last 2 weeks to hand in firearm

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Tomorrow I'm handing in my firearm for "indefinite" safe keeping. I have not decided yet if i want to renew my license, sell it, have it disabled, or destructed.

I assume I can do this. Come 31 June I will no longer be licensed to carry it, but it is still mine - i am the owner - right?

Just like if I had not renewed my drivers license - my car would still be mine to keep or sell but just not drive unless i decided to redo my drivers test.

Is there anything wrong with my logic here?

It's a cool gun and I don't want to know it was simply destroyed. :sick:
 
Tomorrow I'm handing in my firearm for "indefinite" safe keeping. I have not decided yet if i want to renew my license, sell it, have it disabled, or destructed.

I assume I can do this. Come 31 June I will no longer be licensed to carry it, but it is still mine - i am the owner - right?

Just like if I had not renewed my drivers license - my car would still be mine to keep or sell but just not drive unless i decided to redo my drivers test.

Is there anything wrong with my logic here?

It's a cool gun and I don't want to know it was simply destroyed. :sick:
From SAGA ... a good summary.

Dear Network Member,

In an effort to raise public awareness about the 30 June 2009 deadline for firearm owners, SAGA placed large adverts on 7 June 2009 in three of the main Sunday newspapers; Sunday Times, Rapport and City Press. Please see our website at www.saga.org.za to see the adverts and supporting documentation.

Since then the SAPS Communication Services have issued a statement about the deadline. The statement is available on our website and is copied here for your information.


STATEMENT ISSUED BY THE OFFICE OF THE DIVISIONAL COMMISSIONER: VISIBLE POLICING: COMMISSIONER ARNO LAMOER

PRETORIA
09 June 2009

IMPLEMENTATION OF THE FIREARMS CONTROL LEGISLATION IN SOUTH AFRICA

The South African Police Service wishes to extend a special word of appreciation to all firearm owners who participated in the renewal of their firearm licences, permits or authorizations. The participation of the community in this process contributes to improved firearm control and prevents the proliferation of firearms that are getting into the hands of criminals. In the same breath the South African Police Service wishes to call upon all firearm owners who have decided not to renew their firearm licences and who have opted for alternative options to dispose of their firearms by 30 June 2009.

A person who did not renew his/her firearm licence in terms of the Arms and Ammunition Act, 1969 may opt for any one of the following options:

- The firearm may be sold to a licensed firearms dealer in South Africa.

- The firearm may be handed in at the nearest police station for the purpose of deactivation.

- The firearm may be voluntarily surrendered to the South African Police Service to be destroyed.

- The firearm may be sold or donated to another individual or a legal entity. A firearm for which a licence, permit or authorisation has not been issued by the 30 June 2009 must be handed in at the nearest police station until the appropriate firearm licence has been decided upon. The firearm owner may also keep the firearm, subject to applying and obtaining a temporary authorisation (SAPS 21) from the Designated Firearms Officer.

The South African firearm owners must note that all licences, permits and authorisations issued in terms of the Arms and Ammunition Act, 1969 including storage permits for such firearm, permit or authorisation will cease to be legal as from 1 July 2009. Unless the firearm owner has applied for the renewal of such firearm licence, permit, authorisation or selected a legal option, he/she will be regarded as being in possession of a firearm without a valid licence, permit or authorisation which is regarded as a serious offence with severe penalties in terms of the Firearms Control legislation.

In the spirit of the commitment of government to fight and reduce crime collectively, the South African Police Service calls upon all South African citizens to comply with the provisions of the Firearms Control legislation to assist the Service to ensure a reliable, comprehensive and effective firearms control system in South Africa.

The Divisional Commissioner: Visible Policing, Commissioner Arno Lamoer, once again strongly urges members of the community to share any information on the illegal possession of firearms, as well as any criminal activity with the South African Police Service.

Together we can make a difference in ensuring safety and prosperity to our country by rooting out the causes of crime such as the possession of illegal firearms.

The South African Police Service urges all legal firearm owners to contact the local Designated Firearms Officers or the National Firearms Call Centre for guidance on the disposal of firearms.

NATIONAL FIREARMS CALL CENTRE:
Tel: (012) 353 6111
Fax: (012) 353 6574

Enquiries: Director Phuti Setati, South African Police Service, Head Office
Cell:082 778 4312
Tel: 012 393 5491
Fax: 012 393 5525
e-mail: [email protected]

[Ends]
 
So I can hand it in for safekeeping (i won't have it) until i decide what to do with it?
 
So I can hand it in for safekeeping (i won't have it) until i decide what to do with it?
I recommend you go chat to a dealer. They are in the know and will probably tell you to hand it to them rather than let the SAPS take it.

They just lurve to chat about this!
 
OK, I hear you SackBoy, but nothing you posted above answers my question RE handing in my firearm for safekeeping.

Are you suggesting that if I hand it in for safekeeping now, come 30 June, there is some law that gives them the right to effectively confiscate my property and do with it as they will - give to buddy, sell, destroy, give to some crook – all without my permission?

I had a legal license first time round, which is how I bought it and cost a wakk. Can they just take it from me!
I would call that theft.
 
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OK, I hear you SackBoy, but nothing you posted above answers my question RE handing in my firearm for safekeeping.

Are you suggesting that if I hand it in for safekeeping now, come 30 June, there is some law that gives them the right to effectively confiscate my property and do with it as they will - give to buddy, sell, destroy, give to some crook – all without my permission?

I had a legal license first time round, which is how I bought it and cost a wakk. Can they just take it from me!
I would call that theft.
You could apply for compensation and try and be the first person to get it!
The law says they should give it.

In theory the old license is valid for life. The SAPS says otherwise and they have BIGGER guns, so why swim against the stream.
 
You could apply for compensation and try and be the first person to get it!
The law says they should give it.

Wish I had the bucks.

In theory the old license is valid for life. The SAPS says otherwise and they have BIGGER guns, so why swim against the stream.

Well it's BS! So was the old drivers license valid for life according to the AA and my ID book. But they couldn't touch my car if I so happened to not renew. It was my bought and paid for car. Well my pistol is same thing! I cannot carry it, but it is still mine until I do the test in 5 years time when the queue is gone!
 
Tomorrow I'm handing in my firearm for "indefinite" safe keeping. I have not decided yet if i want to renew my license, sell it, have it disabled, or destructed.

I assume I can do this. Come 31 June I will no longer be licensed to carry it, but it is still mine - i am the owner - right?

Just like if I had not renewed my drivers license - my car would still be mine to keep or sell but just not drive unless i decided to redo my drivers test.

Is there anything wrong with my logic here?

It's a cool gun and I don't want to know it was simply destroyed. :sick:

Handed in an old rifle for deactivation, my reasoning being that for that was instead of the firearm possibly landing up in the wrong hands, i would prefer it rendered useless, and then hang on my wall, (i suppose i could knock someone over the head with the damn thing :) )
The rifle has been in my family for over 50 years, but now to go through the hassle of re-licensing every 2 years, cant be bothered to play along with the money making scam.
 
cant be bothered to play along with the money making scam.

Nail on head buddy!

But i might still like to use mine one day again so SAP better not loose it while it's in safekeeping - there will be helll to pay if i rock up with newly passed license and they have "lost" my gun!
 
Look I have heard "HEARD" that people have been handing in old rifles worth R100 000 bucks. Hands up who thinks cops are destroying those?
:D
 
Well I have handed it in for safe keeping because I don't have a safe right now (which is true - old safe gone and want to buy new small one).

Asked the cop if there was any time limit on safe keeping to which he said there was not. Asked what will happen because in 2 weeks I will not be able to collect it again and he just shrugged and said didn't know.

I think it has never happened before that a firearm has been checked in perfectly legal and a few days later it is suddenly illegal so there is no clear answer.

So it looks to me like a case of "no one has a clue what's going on".
 
Well I have handed it in for safe keeping because I don't have a safe right now (which is true - old safe gone and want to buy new small one).

Asked the cop if there was any time limit on safe keeping to which he said there was not. Asked what will happen because in 2 weeks I will not be able to collect it again and he just shrugged and said didn't know.

I think it has never happened before that a firearm has been checked in perfectly legal and a few days later it is suddenly illegal so there is no clear answer.

So it looks to me like a case of "no one has a clue what's going on".
Well if you gave it to the cop shop then good luck in getting it back. (I thought they didn't keep guns anynmore)
 
Well if you gave it to the cop shop then good luck in getting it back. (I thought they didn't keep guns anynmore)

I think they have to. Last year I went camping and took firearm along for trip up and down incase car packed up in middle of night. Small dorp with no arms dealers. Couldn't leave in tent exactly so police checked it in no problem.

They took it now and I got receipt without issue.

Once again a case of "no one has a clue of whats going on" maybe.

And I better get it back. Dissappears = case of theft.

I have emailed gun owners SA and SAP regarding my issue and will post their replies here as soon as I get them - for what it's worth.
 
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I think they have to. Last year I went camping and took firearm along for trip up and down incase car packed up in middle of night. Small dorp with no arms dealers. Couldn't leave in tent exactly so police checked it in no problem.

They took it now and I got receipt without issue.

Once again a case of "no one has a clue of whats going on" maybe.

And I better get it back. Dissappears = case of theft.

I have emailed gun owners SA and SAP regarding my issue and will post their replies here as soon as I get them - for what it's worth.
The police in our area won't do that any more. I suspect they're going to ask for a valid license in order to return it. Tell them you're still waiting :p
 
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