Let's talk PC gaming peripherals

@Fulcrum29 Thanks. I am considering which will be best for my use case but I think I'm going to end up dual-wielding as well to get the best of both worlds. I already have a K70 with mechanical switches.

If anyone is interested, the Keychron K2 HE is on sale at Amazon, and the white Ace 68 Air is once again listed for purchase at Takealot for R798. You can use the MIDMONTH coupon and get R150 off (R950 minimum spend), although you will have to wait a couple of weeks for it to ship.

I don't know how some sellers are getting the Mchose Ace 68 Air below R1 000. I know that the third-party seller, Adams Home Co, is legit with Mchose products. Since every Mchose product that I have purchased on Takealot was via them and they delivered the true product.

It is worth mentioning that the Mchose Ace 68 Air on Takealot is not the high-end version though I don't think that there is much apart between the two versions. The high-end version is available at Wootware, and it has Mount Tai switches... 128k vs 256k scan, you won't even notice.

This is how the two editions compare.

Editions: Esports | Ultra Esports
Switches: Kailh Magnetic God Switch | Mount Tai Magnetic Switch GT
Accuracy: 0.005mm | 0.001mm
RT Range: 0.005–3.4mm | 0.001–3.4mm
Latency: 0.1ms | 0.08ms
Scan Rate: 128K | 256K
ADC Direct Connection: / | WASD Direct Connection

I doubt that having WASD as dedicated input channels will improve anyone as a gamer. Both keyboards support SOCD, so eh... The big change is the switches, and those Mount Tai switches are sweet.

The Keychron K2 HE is a good keyboard. ~R2 300 on Amazon, not bad at all and it is the special edition though not in the product name (the colour schemes dictate it to be the special edition). I kinda envy that price, lol. When I bought my new keyboard it was a hard pick, but I am happy with my Ace 68 GT. IIRC, the K2 (non-special edition) and GT were the same price at the time.

Would have loved a K2 HE in black/wood, but reviews slated it to lean more towards productivity than gaming, so I went Mchose. For R2 300, it is more convincing.
 
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Yeah, it looks good, but I don't know whether it is better than ATK's EGDE 60/63. Both Mchose and ATK are getting a tid more expensive.

These keyboards compete directly against the Wooting 60HE v2, NuPhy Air60. On the cheaper end, MonsGeek FUN60 and Royal Kludge RK61. All these keyboards are reviewed by people like Hipyo Tech. I hardly see mainstream keyboard reviewers doing Mchose and ATK. When it comes to gaming, ATK is extremly good.

Mchose have been around, but their real name is Maicong (not their registered name). There are so many Chinese brands now, some under the same canopy, some more involved with known brands than some would think. 'Cloning' is a good game to play, and when you can do it at level or better then why not? The question is, though, whose designs are it anyway?

A certain brand has a popular mouse disappear, and speculation is that their license lapsed. Regardless, companies like Razer and Logitech have big R&D departments, and patent workshops. China and India have so many OEM, ODM, etc. industries. Not to ignore Vietnam, Malaysia, etc.

All I care about is choice, and recently we have quality at a lower price. That is generally good value. The more reputable these brands will become, the more the price will increase. This is ignoring the climate that the globe is in.

I would love to have that God 60 though. It isn't cheap.
 
Monitor prices keep coming down. Sheesh.

Every time yiu look there's something equivalent or better than you got a year ago.
What ever happened to Pulsar monitors? I want to see how they compare to OLED.
 
The new 8BitDo Ultimate 3E looks good,


There are more Ultimate 3 models. Still though, I don't think it is better than a GamerSir G7 or FlyDigi Vader 5 series. I won't know. I have 2 8BitDo Ultimate 2 controllers and my GameSir Nova 2 Lite have made me put them back into their boxes. Maybe the Ultimate 3 can revive the series.
 
IQUNIX is now a long established brand, more known in Asia, but it has been an esports staple. IQUNIX vs MCHOSE, I am not sure who is copying who?

IQUNIX EZ60/63


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MCHOSE Ace 68 Turbo

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IQUNIX EV63

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MCHOSE Ace 68 GT

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No, it is not direct copies, and not even the same layouts, but the styles are remarkably close. I won't say that IQUNIX pioneered these designs, but it does seem popular. Also, IQUNIX is quite a bit more expensive than MCHOSE.

I would love to have an IQUNIX EZ80/EZ75, but that is close to $300...
 
I see SteelSeries wants to bring back its peripherals that put it on the map, starting with a renewed Rival series. However, what is known at this time is still but mere leaks, and it is rumoured that SteelSeries wants to cash in on this revival. Would hate to see a plus $100 Rival mouse.
 
The Logitech G Pro X2 Superstrike has barely been released and is already being replaced by the Logitech G Pro X3 Superstrike. I don't know whether the X2's production run will end, but it seems that an updated version is now due.

Though the X2 was seemingly very positively received, some more critical reviewers did say that it came up short in certain criteria. Many highlight the intense competition that Chinese clones provide.

Here are the specs, the short version since it is a leak,


In the video, a new chipset and "upgraded" sensor are confirmed, the latter of which allows for an an additional 4,000 DPI, up to 48,000. But in addition to this, there are a couple more interesting claims. First is that we'll be seeing an extra +50% battery life, up to 135 hours from the original Superstrike's 90 hours at 1,000 Hz polling. Second is that the mouse will apparently have "refined weight and balance."

it will still take some time until the mouse goes to market, but it could be within three months. Though those who love their Logitech gaming peripherals will now wait and buy the X3 rather than the X2 (unless massively discounted). The X2 is a great mouse.

The HITS made by the competition are on the way.
 
I have a question for you guys who use a hall effect keyboard as a daily driver. Is it stable?

My experience with hall effect keyboards varies. I have used cheap ones, mid-range ones, and then recently I bought myself a Mchose Ace GT, which can be considered a premium keyboard. For the first time I adopted a hall effect as my main. The problem I have with the keyboard is that it can experience key runaway or, at times, produce random key presses. At first, it bugged me, but now I am plainly irritated, and there is nothing that annoys me more than using this keyboard. I have grown to dislike it.

I temporarily switched to its sibling, the Mchose Ace Super, and while it is not nearly as bad, it does have the occasional runaway, almost as if one of the keys is sticking. The issue is not quite the same as what I am experiencing with the GT, and not something that I can recreate. Recently, a firmware update was pushed out for the Super, and I can’t say that I have experienced any more of the same issue. Touch wood.

The GT hasn’t received a new firmware update. I have no idea whether I have to return this board???

Sure, Fulcrum, yes, you need to configure the keyboard. Been there, done that. Sometimes I don’t even have to touch the keyboard, and it will trigger a keypress all on its own. This is something that I can’t recreate; it just happens.

I am leaning hard toward returning it. It is such a fine keyboard when it works, but mine is flawed. Should have bought the Keychron...
 
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I had that when I first got my Ajazz, one of the keys would just randomly press itself, I would get back to my PC my Discord text box would just be "aaaaa" repeated 100 times.

Went into the software and did the calibration for that key, and it hasn't happened again in over a year.
 
I had that when I first got my Ajazz, one of the keys would just randomly press itself, I would get back to my PC my Discord text box would just be "aaaaa" repeated 100 times.

Went into the software and did the calibration for that key, and it hasn't happened again in over a year.

The number of times I have recalibrated the keyboard... I will give it another go; perhaps I should press each key a thousand times before moving on to the next.

That said, the Ace 68 Air that I bought, yoh, that keyboard struggled with most keys to register a calibration. It took a while to get through it, but the keyboard felt good afterward. I still don't know what switches that keyboard is using, because it isn't from Mchose's options for that keyboard. I only bought that because it was sub-R1000, and a day after testing it I threw it into my laptop bag. Hmmm, I should test that to see whether it exhibits any issues.
 
I have now redone the recalibration, performed a factory reset, and ensured that it is set to Pink Taishan Magnetic Switch GT before calibration. Let's see.

Before I did that, I checked Wootware's website and saw that the keyboard was sold out. Maybe calibration is the issue; perhaps it is a chipset/firmware issue. I am going to send Mchose an email; perhaps they have an answer if the issue persists.
 
The new 8BitDo Ultimate 3E looks good,


There are more Ultimate 3 models. Still though, I don't think it is better than a GamerSir G7 or FlyDigi Vader 5 series. I won't know. I have 2 8BitDo Ultimate 2 controllers and my GameSir Nova 2 Lite have made me put them back into their boxes. Maybe the Ultimate 3 can revive the series.
Firstly thanks to everyone sharing their real world experience here, this is increasingly difficult to find and really valuable.

I'm in the market for a new controller and would appreciate if you could elaborate further why the GameSir is better than the 8BitDo in your opinion and experience?
 
Firstly thanks to everyone sharing their real world experience here, this is increasingly difficult to find and really valuable.

I'm in the market for a new controller and would appreciate if you could elaborate further why the GameSir is better than the 8BitDo in your opinion and experience?

I can only speak for the two 8BitDo controllers,

1. 8BitDo Ultimate 2 Wireless
2. 8BitDo Ultimate 2 Bluetooth

If you are looking at GameSir, you have a very large staple to look at. The GameSir's that I own,

1. GameSir Nova 2 Lite x 2
2. GameSir Super Nova
3. GameSir Cyclone 2
4. GameSir G7 Pro Tri-Mode
5. GameSir G7 Pro 8K

I also have a number of legacy controllers.

I can tell you straight up that if you are a casual gamer and need an everyday controller for fighting and beat 'em up games, just buy a Nova 2 Lite. Of all the controllers on my list, it has the superior D-pad. Avoid the Ultimate 2C in this case. The Nova 2 Lite is just a better pad. I have heard that the Ultimate 2C comes very close to the Ultimate 2. It even puts the Super Nova to shame, but the Super Nova has surprisingly smooth and accurate sticks. If you are going to play something like Rocket League, get the Super Nova. I play all of my casual games, like Dave the Diver, and, even though not casual, X4: Foundations with my Super Nova.

The Cyclone 2 is made for first-person shooters. If you pay a little bit more for a G7 Pro Tri-Mode, you don't even need to consider the Cyclone 2. The Cyclone 2, though, does have good triggers; it is just that the G7 Pro Tri-Mode is more capable. If you have a Cyclone 2, don't feel the need to upgrade to the G7 Pro Tri-Mode.

Then we start with a series of G7/T7 controllers. I can't speak for them all, but I can speak for the Pro. The G7 Pro Tri-Mode is what is considered a 'true' wireless controller. Yes, it does have wireless, but its functionality is limited. It is only active at a 500 Hz (or less). If you set it to 1000 Hz, you lose trigger vibration. The G7 Pro Wireless Edition controllers do have trigger vibration at 1000 Hz. I have never felt the need to have it, though this is subjective. People who play racing games may have a greater appreciation for trigger vibration. If you want it, it is best to see if you can get a FlyDigi Vader 5, which you would have to import if possible. Is the G7 Pro Tri-Mode a good controller? Yes, it is for its price and availability here, unrivalled. You need to be very high on the juice to think that anything else here is better. GameSir has changed the landscape of competitive gaming with this controller. Anyone can now have a top-tier controller that may not break the bank.

I know everyone dislikes Evetech, but when they have it in stock it is less than R1 500. The G7 HE is below R800... but I haven't tried that controller. I think the Cyclone 2 would be better than the G7 HE.

Before continuing, there are numerous reports claiming that the G7 Pro Tri-Mode suffers from a weak D-Pad, and that the wireless versions have fixed these issues; nonetheless, my device did not show any of these concerns. Maybe mine is from a later batch. I won't know; it feels the same as my G7 Pro 8K.

Then moving on to the G7 Pro 8K. I had to import mine. Is it good? Yes, it is S-tier. The sticks are better, but it won't make you a better player. It is meant for esports. If you have a G7 Pro Tri-Mode/Wireless there is no reason to upgrade. I regularly switch between the two. Just note that both of my GameSir G7 Pros are equipped with KontrolFreek Galaxy thumbstick extensions. Though the G7 Pro are XBOX/XBOX-styled controllers, they have PlayStation-sized thumb caps. Just a notice if you are planning on using extensions, grips, or otherwise. These third-party thumbsticks massively contribute to my accuracy.

Where do the 8BitDo Ultimate 2 controllers fit in? Well, I have boxed them alongside my Cyclone 2. It is hard to say; it is spoiled by my GameSir controllers. Maybe this has changed with the new Ultimate 3 series. The sticks and D-pad do not measure up to the GameSir's, and then there is the grip. You have to keep your arms inward with them, where you are more relaxed with the GameSir controllers. You only need the Bluetooth edition when you have a Switch, and then its polling sucks as well. I used to be a fan.

If you are considering an 8BitDo, get the 2C, Ultimate 2 Wireless, or one of the newer ones if available. The Bluetooth edition of the Ultimate 2 is inferior but designed to better support all platforms. In this case, I would prefer the GameSir Super Nova if you require broad platform support. This also takes the gyro into consideration. The 8BitDo win is with the extra two mappable buttons on top, but the Cyclone 2 is better overall.

Another mention is that the GameSir controllers aren't that big. Some people like a chunkier controller.

Still, when I play a game like Absolum or Streets of Rage 4, I default to my Nova 2 Lite. It is the cheapest GameSir on the list with the best D-Pad. Even though the G7 Pro has interchangeable D-pad options, it is a bit on the mushy side. If you train with them, the mushiness is a non-issue.

My best AimLab scores are with both the Cyclone 2 and G7 Pro 8K.

There is a lot more to add, but then I would have to break down the pros and cons, most of which are gyro-related.

Just get a G7 Pro Tri-Mode or Wireless (preferably). If you want to spend more, consider importing a Flydigi Vader 5, and if you want to be top-end competitive, the G7 Pro 8K. These are all top-tier controllers with all the buttons you will ever need.

Currently I am considering a GameSir Tarantula 8K, just for fighting games. Won't be ordering one anytime soon.

Black Friday is close; GameSir might have a good special at Amazon (.com) if you want an 8K. I don't think the 8K is sold locally.
 
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