Lekota lambasts Expats

I was talking about the people that have emigrated from the country. People working abroad are not expats, they are migrant workers. Why would anyone who has voluntarily emigrated because they are fed up with SA, want to remain citizens of this country? Not much has changed since they've been gone. The ANC is still in power. Crime is still high. AA is still a problem. So are they concerned about the country?


Hello Bageloo :-P Long time no see :D
 
I was talking about the people that have emigrated from the country. People working abroad are not expats, they are migrant workers. Why would anyone who has voluntarily emigrated because they are fed up with SA, want to remain citizens of this country? Not much has changed since they've been gone. The ANC is still in power. Crime is still high. AA is still a problem. So are they concerned about the country?
Charlize is an ex-pat. If you think her opinion counts in any way then that goes for all ex-pats. Ex-pats are still alive, same cannot be said for many in this country. "Migrant workers?" Oh man that was funny :D Economic refugees or in this case Political Refugees! :mad: Deal with it.
 
Don't you think that the expats could have added numbers to strengthen the opposition? By running away they are playing right into the ANC's hands.

What opposition! ... If you voted for the "Opposition" , all that happens is they Floor Cross and betray the voters... So what is the point of voting in the first place?


pffft! The political parties have one interest... fill their pockets with someone elses cash
 
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As to opposition. Bah, look how the anc reacted to the DA win in CT. Witness the anti-da comments on this thread and through the forum. But we want opposition. Right. Just as long as it is the right opposition in the right colour and they live in the right country. Pleaze!
So long as it is strong opposiotion, I cannot complain. The numbers that emigrate are somehow an indication that even those ppl have lost faith in the DA.
 
What opposition! ... If you voted for the "Opposition" , all that happens is they Floor Cross and betray the voters... So what is the point of voting in the first place?


pffft! The political parties have one interest... fill their pockets with someone elses cash
Even the DA elected councilors cannot resist the lure of fortune and fame. This tells you a lot about the opportunistic nature of the floor crossers.
 
Even the DA elected councilors cannot resist the lure of fortune and fame. This tells you a lot about the opportunistic nature of the floor crossers.

My point exactly... they are in politics for themselves... every politician has their price and money WILL be lure them from one party to another. Less fame, More fortune.

I have not lost hope in the DA - I have lost hope in SA Political System, which includes ANC, ID, DA, <whatever>

But this finger pointing session the Govt does - really annoys me!... as they are the ELECTED LEADERS, if they CANT lead the people, then they should put someone in power that can do the job. The people look to the govt for leadership, and the Govt just sits there saying "its not my fault" telling the general population that they must fix the problems.
 
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But this finger pointing session the Govt does - really annoys me!... as they are the ELECTED LEADERS, if they CANT lead the people, then they should put someone in power that can do the job.

Herein lies the problem. I don't remember voting for that complete nimrod Charles Nqakula. I don't get to vote him out. Matter of fact, even the president isn't chosen by the people. The party is chosen, and the president and his ministers get chosen on behalf of the people, not by the people. And 'on behalf of the people' is used in the loosest possible fashion here.
 
I was talking about the people that have emigrated from the country. People working abroad are not expats, they are migrant workers. Why would anyone who has voluntarily emigrated because they are fed up with SA, want to remain citizens of this country? Not much has changed since they've been gone. The ANC is still in power. Crime is still high. AA is still a problem. So are they concerned about the country?
And that, ladies and gentlemen, is exactly it!
 
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Even the DA elected councilors cannot resist the lure of fortune and fame. This tells you a lot about the opportunistic nature of the floor crossers.
You're on a roll. Two beautiful gems from you in one night! The reason we have a government is for them to acquire fame and fortune. Awesome.
 
He and his fellow party members are not blameless here.

Neither are the stupid fools that gave the ANC such strong support that they "RULE" with impunity! You reap what you sow, but as can be seen in ZIM they will vote for them forever irrespective.
 
So long as it is strong opposiotion, I cannot complain. The numbers that emigrate are somehow an indication that even those ppl have lost faith in the DA.
:D A real joker. Bring me my machine gun or what constitutes strong opposition in your eyes; killing in kwa-zulu for instance?

Wants opposition then complains of the quality. anc can't even deal with this opposition: tells them to leave the country (oh but then wants them back! Make up your mind!)

Similar sentiment to this thread; a concerned south african now leaving the country. But no, lets deride her instead.

Pitiful.
 
It seems to me a lot of people on this forum have a problem with the political system in this country. the beauty of living in this country is that you can do something about it!

Start your own political party and should other people find your policies what they hold dear to them, they will vote for you, simple as that. At present it seems as thought the ANC's policies are endorced by a mojority of South Aficans.
 
:D A real joker. Bring me my machine gun or what constitutes strong opposition in your eyes; killing in kwa-zulu for instance?
Come on now Kilo, you know what I meant by strong opposition. The Anc's majority has been increasing since the first election(Thanks to floor crossing as well). I don't see any of the opposition stepping up to the challenge. Instead, the few that get to parliament cannot wait to floor cross to the ANC. I mean you don't need a machine gun to constitute strong opposition. All you need is strong principled leaders that will stand for what they believe in spite of the lure of money. I somehow feel that the current opposition are no different from the ruling party. They are also in it for their own enrichment. If presented with chance they are so quick to jump on to the gravy train. Whatever happened to Martinus and his gang the NNP? The love of money permeates all spheres of our society.
 
Start your own political party and should other people find your policies what they hold dear to them, they will vote for you, simple as that. At present it seems as thought the ANC's policies are endorced by a mojority of South Aficans.
That explains the floor crossing then:cool:
 
Start your own political party and should other people find your policies what they hold dear to them, they will vote for you, simple as that. At present it seems as thought the ANC's policies are endorced by a mojority of South Aficans.

Starting a political party takes money, and lots of it.

People that vote for the ANC, don't vote for them because they believe in their policies or principles. It's more a guilt thing. Just before every election the voters are reminded of how bad/evil apartheid was, and how the ANC helped them to overcome it, and how the ANC is going to make their life better, again, as the last few years had been used to battle the legacy < insert random apartheid policy here >.

But, once you overcome that, everything is smooth sailing.
 
Starting a political party takes money, and lots of it.

People that vote for the ANC, don't vote for them because they believe in their policies or principles. It's more a guilt thing. Just before every election the voters are reminded of how bad/evil apartheid was, and how the ANC helped them to overcome it, and how the ANC is going to make their life better, again, as the last few years had been used to battle the legacy < insert random apartheid policy here >.

But, once you overcome that, everything is smooth sailing.

Just watch a bit of SABC before each election... there will be a series/movie/talk show etc about apartheid and the struggle.
 
Start your own political party and should other people find your policies what they hold dear to them, they will vote for you, simple as that. At present it seems as thought the ANC's policies are endorced by a mojority of South Aficans.

No-one will vote for a party because of principles. The ANC gets the votes because they were the liberators, nothing to do with principles or policies. Quite apart from this, a political party needs to be marketed, recognition needs to be developed. This costs a lot of money. Where would the funds originate?

Until the vast majority starts understanding that their government is neither truly theirs nor truly a government, but instead is a club working to enrich it's own members, nothing will change. In other words, the longer poverty and it's attendant lack of education can be drawn out and blamed on the past, the better for the ruling party, as it will be able to maintain it's largest support base.
 
Starting a political party takes money, and lots of it.

People that vote for the ANC, don't vote for them because they believe in their policies or principles. It's more a guilt thing. Just before every election the voters are reminded of how bad/evil apartheid was, and how the ANC helped them to overcome it, and how the ANC is going to make their life better, again, as the last few years had been used to battle the legacy < insert random apartheid policy here >.

But, once you overcome that, everything is smooth sailing.

Uh I don't think so.

It's obvious that the A.N.C is only interested in power and always was only interested in power. They only used democracy because it was the best way into power and they had the numbers. They don't believe in it. So if you think that they somehow in the future are gonna give up power because they lost an election then you're in for a nasty surprise.

Just look at BoB.

Also other African nations where losing an election doesn't mean a smooth change of governance. In fact far from it.
 
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Uh I don't think so.

It's obvious that the A.N.C is only interested in power and always was only interested in power. They only used democracy because it was the best way into power and they had the numbers. They don't believe in it. So if you think that they somehow in the future are gonna give up power because they lost an election then you're in for a nasty surprise.

Just look at BoB and other African nations where losing an election doesn't mean a smooth change of governance. In fact far from it.

Hmm, I never mentioned the ANC giving up power. Really I didn't.
 
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