Just another armed robbery.

[SoulTax]

These things happen everywhere, everyday almost 24/7. Most unreported. With the economic woes and the dumb Government(s), I am sure crimes like these will only increase as we head into 2012.

If you can afford so, please install security in your house, I am not talking about ADT. Install your own motion detector lights equipped with CCTV. Plenty of apps that also let you watch the CCTV footage on your phones no matter where you are.

Have a dog if possible and of course learn how to use a weapon because no one cares more about your own life than yourself. Simple as that.

Cant agree more.
It is sad though, to think that you need to spend. Thousands of rands and tens of hours on some kind of weapon training. Lets face it, guns are out of the question if you dont already have one. So it is down to long knives and such. So something like Russian Systema classes etc...
Then you need to spend tens of thousands on a good home security system, because the standard armed response is not adequate.

All excluding the emotional and psychological effects of the stress of living in those conditions day in and day out.

I would say that SA has one of the highest costs of living in the world. I am not talking about the price of bread, fuel, water and electricity. I am talking about comparing lifestyle to lifestyle. It is just sick how much undeclared expenses need to go to health and safety.

 

[Fudzy]

I would say that SA has one of the highest costs of living in the world. I am not talking about the price of bread, fuel, water and electricity. I am talking about comparing lifestyle to lifestyle. It is just sick how much undeclared expenses need to go to health and safety.

Well not sure what you are referring to but it's well known how much people spend on security here. It's a multi-billion rand industry.

 

[Apache]

A robber is a robber is a scumbag is a low life no matter what colour he is.
At the end of the day what difference does the race make?

Yes I know. AA BEE

 

[R/SGT]

Actually not and they don’t really write of the cases but they are given a lower priority bearing in mind that each detective is usually working on between 30 to 50 dockets at once (No CSI with 20 people working on one case)

I worked as part of a reservist warrant task team and we were given dockets in which we needed to find complainants, get extra information, and find witnesses and suspects. Now in the white areas its not hard as most people have permanent addresses and contact details, but in the townships it’s a different story, many areas have no street names or house numbers, complainants, witnesses and suspects will move around at will. I have walked most of the township looking for people, often we would get the complainant and have them direct us to where they last saw the suspect, we would then ask around and get another person who maybe knew where the suspect was and so on. We could spend the whole night working on one docket and get no where (I will admit that we would also respond to alpha complaints to help out)

You would also eventually find the necessary people only to find that they had worked something out between themselves, a good example was a assault GBH charge where a guy was hit in the head with a makeshift sword, when we got him and the suspect to the station they worked out a deal where the suspect would pay him a R100 and then he would drop the case.

Black cops tend to be less sympathetic toward other blacks when it comes to opening a docket, I often had black complainants come to me rather than the other black cops because I would be more sympathetic.

As for the women, she should have lodged a complaint with the station commissioner, domestic violence is a trick one and many cops are unsure what to do, in this case they should have opened a docket of assault grievously bodily harm and sent a van to arrest the husband, I enjoyed those calls, since it gave me a warm feeling to arrest those sort of *******s

At the stations I worked I would say that about 80% of the cops gave their best, to 15% it was just a job and 5% should have been kicked out

As I said many people don’t understand the realities of the job and what the police have to deal with on a daily basis

 

[R/SGT]

Cant agree more.
It is sad though, to think that you need to spend. Thousands of rands and tens of hours on some kind of weapon training. Lets face it, guns are out of the question if you dont already have one. So it is down to long knives and such. So something like Russian Systema classes etc...
Then you need to spend tens of thousands on a good home security system, because the standard armed response is not adequate.

All excluding the emotional and psychological effects of the stress of living in those conditions day in and day out.

I would say that SA has one of the highest costs of living in the world. I am not talking about the price of bread, fuel, water and electricity. I am talking about comparing lifestyle to lifestyle. It is just sick how much undeclared expenses need to go to health and safety.

I would advise against using a knife for self defense unless you really know what you are doing, rather get a nice baseball bat, baton etc ( I have a Asp extendable baton) combine this with pepper spray and you have a nice combination

When you talk of thousands what are you planning on buying?

There are plenty of decent armed response units in PE we have ATLAS
They will install a decent alarm system, then put in decent burglar bars (screwing them into wood doesn’t work)
If possible separate your bedrooms from the rest of the house with a security gate.
Get dogs, preferably a big and a small one, the small one is the tripwire the big one is the deterrent. (for the best result have them sleep in the house, I have a husky and a ridgeback who sleep in our room)

As for the stress, really?

 

[Lounger]

No because they are not considered worthy of space in the paper.

On an average weekend in the township in my area I used to get 2 murders, numerous rapes, plenty of assaults etc

The average white person has no idea what goes on in the townships especially the poorer areas

As for hiding the stats many cases didn’t even make it past the detectives since they wouldn’t be able to find the complainants, witnesses or even suspects.

Unless the person knew or recognized their attacker there would be no way to identify the suspect

I recall a press embargo on crime stories in the newspaper.

The police do not release crime figures for up to 1yr or more.

 

[Lounger]

As for the stress, really?

Yes. We had two burglaries. One following the other by months. A guy was rummaging through the house whilst 2 people were in. He ran off when confronted with a pistol.

The second was an attempt - again whilst we were in - this time the burglar was not so lucky.

Stress ... very much stress and anxiety, especially when we are out and wonder if they have got in again.

 

[Sly21C]

To a certain extent, I understand why robbers do what they do best, that is to rob people of their hard earned assets. What I do not fully understand though and what makes me both sad and mad is the rape factor. Why don't the robbers finish their business (their business is to rob/steal) without raping someone? If they really want sex, they can always sell the items they have stolen and buy sex from prostitutes.

 

[Fudzy]

To a certain extent, I understand why robbers do what they do best, that is to rob people of their hard earned assets. What I do not fully understand though and what makes me both sad and mad is the rape factor. Why don't the robbers finish their business (their business is to rob/steal) without raping someone? If they really want sex, they can always sell the items they have stolen and buy sex from prostitutes.

Yeah that's what seperates us from everyone else, the barbarism of it all. I think it comes down to generations of humilation and lower self-worth. Thankfully most of rised above this though ofcourse you will always get a few spoilt apples.

 

[DreamKing]

No because they are not considered worthy of space in the paper.

that is very true .... consider approximately 200000 house robberies a year (official figure), in average, 550 cases a day. if the newspaper has to report every single crime daily like some other countries do, only "house robbery section", that will be printed more than 100 pages a day. (assumed 20 cases per page).

surprise?

 

[warchylde]

A robber is a robber is a scumbag is a low life no matter what colour he is.
At the end of the day what difference does the race make?

This ^

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[warchylde]

Yeah that's what seperates us from everyone else, the barbarism of it all. I think it comes down to generations of humilation and lower self-worth. Thankfully most of rised above this though ofcourse you will always get a few spoilt apples.

Sounds like you are making excuses for them? There is no justification for it. EVER!

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[Fudzy]

Sounds like you are making excuses for them? There is no justification for it. EVER!

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I couldn't fathom an excuse for this type of behaviour, just an opinion based on what I know about rapist. What is your opinion on the matter then?

 

[DreamKing]

To a certain extent, I understand why robbers do what they do best, that is to rob people of their hard earned assets. What I do not fully understand though and what makes me both sad and mad is the rape factor. Why don't the robbers finish their business (their business is to rob/steal) without raping someone? If they really want sex, they can always sell the items they have stolen and buy sex from prostitutes.

that is the part of the robbery. in psychological point of view, the robber doesn't want sex, "rape" representing "power". the action was showing he was in charge. the people have inferior complex most likely to have this type of behaviours. typically, criminals most of them are cowards. if they have "no gun", they don't know how to survive in the world.

 

[Type RSA]

This country is just going for a ball of crap!!

 

[Hemps]

This country is just going for a ball of crap!!

I think that happenend ages ago, I look around at the infrastructure and all the "old" toppies that manage to piece everything together, once they are gone the "clever" people are employed and everything turns to krap.
Had a dissapointing week at the health department, sad sad times ahead, was at the financial department to setup accounting software, when I arrived:
Front door off it's hinges!
Barefoot security guard with that slowwwwwwwww walk to take me where I need to go , we came to steps I though she was going to faint.
Everyone hanging around reading newspapers and playing games on their computers.
People who have fallen asleep in their chairs and one on the boardroom table!
When you look for someone, they are out playing golf, or out on a workshop.
Staff are apparenetly having a workshop at the halyards hotel in Port Alfred, things listed:
Wine tasting
Comrade workshop?
Boat cruise
Buffet meals
Champagne breakfast
Carvery

Utter incompetance!
Where is the hope, where?

 

[warchylde]

I couldn't fathom an excuse for this type of behaviour, just an opinion based on what I know about rapist. What is your opinion on the matter then?

to be honest. You cannot use low self esteem as an excuse for rape. I don't understand how they can justify rape by claiming apparent humiliation. I think it's all excuses for people that can't man up when they have done something wrong. You and I have spoken quite a few times on here and I think you should have noticed by now that I have a very low tolerance for criminal violence and just crime in general. I believe at the minimum that anyone caught in the act of raping someone (or proven beyond even the slimmest glimmer of doubt to be guilty) should have their genitals surgically removed encased and preserved in some kind of transparent case and hung around their necks.

before you counter with the argument of false rape claims as we all know do exist as well refer to "proven beyond even the slimmest glimmer of doubt to be guilty"

Punishment for crimes committed in RSA is very ineffective. The punishment for any form of crime should fit the crime and be so severe that even psycopaths should think twice. Then maybe 30 50 or even 100 years down the line we can become the society we are supposed to be. Right now people have freedoms they have not yet earned through social evolution. Someone that breaks into a house and rapes a mother in front of her child shouldn't have human rights because as far as I am concerned they are not human. They are abusive animals.

 

[Fudzy]

Punishment for crimes committed in RSA is very ineffective. The punishment for any form of crime should fit the crime and be so severe that even psycopaths should think twice. Then maybe 30 50 or even 100 years down the line we can become the society we are supposed to be. Right now people have freedoms they have not yet earned through social evolution. Someone that breaks into a house and rapes a mother in front of her child shouldn't have human rights because as far as I am concerned they are not human. They are abusive animals.

I agree with you on this, the problem as well is the prison system fails at rehabilitating as well.

 

[warchylde]

I agree with you on this, the problem as well is the prison system fails at rehabilitating as well.

Thing is they go about rehabilitation the wrong way. It's currently let me hold your hand and guide you into the light.

I suggest the kick you in the nuts so you can crawl on the floor until you find a wall that you can follow to the exit into the light. Actions vs consequences.

I think the reason it fails is because they prisoners have too many rights. When you have destroyed someone else's life your human rights should be forfeit until the day you have repaid your debt to society.

So he thinks he can break into a house and rape a mother in front of her child. Punishment should be:

1 x surgical castration with souvenir necklace
15 to 25 years prison with hard labour. Build roads, homes I don't care but no more lounging in prison thinking up new and better ways of being a criminal. They should get worked 12 hours a day, hard physical work. They should be so tired that they can't even think of anything but a plate of food and a bed.

 

[Fudzy]

Thing is they go about rehabilitation the wrong way. It's currently let me hold your hand and guide you into the light.

I suggest the kick you in the nuts so you can crawl on the floor until you find a wall that you can follow to the exit into the light. Actions vs consequences.

I think the reason it fails is because they prisoners have too many rights. When you have destroyed someone else's life your human rights should be forfeit until the day you have repaid your debt to society.

So he thinks he can break into a house and rape a mother in front of her child. Punishment should be:

1 x surgical castration with souvenir necklace
15 to 25 years prison with hard labour. Build roads, homes I don't care but no more lounging in prison thinking up new and better ways of being a criminal. They should get worked 12 hours a day, hard physical work. They should be so tired that they can't even think of anything but a plate of food and a bed.

The problem is that the lesser offender become hardened by abuse in the prisons and the really bad criminals are so far gone that they don't really care any more. That's IF they even get to prison, so many offenders go missing after posting bail and others are straight back into crime when they get parole.