Massive explosion in Oslo

[VioAdmin]

Norway sent a loose F16 to Libya to help getting rid of that mongrel Ghaddafi, and so this terrorist attack is justified? :erm:

Killadoob already answered these questions...over 2,000+ Bombs have been dropped in Libya for NO reason other than for the US/EU to gain access to Libya's wealth via OIL.

They[EU/US] fear anyone who does not agree to their terms[Gadaffi] -- Google Thomas Sankara for an example.


There is no such thing as "justified" -- All those innocent people that have died and lost their homes/business in Libya, what about them?

It's all fair war, reap what you sow.

 

[Ronjay]

By your logic if somebody steps into bullets fired from a cop's gun then the cop is guilty of murder regardless of intention and should face the same jail time as somebody who deliberately blows another person's brains out

Rubbish. No one has mentioned murder. By your logic a death by a bomb in a parking lot is not the same as a death by a missile in a house. News flash, death is death.

 

[Alan]

Rubbish. No one has mentioned murder. By your logic a death by a bomb in a parking lot is not the same as a death by a stray missile in a house. News flash, death is death.

Fixed.

You say the outcome is the same hence those responsible for that outcome should be held equally accountable.....

 

[Shibal]

I do get the fact that terrorism is deliberate targeting of civilians, and would never condone it. .....
A deliberate bomb in a parking lot or a stray missile over a home results in the same outcome, regardless of intention.

Rubbish. By your logic a death by a bomb in a parking lot is not the same as a death by a missile in a house

So how do you suggest the terrorists should be killed?
Missile travels through a vacuum until it reaches Achmed the terrorist?

 

[Ronjay]

Fixed.

You say the outcome is the same hence those responsible for that outcome should be held equally accountable.....

Did I? Where?

 

[Alan]

Did I? Where?

A deliberate bomb in a parking lot or a stray missile over a home results in the same outcome, regardless of intention.

 

[Ronjay]

A deliberate bomb in a parking lot or a stray missile over a home results in the same outcome, regardless of intention.

LOL, trouble reading? How does that equate to-

You say the outcome is the same hence those responsible for that outcome should be held equally accountable.....

 

[HideInLight]

Alan when you drop 2000+ bombs what is the likely hood of civilians dying? 100% how is that different? you know your bombs are going to kill innocent people yet it is different to terrorists knowingly killing civilians? How do you figure that?

One incident with 8 civs nailed alan
A NATO warplane has targeted a market in the Libyan town of Tawragha, leaving at least eight civilians dead and several others wounded.

O yes that is very different hey alan

Libya: NATO Has Killed 718 Civilians, Wounded 4067

Woops sorry our bombs must have gone or something, we are forgetting nato has actually ignored the resolution set out for this war.

So in my opinion nato should be up for war crimes.

You honestly believe the Libya's spokesman Moussa Ibrahim? That guy is a pathological liar...
He gave zero evidence of those figures, how hard can it be to release a document detailing each incidence? I seriously doubt that the technology is that bad for so many stray missiles.

 

[undesign]

Targeting civilians vs civilian casualties of war.

That^^^

Or more accurately unintended collateral damage.

Regardless of the same outcome - there is fundamentally a big difference between that and the calculated targeting of civilians.

 

[Alan]

LOL, trouble reading? How does that equate to-

I agree. The only difference between sanctioned combat by western allies and terrorism, is the point of view of those carrying out the attacks

I just find it odd you consider terrorist car bombs and stray missiles the same thing yet don't hold those responsible to the same accountability.

Anyway news is saying a gunman has gone on the rampage on a small island hosting a political gathering for young members of the Norwegian Labour party

 

[killadoob]

That^^^

Or more accurately unintended collateral damage.

Regardless of the same outcome - there is fundamentally a big difference between that and the calculated targeting of civilians.

Unintended you say? So 2000+ bombs causes unintended damage? No it causes intended damage, you know the bombs are going to kill civilians before you drop them. No better than a terrorist knowing he will kill civilians

They are knowingly killing civilians. NATO was suppose to enforce a no fly zone, they went to the UN and told them they just want to enforce a no fly zone, now they are dropping bomb after bomb which was not brought up when they went to the UN.

Many countries supported this but not many supported the bombing of libya. Nato should be enforcing a no fly zone and should not be bombing and killing the very same people they are suppose to be protecting.

I love how nato say they are there to protect the citizens yet they are dropping bombs daily on the same people they vowed to protect, destroying their lives. It's astonishing how how people think collateral damage is fine. Tell that to families of the 700 odd that nato have killed. If they wanted to protect Libyans they would be on the ground dying as well instead of watching. It is easier to watch rebels dying, civilians and qaddafi forces than go in and mount an assult possibly resulting in ground troop deaths. I think nato has killed about 40 rebels as well hahaha.

Good video on rt http://rt.com/news/nato-libya-conflict-italy-france/

 

[VioAdmin]

Unintended you say? So 2000+ bombs causes unintended damage? No it causes intended damage, you know the bombs are going to kill civilians before you drop them. No better than a terrorist knowing he will kill civilians

They are knowingly killing civilians. NATO was suppose to enforce a no fly zone, they went to the UN and told them they just want to enforce a no fly zone, now they are dropping bomb after bomb which was not brought up when they went to the UN.

Many countries supported this but not many supported the bombing of libya. Nato should be enforcing a no fly zone and should not be bombing and killing the very same people they are suppose to be protecting.

I love how nato say they are there to protect the citizens yet they are dropping bombs daily on the same people they vowed to protect, destroying their lives. It's astonishing how how people think collateral damage is fine. Tell that to families of the 700 odd that nato have killed. If they wanted to protect Libyans they would be on the ground dying as well instead of watching. It is easier to watch rebels dying, civilians and qaddafi forces than go in and mount an assult possibly resulting in ground troop deaths. I think nato has killed about 40 rebels as well hahaha.

Damn, game set match.

+10000

 

[Shibal]

I think nato has killed about 40 rebels as well hahaha.

Hows that for the true colours showing.

'Any enemy of the evil white west is a friend of mine'.

 

[undesign]

Unintended you say? So 2000+ bombs causes unintended damage? No it causes intended damage, you know the bombs are going to kill civilians before you drop them. No better than a terrorist knowing he will kill civilians

Hmmm...they don't intend to kill civilians. If you want to play the statistical probability game then yes, 2000 bombs aimed at non-civilian targets will in all likelyhood cause collateral damage i.e. kill civilians. It is also statistically probable that someone in Libya will suffocate from eating a Hershey bar, that doesn't mean Hershey are evil Western civilian targeting terrorists.

Whilst I agree that that the definition and labelling of terrorism and war and the legitimacy of military aggression is subjective and open to interpretation, equating the bombing of non-civillian targets (even with civilian casualties) to the deliberate targeting of civilians is BS.

Your concerns about the Nato involvement/strategy are reasonable. Your conclusions are not.

 

[killadoob]

My conclusion is a very simple one, stop bombing liyba, mount a ground invasion and remove qaddafi.

Bombing is just killing civilians and destroying the country. Qaddafi is still alive after 3 months of bombing, does it take a rocket scientist to figure out he ain't leaving anytime soon? So they have two options stop bombing and face the embarrassment or a mount a ground offensive. For some odd reason they are taking the 3rd option which the most idiotic one and that is to continue destroying liyba until he gives up thus condemning the people of liyba to decades of rebuilding and thousands dead. If you want to go to war then go to war, if you want to be a bunch of chicken shyte spineless ******s then don't do anything. Sadly nato would rather Libyans take the grunt of their attacks than lose ground troops. Good way to protect people.

Lives destroyed, homes destroyed, families torn apart all for one man, is it really worth it? I doubt the people of liyba think that and of course nato have not given them the chance to have their say because most them would rather have qaddafi than a bunching of crazy *******s bombing them to hell and back.

 

[The_Assimilator]

Hmmm...they don't intend to kill civilians. If you want to play the statistical probability game then yes, 2000 bombs aimed at non-civilian targets will in all likelyhood cause collateral damage i.e. kill civilians. It is also statistically probable that someone in Libya will suffocate from eating a Hershey bar, that doesn't mean Hershey are evil Western civilian targeting terrorists.

Whilst I agree that that the definition and labelling of terrorism and war and the legitimacy of military aggression is subjective and open to interpretation, equating the bombing of non-civillian targets (even with civilian casualties) to the deliberate targeting of civilians is BS.

Your concerns about the Nato involvement/strategy are reasonable. Your conclusions are not.

killa's never been one to let facts get in the way of his spreading of FUD.

 

[killadoob]

YOu are a ****ing ********! piece of ****

Yet the people killing libyans are heroes right? Typical of the world we live when some people seem less equal to other people. Funny how a few people die in norway and everyone is so upset and disgusted but 700 people get murdered in libya and people are like whatever collateral damage. Perhaps watch more news and see how many innocent people are killed daily by war. This type of bombing in norway is an everyday event for the people of liyba but of course this is norway so people actually care

Sadly bud i view all people as equal and if nato wants to murder then they must accept it will be returned, war is a horrible thing but it seems it way worse when the realism of war hits those involved in it. Much easier dropping bombs and killing than having to face the same reality. Maybe norway will now realize that and change, perhaps they have just been given a glimpse of everyday life in libya now.

I don't spread FUD, just because i don't agree with how certain things are does not make it any less relevant. I never see threads about the hundreds killed in stupid incidents by the powers that be, let one terrorist kill a few people and boy the threads pile up but nato can happily drop 2000 bombs and murder civilians, nobody gets upset for those poor people.

Qaddafi warned Europe, he said very clearly he will bring the war to Europe and why not? If they want to bring war why should he not be allowed to counter? I never knew war was a one way street.


The world we live in so Fked up it's scary actually.

 

[kat06sa]

Over 80 dead at youth camp.

At least seven people died in Oslo after a huge car bomb exploded close to buildings which house the offices of Prime Minister Jens Stoltenberg.

A further 80 were killed when a man dressed as a police officer opened fire on the island of Utoya where a youth meeting of the ruling Labour Party was taking place.

Previously, police had said that at least 10 had been killed on the holiday island but the death toll rose dramatically early this morning.

Police chief Oystein Maeland told a news conference: "We can't guarantee that won't increase", adding the attack had reached "catastrophic dimensions".

The suspect being held in connection with both attacks has been named in Norwegian television reports as Anders Behring Breivik.

Police are understood to have searched a flat in west Oslo where the man lived.

An anonymous police official said the suspect was arrested in Utoya and appears to have acted alone in the attacks.
He added he did not think the attacks were "linked to any international terrorist organisations" but seemed to be the work of a "madman".

Norway's TV2 claimed the suspect has links to right-wing extremism, without disclosing its sources.

Around 600 people were believed to be taking part in the summer camp on Utoya - most of whom were teenagers aged between 14 and 18.

Undetonated explosives were found on the island after police carried out a search.

The Prime Minister had been due to attend the event on Saturday.

Mr Stoltenberg said that Norway would gain strength from the attacks.

"We are a small country, but a very proud one," he said.

"Nobody can bomb us to be quiet. Nobody can shoot us to be quiet. Nobody can ever scare us from being Norway."

Sky's senior news correspondent Ian Woods is in Oslo and said that the island is around 20 miles from the capital.

He said that although police would not confirm whether other people were involved, it was possible the gunman had worked alone as there was a 90-minute gap between the two incidents.

The shooting took place on Utoya island - the site of a summer youth camp

Witnesses said the gunman moved across the small, wooded Utoya island firing at random as young people fled in fear.

Jorgen Benone was on the island and said he saw people being shot by the man.

He said he saw people jumping into the water to try and save themselves, but he thought that "many lost their lives trying to escape".

"I was terrified for my life - I thought of all the people I love," he said.

 

[pobox4701]

Yet the people killing libyans are heroes right? Typical of the world we live when some people seem less equal to other people. Funny how a few people die in norway and everyone is so upset and disgusted but 700 people get murdered in libya and people are like whatever collateral damage. Perhaps watch more news and see how many innocent people are killed daily by war. This type of bombing in norway is an everyday event for the people of liyba bs of course this is norway so people actually care

Sadly bud i view all people as equal and if nato wants to murder then they must accept it will be returned, war is a horrible thing but it seems it way worse when the realism of war hits those involved in it. Much easier dropping bombs and killing than having to face the same reality. Maybe norway will now realize that and change, perhaps they have just been given a glimpse of everyday life in libya now.

I don't spread FUD, just because i don't agree with how certain things are does not make it any less relevant. I never see threads about the hundreds killed in stupid incidents by the powers that be, let one terrorist kill a few people and boy the threads pile up but nato can happily drop 2000 bombs and murder civilians, nobody gets upset for those poor people.

Qaddafi warned Europe, he said very clearly he will bring the war to Europe and why not? If they want to bring war why should he not be allowed to counter? I never knew war was a one way street.


The world we live in so Fked up it's scary actually.

Norway is a democracy.Gadaffi is a dictator.Norway is not killing its own people.Are you keen for a pullout in Libya and Gadaffi carries on squashing any oppostion?

 

[phiber]

Qaddafi said he will wage his war in europe.

There were warnings, i actually hope it is qaddafi giving some medicine back to the countries involved in destroying liyba. If some civilians died well that is war for you i guess.

Collateral Damage? You should be a politician, not a person.