Local Only 3G / HSDPA Access

Ghost02 said:
can't vodacom orgnise a lower rate then for local?
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Vodacom's upstream cost for local traffic is not necessarily cheaper until they are nation tier 1 and peered properly with everyone. As I understand it this is one of the goals of Vodacom Business.

We'll juast have to wait and see. :D
 
Local-only HSPA Data Bundles

Like normal adsl we have international and local.Could vodacom 3g/hsdpa..etc not have something like this.
I know a few problems will arise from this but can it be possible.
Lets say for example we buy PPDB...could that not be spit for international and local where by the local SA sites could cost far less that international.Say this could be possible then i could buy local for 10c+- a meg and international the normal fee.
I could buy a R100 international PPDB and a local R50 one .
Can we have a poll on this please.:)
 
I am sure it is possible, but I believe this splitting of traffic is a bad idea (even on ADSL). The ISP's should rather lower the price of local hosting so that more traffic can be local and thus lower their bandwidth costs. Even static IP's for ADSL would help.

EDIT: After thinking about it, local hosting is probably so expensive because of international bandwidth prices.
 
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Because the SA consumer is so used in getting ripped-off, there would be a national outcry if Vodacom does it....we're simply not used to it.
 
Also think that it could be done but have you thought of the following:

If everybody gets a local only account and then starts mass downloading the whole Voda network will go down the drain and you will get more people complaining because of slow speeds warra warra...........
 
kingrob said:
Because the SA consumer is so used in getting ripped-off, there would be a national outcry if Vodacom does it....we're simply not used to it.
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Was hoping someone would come up with the answer I've posted so many times before. :rolleyes:

Alas, so here goes:

When a company builds it's products and price them, many factors come into play to determine the final costing.

If the product consist of a basket of services (i.e. more than one 'thing'), you have two choices, you can price each element separately (but this leads to complex billing) or you can make up a 'combined price' based on some projected usage balance.

This is what was done for the data bundles, both the local and international portions were combined to come up with a single price. Obviously some split of local / international was assumed.

To split it out again will show a lower local price, but at the same time the international portion will increase.

As the majority of browsing habits include a substantial international portion, and as the price difference won't be that great (due to local transmission costs), it did not make sense to have a split model at this point in time.

When we have all our own local transmission, it will warrant a re-look at this model.
 
vodacom3g said:
Was hoping someone would come up with the answer I've posted so many times before. :rolleyes:

Alas, so here goes:

When a company builds it's products and price them, many factors come into play to determine the final costing.

If the product consist of a basket of services (i.e. more than one 'thing'), you have two choices, you can price each element separately (but this leads to complex billing) or you can make up a 'combined price' based on some projected usage balance.

This is what was done for the data bundles, both the local and international portions were combined to come up with a single price. Obviously some split of local / international was assumed.

To split it out again will show a lower local price, but at the same time the international portion will increase.

As the majority of browsing habits include a substantial international portion, and as the price difference won't be that great (due to local transmission costs), it did not make sense to have a split model at this point in time.

When we have all our own local transmission, it will warrant a re-look at this model.
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thanks 3g.Now i can rest in peace:)
 
Local only on HSDPA/3G

Is it possible to buy and use local only bandwidth on 3G/HSDPA
be it from Vodacom, MTN or who ever is there such a thing as MOBILE LOCAL ONLY?
 
Local cap?

Is there a chance that Vodacom will be selling local cap bundles?
 
The chance of that is somewhere between zilch and 0 imo.

Perhaps they might not bill you for VC-VC traffic at some stage....but thats just pure speculation on my part.
 
Vodacom3G explained it a while ago. They make more money out of us because a lot of people use local resources. Those people subsidise the "expensive*" international bandwidth users. So if the were to charge less for local only then the international portion needs to be more expensive.

*Why charge R289 per gig when ADSL ISPs charge as low as R70 per gig? Doesn't Vodacom buy bandwidth from the same sources AKA SIAX or IS?
 
ic said:
Please quote that post where v3g posted what you posted there.
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Was hoping someone would come up with the answer I've posted so many times before.

Alas, so here goes:

When a company builds it's products and price them, many factors come into play to determine the final costing.

If the product consist of a basket of services (i.e. more than one 'thing'), you have two choices, you can price each element separately (but this leads to complex billing) or you can make up a 'combined price' based on some projected usage balance.

This is what was done for the data bundles, both the local and international portions were combined to come up with a single price. Obviously some split of local / international was assumed.

To split it out again will show a lower local price, but at the same time the international portion will increase.

As the majority of browsing habits include a substantial international portion, and as the price difference won't be that great (due to local transmission costs), it did not make sense to have a split model at this point in time.

When we have all our own local transmission, it will warrant a re-look at this model.
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http://mybroadband.co.za/vb/showpost.php?p=1860679&postcount=6

ic said:
ADSL ISPs selling 1GB for ZAR70.00, are in fact resellers that don't actually need to rent any expensive network infrastructure links [like a crapload of Digicrap links] from Telkodemonopolies, in order to transport a customer's bits & bytes between A and B - that is done by Telkodemonopolies' SAIX division.
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Strange, I thought the ISP also needed lines between themselves and the telscum network. How does your ADSL signal travel from your house to the ISP? And from the ISP on to SAIX or IS or Verizon? (Not being sarcastic, I really want to know how it works)

ic said:
Telkodemonopolies also charges itself less for bandwidth compared to what the monopolistic beast charges its wholesale bandwidth customers.
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This part I agree with and I hate them for it.

ic said:
Why do you think Vodacom and MTN are investing billions into laying their own fibre optic links in South Africa [i.e. all over the country]?
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True, telscum prices are so insane that it makes sense to lay your own lines when you are as big as Vodacom.
 
vodacom3g said:
Not just the pricing, but the inability to provide lines in the first place.

On the interconnectivity, remember an ISP needs only 1 link to Telkom (hopefully a few more for redundancy) while Vodacom needs a link to EVERY base station (ten's of thousands).
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Good point.
 
I want to ask what might be a stupid question. So I am guessing that Vodacom uses Diginet lines for backhaul in the cities? Will the newer Metro Ethernet links be cheaper for them and allow them to drop the price of their data bundles? I heard that Metro Ethernet is cheaper than Diginet? Is there anyway that they will also buy capacity from Neotel to connect their towers?
 
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