anyway I'm kind of on the fence with this one.
Do I be nice and help others join the newz leechers ranks or do I be an ass about it and keep quiet to avoid the service from deteriorating further?
 
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Omac said:
Now, with that off my chest, are there any pay news servers out their that are worth their subscrition and can be accessed on a local account?
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No there aren't and there was a lengthy thread about it too with a poll.
It seems that most people are willing to pay extra for a decent local news server to use their local bandwidth on but until someone steps up to the plate we're stuck with the IS ones.
 
Paul_S said:
Sharing time and knowledge - I didn't mean binary content.
BTW : It seems that uploading to news servers isn't all that easy. Normally need upload access. :(

Anyway I'm kind of on the fence with this one.
Do I be nice and help others join the newz leechers ranks or do I be an ass about it and keep quiet to avoid the service from deteriorating further?
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And that's why the system works. Usenet has been around for longer that many of the people participating in this thread.

Anyway - tell whomever you like. By their inactivity alone you know the onus IS places on the servers so when things continue to deteriorate even further dont put all the blame on them.

It doesnt matter how things should be, we're in SA where we have to manage with the way things are.
 
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bwana v.21 said:
Anyway - tell whomever you like. By their inactivity alone you know the onus IS places on the servers so when things continue to deteriorate even further dont put all the blame on them.
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Yip that's the point I'm trying to make as well. Let them tell whoever they want, but if they start bitching and moaning about poor speeds or threatening to close their accounts because of these poor speeds on the news servers, then I WILL flame them in the worst possible manner. They were warned about the consequences of their actions, and if they complain about these consequences then that's just sheer ignorance.

The news servers are low priority to IS, they might lose some revenue by means of a few people cancelling their accounts, but it's not their core business focus - they'll make alot more money elsewhere. Why don't you sissies stop threatening and cancel already? Don't just talk the talk.
 
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