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Pitbull said:
I myself have no real link to the flag. Other than standing there at attention every morning at mass when the flag was hoisted and singing "Die Stem". I can however relate to people who died for that flag, people who lost children fighting at the border against the Red Communist wave flooding the World. I have empathy for the people who have lost their husbands, friends, relatives and brothers.

I have a sense of utmost respect for the people who died protecting this country under that flag and the pride they showed while doing it. Even more so if you realize those who did it had no choice in the matter.

That is what I think about when I see that Glorious flag! A flag that so many people died for to protect. Just waving it away and saying it's an "Apartheid flag" is wrong in so many ways. In essence, this ruling is actually further dividing the nation in what the judge thought would be best to do in the interest of social cohesion. It's doing the exact opposite.
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I agree.

It does carry alot of symbolism.

It is sad that people do co-opt it for outdated ideologies. It is on that basis it has been banned.

People fought in WW2 under that flag for the greater good.

This legacy was tarnished by a select few.
 
Mila said:
Have they now gone and increases the value of this flag just like that?

New flag R150 on gumtree
Old flag R1500 secretly imported on the black market..
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Supply and demand...
 
konfab said:
My view is that you have to allow people to be as racist as they want to be, else wise you cannot know what the sentiment about these sensitive topics are. The only entity that should be forbidden from being racist is the government because it is a legal monopoly on force. After that it is anything goes.
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I agree with racists being out in the open and visible as well, but the thing about racists is that if they don't respect a person for who they are as an individual, they most likely don't respect their individual rights either, which is ironic in this case of the flag
 
I wonder how the Snowflakes would feel under this flag. 703307

In one battle the British killed 7000 Zulus.
 
STS said:
I agree with racists being out in the open and visible as well, but the thing about racists is that if they don't respect a person for who they are as an individual, they most likely don't respect their individual rights either, which is ironic in this case of the flag
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And since when is respecting someone a universal law that has to be enforced by the state.

I don't respect you, so fscking what? I always have a good chuckle when you hear Americans go "You disrespecting me!?", it's absurd.
 
ponder said:
And since when is respecting someone a universal law that has to be enforced by the state.

I don't respect you, so fscking what? I always have a good chuckle when you hear Americans go "You disrespecting me!?), it's absurd.
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The problem is when large groups of people no longer respect your rights or when they can influence the political climate. You don't have to like someone or respect them, but the way you go about it and when you start outnumbering them, it makes them nervous.

I am not talking about being civil, I am talking about not feeling that they deserve the same rights or treatment as others, and for many (dumb)people that is solely based on something as fickle as race. It is up to the state to protect people from real or perceived threats, even if they are wrong on occasions
 
STS said:
It is up to the state to protect people from real or perceived threats, even if they are wrong on occasions
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It's never OK but you being you I can understand why you would support such action.
 
rambo919 said:
It's got nothing to do with the flag itself, even the banning is not actually about the flag itself... it part of a cultural war against "whitenness" otherwise known as low intensity ethnic cleansing. Same thing with the statues and place names... it's soft war.
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Just slowly moving through the 8 stages of genocide then. Move along, nothing to see here.
 
Mila said:
Have they now gone and increases the value of this flag just like that?

New flag R150 on gumtree
Old flag R1500 secretly imported on the black market..
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What if someone deliberately created demand and is now cashing in? Win - win for him
 
buka001 said:
Not a symbol?

Yet many here speak of its symbolism for their culture ...
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yeah ok i agree, it can be symbolic of various things for some. at that moment i was thinking more in line of representation. yes i know the 2 can be synonymous
 
Yet nobody has a problem with communist symbols, strange.

China: 82 million dead
USSR: more than 21 million dead
North Korea: 4.6 million dead
Vietnam: 3.8 million dead
Cambodia: 2.4 million dead
Afghanistan: 1.5 million dead
Yugoslavia: 1,172,000 dead
Germany: 815,000 dead
Mozambique: 729,000 dead
Ethiopia: 725,000 dead
Romania: 435,000 dead
Czechoslovakia: 262,082 dead
Venezuela: more than 252,000 dead
Poland: more than 235,000 dead
Hungary: 210,000 dead
Angola: 125,000 dead
Colombia: 105,419 dead
Albania: 100,000 dead
Rhodesia / Zimbabwe: more than 50,000 dead
Laos: 45,000 dead
Bulgaria: 31,150 dead
Cuba: 73,000 dead
Peru: 37,840 dead
Mongolia: 35,000 dead
Philippines: 22,799 dead
Greece: 15.401 dead
Nicaragua: 5.000 dead
Spain: at least 4,176 dead
Argentina: 1,501 dead
South Yemen: 1,000 dead
Israel: 83 dead
Uruguay: 66 dead
West Germany and West Berlin: 35 dead
United States: 10 dead

TOTAL: More than 120 million dead
 
ponder said:
Yet nobody has a problem with communist symbols, strange.

China: 82 million dead
USSR: more than 21 million dead
North Korea: 4.6 million dead
Vietnam: 3.8 million dead
Cambodia: 2.4 million dead
Afghanistan: 1.5 million dead
Yugoslavia: 1,172,000 dead
Germany: 815,000 dead
Mozambique: 729,000 dead
Ethiopia: 725,000 dead
Romania: 435,000 dead
Czechoslovakia: 262,082 dead
Venezuela: more than 252,000 dead
Poland: more than 235,000 dead
Hungary: 210,000 dead
Angola: 125,000 dead
Colombia: 105,419 dead
Albania: 100,000 dead
Rhodesia / Zimbabwe: more than 50,000 dead
Laos: 45,000 dead
Bulgaria: 31,150 dead
Cuba: 73,000 dead
Peru: 37,840 dead
Mongolia: 35,000 dead
Philippines: 22,799 dead
Greece: 15.401 dead
Nicaragua: 5.000 dead
Spain: at least 4,176 dead
Argentina: 1,501 dead
South Yemen: 1,000 dead
Israel: 83 dead
Uruguay: 66 dead
West Germany and West Berlin: 35 dead
United States: 10 dead

TOTAL: More than 120 million dead
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What's this with 10 dead in the US?
 
ponder said:
Yet nobody has a problem with communist symbols, strange.

China: 82 million dead
USSR: more than 21 million dead
North Korea: 4.6 million dead
Vietnam: 3.8 million dead
Cambodia: 2.4 million dead
Afghanistan: 1.5 million dead
Yugoslavia: 1,172,000 dead
Germany: 815,000 dead
Mozambique: 729,000 dead
Ethiopia: 725,000 dead
Romania: 435,000 dead
Czechoslovakia: 262,082 dead
Venezuela: more than 252,000 dead
Poland: more than 235,000 dead
Hungary: 210,000 dead
Angola: 125,000 dead
Colombia: 105,419 dead
Albania: 100,000 dead
Rhodesia / Zimbabwe: more than 50,000 dead
Laos: 45,000 dead
Bulgaria: 31,150 dead
Cuba: 73,000 dead
Peru: 37,840 dead
Mongolia: 35,000 dead
Philippines: 22,799 dead
Greece: 15.401 dead
Nicaragua: 5.000 dead
Spain: at least 4,176 dead
Argentina: 1,501 dead
South Yemen: 1,000 dead
Israel: 83 dead
Uruguay: 66 dead
West Germany and West Berlin: 35 dead
United States: 10 dead

TOTAL: More than 120 million dead
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Because we avoided it, even the Black people in SA should be thankful for the work the Soldiers did for this country in the fight against Communism.
 
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ponder said:
It's never OK but you being you I can understand why you would support such action.
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Respecting you as a person and respecting their rights are two different things, but they usually go hand in hand. Example, Malema doesn't respect your right to live in this country and doesn't respect you as a person, which is why he wants you out of it.

Not everyone is Rambo like you and can fight their way through mobs. When a mob rocks up to your house one day to necklace you, feel free to point out you don't respect them
 
STS said:
Not everyone is Rambo like you and can fight their way through mobs. When a mob rocks up to your house one day to necklace you, feel free to point out you don't respect them
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We already have laws to protect people from assault, rape & murder. We need to enforce them, not create more stupid laws.
 
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