last 2 weeks to hand in firearm

[Glock26]

Oh yeah..all the forms can be viewed or downloaded here:
http://www.saps.gov.za/crime_prevention/firearms/formseng.htm
The deactivation request is SAPS 521(h) Notification of Requirement to Deactivate a Firearm.
Most of these need a dealer to fill in his info.

Please don't leave handing in firearms to the last day. We are getting 40-50 per day, increasing daily..and can't keep up. I expect some of us are going to refuse firearms in 3 or 4 days, to give us time to process all the paperwork.

Also...PLEASE don't deactivate or hand in possible collectors items. Those you can get money for, and I cry when I hear of R50K shotguns or Mauser Broomhandles worth R10K-30K destroyed. Rather take it to someone who can advise you on what it is. Among all the junk..there have been ppl taking Purdey shotguns (R100K upwards) to the cops..and they WERE destroyed)

G26

 

[Sackboy]

Oh yeah..all the forms can be viewed or downloaded here:
http://www.saps.gov.za/crime_prevention/firearms/formseng.htm
The deactivation request is SAPS 521(h) Notification of Requirement to Deactivate a Firearm.
Most of these need a dealer to fill in his info.

Please don't leave handing in firearms to the last day. We are getting 40-50 per day, increasing daily..and can't keep up. I expect some of us are going to refuse firearms in 3 or 4 days, to give us time to process all the paperwork.

Also...PLEASE don't deactivate or hand in possible collectors items. Those you can get money for, and I cry when I hear of R50K shotguns or Mauser Broomhandles worth R10K-30K destroyed. Rather take it to someone who can advise you on what it is. Among all the junk..there have been ppl taking Purdey shotguns (R100K upwards) to the cops..and they WERE destroyed)

G26

They would be good for the international market - another avenue.

 

[Glock26]

Yep...but there are only really 2 options there. Exporting yourelf is next to impossible. Just finding a carrier is a no-go. No airline wants to carry unaccompanied firearms of any sort...including antiques. Took me 6 months to arrange one export, and another 6 months for the export permit.

2 Companies who can assist. Classic Arm's auctions..but he has so many guns, he is full until next year. He may cancel your licence while you wait for the next auction..not sure. Still has to be off your name though.

The other is Holts UK through Suburban Guns in CT. They only take really good stuff though. Try them if you are desperate. You only have about 5 working days to do all this anyone who still needs to!
After that...there WILL BE NOT OTHER OPTION but to give it to the police for destruction and hope you aren't prosecuted.
There WILL NOT be an extension, although if they are very clever they would have an amnesty. Are they clever? Beats me...no idea. Not by what I have seen.

G26

 

[captainwifi]

Ok...for those that want the whole truth and all the facts, here they are.
On 1st July, all firearms under the old act that have not been applied for relicencing or deactivation or sold, become illegal.

Glock you are obviously a gun dealer and telling lies. CAn't you at least get your facts straight? The courts decide what is illegal or not, but the courts can't prosecute only the NPA can do this and they won't prosecute because John Welch isn't going to prosecute himself since he hasn't relicensed his personal guns. John Welch like all other citizens must also go for eye tests to get his drivers license , relicensed because he has decided to prosecute all those who don't go for eye tests and drive with expired licenses -thats just that. He decides, not you and your fellow low-life liers deceiving and scaring people into relicencing their guns. A gun like a house is property , the ANC can't confiscate property without compensation!

You will note that the NPA hasn't said a word about this whole thing. What will happen around 28 June is the ANC will gazette a 3-month amnesty to all those who haven't relicensed. I would wait till 30 June before doing anything drastic.

 

[ToxicBunny]

And what will you do wifybabycakes when the SAPS decide to arrest you for owning an unlicensed gun?...

 

[Sackboy]

Glock you are obviously a gun dealer and telling lies. CAn't you at least get your facts straight? The courts decide what is illegal or not, but the courts can't prosecute only the NPA can do this and they won't prosecute because John Welch isn't going to prosecute himself since he hasn't relicensed his personal guns. John Welch like all other citizens must also go for eye tests to get his drivers license , relicensed because he has decided to prosecute all those who don't go for eye tests and drive with expired licenses -thats just that. He decides, not you and your fellow low-life liers deceiving and scaring people into relicencing their guns. A gun like a house is property , the ANC can't confiscate property without compensation!

You will note that the NPA hasn't said a word about this whole thing. What will happen around 28 June is the ANC will gazette a 3-month amnesty to all those who haven't relicensed. I would wait till 30 June before doing anything drastic.

It isn't the dealers scaring people. It's the SAPS, in case you weren't around when the deadline was approaching and they made announcements on TV.

The dealers have lost a lot of business over this. Many have closed. I find them very helpful and honest when it comes to giving advice, even more so than the SAPS - who, IMHO, don't know much when it comes to firearms.

The SAPS are the ones taking people to the prosecutors. You don't (usually) get arrested by the NPA.

 

[Glock26]

Caprtainwifi, if you weren't serious when you type that drivel..it would be quite funny.
As it is...I expect to have you banned from this site for giving advice promoting illegal actions once the first person is charged with illegal posession of a firearm.
Btw...I have over 20 years in this game, and my facts are as straight as a snake on viagra. On the other hand, how straight are your "facts" on John Welch? I'll drop him a call in the week and let's see what he has to say on the record.

Fasten your seatbelts...it's going to be a bumpy ride.

G26 (who I think made it perfectly clear he IS a gundealer, and didn't try and hide that fact)

 

[captainwifi]

The SAPS are the ones taking people to the prosecutors. You don't (usually) get arrested by the NPA.

You simply don't understand. The ANC SAPS ek-praat-hom-berds-english can charge anybody they want with anything for which there is legislation such as having alien species on your farm, which carries a 3-year jail sentence.
THEY CAN CHARGE YOU BUT NOT PROSECUTE YOU

Did you understand that last part? They can charge you , take a statement but they can't prosecute you , only the NPA can do this in terms of:
ection 20 of the National Prosecuting Authority Act, No 32 of 1998, the power to institute and conduct criminal proceedings on behalf of the State (and to discontinue criminal proceedings) vests in the national prosecuting authority. THE ANC CAN'T FORCE THE NPA TO PROSECUTE no matter how many times they charge you.

Furthermore if they so much a touch you and throw you in jail, they will get a few billion rand lawsuits because they knew that there was no court ruling.
As I have posted , the worst that can happen is that a SINGLE TEST case will go to court. All further arrests will be suspended until that single ruling has been delivered. IF the court then convicts and ESTABLISHES a test case, A FINAL DEADLINE will be given.

Do you understand this?

 

[ToxicBunny]

Ok, so they charge you and chuck you in a cell for however long it takes for the NPA to say they can't prosecture you wifybaby..... what you going to do then?

After Bubba has had his way with you many many time...

Was it worth it to keep the gun unlicensed then?

 

[captainwifi]

Caprtainwifi, if you weren't serious when you type that drivel..it would be quite funny.
As it is...I expect to have you banned from this site for giving advice promoting illegal actions once the first person is charged with illegal posession of a firearm.
Btw...I have over 20 years in this game, and my facts are as straight as a snake on viagra. On the other hand, how straight are your "facts" on John Welch? I'll drop him a call in the week and let's see what he has to say on the record.

Fasten your seatbelts...it's going to be a bumpy ride.

And while you're on the phone with him ask him to provide proof that he has relicensed his personal guns(he hasn't) and if not did he hand them in and where is the proof. Do you notice that sound from the NPA ? IT is the sound of silence, they are not saying anything, it there was any intention to prosecute they would have said something by now. But no, not a word - NOTHING.

The reason the NPA isn't saying anthing is because they can't say the ANC is nuts and are a bunch of deranged morons who can't read the constitution.
Remember our friend Thabo who nearly rammed the Expropriation bill through, this whole mess was his idea, Thabo began to loose it near the end.

 

[ToxicBunny]

Jees, you clearly live in a dream world wifybabycakes

Everybody else : Please don't follow ANYTHING wifybabycakes tries to tell you because there is a fairly good chance it could land you in jail even if its just for a few days....

 

[Glock26]

THE ANC CAN'T FORCE THE NPA TO PROSECUTE

Just like they can't force the NPA NOT to prosecute?? Bwahahahahahahaah!

And while you're on the phone with him ask him to provide proof that he has relicensed his personal guns(he hasn't) and if not did he hand them in and where is the proof. Do you notice that sound from the NPA ? IT is the sound of silence, they are not saying anything, it there was any intention to prosecute they would have said something by now. But no, not a word - NOTHING.

The reason the NPA isn't saying anthing is because they can't say the ANC is nuts and are a bunch of deranged morons who can't read the constitution.
Remember our friend Thabo who nearly rammed the Expropriation bill through, this whole mess was his idea, Thabo began to loose it near the end.

No need to ask him, I can just run his name through CFR and know immediately if he relicenced them or handed them in.

Did you completely miss thepart where the NPA doesn't have to say anything? Why? The whole thing is cut and dried, no need for them to say anything.

You are once again forgetting the main issue here.
The job, duty and aim of the NPA is to uphold the laws of the county. They can't make up their own laws, they just have a duty to maintain the rule of law.
The firearms act is passed through parliment. It is a law, and everything is clearly laid out with no ambiguity.
The NPA has no option but to prosecute. They cannot do otherwise.

The only thing that can force a change is to challenge the whole law through the high court or constitutional court. And until that happens, the NPA WILL prosecute and cannot refuse.

G26

 

[captainwifi]

No need to ask him, I can just run his name through CFR and know immediately if he relicenced them or handed them in.

Then why haven't you done it already?

The job, duty and aim of the NPA is to uphold the laws of the county. They can't make up their own laws, they just have a duty to maintain the rule of law.
The firearms act is passed through parliment. It is a law, and everything is clearly laid out with no ambiguity.
The NPA has no option but to prosecute. They cannot do otherwise.
G26

In terms if legislation the ECA is interpreted by Icasa and Vodacom as meaning that I can't cut roads and build my own network without a license from Vodacom's stooge Icasa. But this is not what the law says! It is an interpretation by Icasa, not the courts since there is no court ruling.

I say I can build my own network without an ECNS, only John Welch has the power to prosecute me and he won't. Infact I could take this whole issue in a civil case to the constitutional court.

 

[captainwifi]

The dealers have lost a lot of business over this. Many have closed. I find them very helpful and honest when it comes to giving advice, even more so than the SAPS - who, IMHO, don't know much when it comes to firearms.

The dealers are stuffed, all some of them will be selling 5years from now are bullets to the old license holders, no guns though. What they are doing is that because they will be unemployed and destitute they want to squeeze the last few scraps of money that comes their way such as having fools go on that gun course which costs around R500. You don't need to do any courses under the old law, the law under which you got your license.

Thus they are helping people to sign away their rights so that can charge storage fees, sell guns. Specifically guns because a person who doesn't relicense will never be able to buy another gun, which leaves the gun shops swinging in the trees.

Its all about money and their interests not your interests, money has the ability to bend the truth.

 

[Mila]

I'm going to buy my BF's gun for R2.
Get all the paper work and stuff. Then has proof he does not own it any more and if he has too use it we can say it was me.
There is always a loop hole with idiots.

 

[Vercogen]

Oh yeah..all the forms can be viewed or downloaded here:
http://www.saps.gov.za/crime_prevention/firearms/formseng.htm

G26

@ G26

We took the transfer root, by witch I took over my wives 9mm. The SAPS only gave me 2 forms that had to be completed.

1. SAPS 271 Application for Licence to Possess a Firearm
2. SAPS 517 Application for a Competency Certificate

and she had to give a letter stating that she is transferring the firearm over to me.

I am still in possession of the firearm should we have also completed

SAPS 534 Transfer of Firearm ownership?

Should I apply for permission to store the firearm? (SAPS 539) and do i have to have a license to do so?(i don't have a license)

Is there any other forms that should be completed?

 

[Mila]

Where are these people when yuo ask the right questions?

 

[Sackboy]

The dealers are stuffed, all some of them will be selling 5years from now are bullets to the old license holders, no guns though. What they are doing is that because they will be unemployed and destitute they want to squeeze the last few scraps of money that comes their way such as having fools go on that gun course which costs around R500. You don't need to do any courses under the old law, the law under which you got your license.

Thus they are helping people to sign away their rights so that can charge storage fees, sell guns. Specifically guns because a person who doesn't relicense will never be able to buy another gun, which leaves the gun shops swinging in the trees.

Its all about money and their interests not your interests, money has the ability to bend the truth.

Many dealers are selling alternative defence products like Tasers, Pepperball guns and batons. They also stock for the hunting trade. Even the quality of bullets has declined as the market shrinks. Hold onto the good stuff.

The new law requires a certificate of having undergone a proficiency course about firearms. It isn't the gunshops just making it up! If you renew, the course is solely based on the current firearms law, and not the practical.

 

[Ivork]

The firearms act is passed through parliment. It is a law, and everything is clearly laid out with no ambiguity.

Phmf, could have fooled me! I'm totally confused. They going to charge me for any wrongdoing with a deactivated firearm as if it was still working - figure that out! (appart from actually shooting someone - which you don't get a license for anyway - it's only a license to possess ie keep safe, responsible for, accountable for etc which they still expect from me).

If you actually shoot someone and don't have a license, you doubly in the dwang because you should never had it on you in the first place. Tripperly in the dwang if you stole it. If you did have a license they just can't charge you with illigal possesion. You still have to face the music - just you and whoever you were protecting might still be alive.

Should I apply for permission to store the firearm? (SAPS 539) and do i have to have a license to do so?(i don't have a license)

I did it it anyway already since I did not want to get there at the last minute to find out the safes are all full - although I believe it's the SAPS duty and a service they provide to take your firearms in for safekeeping. But I would tell the current license holder to quickly take it in - not much paperwork and no forms and so on. How to get it back might be a problem - and there seems to be a bit of confusion around that.

However Sackboy says there are some stations that refuse safekeeping, so I'm not sure what the story is with that

 

[Glock26]

@ G26

We took the transfer root, by witch I took over my wives 9mm. The SAPS only gave me 2 forms that had to be completed.

1. SAPS 271 Application for Licence to Possess a Firearm
2. SAPS 517 Application for a Competency Certificate

and she had to give a letter stating that she is transferring the firearm over to me.

I am still in possession of the firearm should we have also completed

SAPS 534 Transfer of Firearm ownership?

Should I apply for permission to store the firearm? (SAPS 539) and do i have to have a license to do so?(i don't have a license)

Is there any other forms that should be completed?

Vercogen,
If you "bought" your wife's firearm, and have filled in the 271 and done the competency course and put in your application for both, you still have a problem. On the 1st of July, that firearm is illegal and the fact that there is an application in on it is not enough to prevent trouble. Afer that date, the firearm is illegal, and they would not accept the fact that there is an application as reason to keep it. They made that clear. If available, please check Man/Magnum magazine for July for a write up on what I will advise below.

You would either have to store it at the police station (very unwise, and some don't do that anyways) or yes...you need to apply for a permit to store it.
Get that filled in asap, and they can issue it at station level..doesn't have to go to CFR to get approved. Don't let them give you any hassles, just refer them to the latest directive from CFR. You will then be able to store it for 12 months, although you may not use it at all..or carry it. But it's legal at least and you won't lose it. Can't remember right now if you or she get's the permit to store, will check that.

Folks..remember they are still refusing many applications. Yes, you will get a gun for self protection... but not with 3 lines of motivation. Go overboard...write 2 or 3 pages. How you travel at night, carry cash to the bank, live in an area prone to crime. Send in some crime clippings from your local newspaper. Prove to them you have no better way of defending yourself. Show them you are old/weak/fat/lazy and are unable to run away if your life is in danger and the firearm will only be used in defence of your life. Write LOTS. That is the key to getting a licence.

I won't bother answering Capt Wookie's comments anymore as he is clearly delusional and lives in the past or an alternate reality. But I will gladly answer questions about firearms or the law or how it is all working.
Stupid comments aside..we would rather you don't hand in your gun to us or the police. Hate seeing all the ppl who come in to buy a gun AFTER an incident.

On the other hand, it is quite funny sometimesto see which celebs own guns. Famous preachers, chefs, actors, musicians...you name it. Some who preach peace, but are prepared for anything

G26

ETA: Oh yeah..Capt Wookie...I may or may not have run that name through CFR. Not going to post here publicly if i did, am I? My previous points stand.