Any protest against eTolls is not futile. The more opposition that is shown, the more chance we have of showing SANRAL, the ANC, etc that we are tired of being sucked dry by their greedy schemes.No, I seem to recall them saying the court case is futile. You know, unlike their pointless protests which reaaaaally help.
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[May 2013..Dec 2013] The Gauteng E-tolling Thread
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OrbitalDawn
Ulysses Everett McGill
They know it, they don't care.
bekdik
Honorary Master
The DA's modus operandi is to form a collective team working for the people of the country, unlike the anc who run a Mafia dictatorship which panders only to its leadership.
saksakgp
Expert Member
I have known about GFIP for years now. I saw the roads being upgraded and gantries being built. I knew that SANRAL used other peoples money for the project and that the money will have to be paid back via tolls. I didn't oppose this back then and so I'm not opposing it now.
People have issue with the funding model and are proposing fuel levy increase in an ostensible attempt to spread the personal finacial burden. I don't agree with that, the one who uses the road must be the who pays for it. The one who uses it a lot will pay a lot, and the one who uses it a little will pay a little. I would agree with a fuel levy increase limited to Gauteng pumps to subsidise the e-tolls, that will spread the financial load a bit.
Talk about e-toll corruption should also include the construction companies who have admitted their corruption in projects including GFIP.
saksakgp
Expert Member
DA seems to have successfullt opposed tolls at concept stage in WC, they failed to do that with e-tolls.
TelkomUseless
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We already pay for usage on roads. Fuel Levy's and Paying licesensing fees.
Thingyyyyyy
Expert Member
years? How old are you?
ShaunSA
Derailment Squad
Is outsourcing your word of the day? :erm:
supersunbird
Honorary Master
A whole lot of the countries taxes are generated from Gauteng and spend on the other provinces and also their roads, thus it is not fair to use that as a reason to tax gauteng only in the fuel levy.
Another point is that the system is not fair since it does not toll all the user who uses the road, only the ones who drive under the gantries. One can drive between some sections and not pay a cent (Old Joburg Road to Samrand for example) but for a similar section you have to pay just because there is a gantry (Samrand Road to Olifantsfontein for example, and you pay as if using a whole 10km stretch). It is a wholy unjust and unfair system due to this and must be scraped or implimented correctly.
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OrbitalDawn
Ulysses Everett McGill
What about the gross inefficiency of the system, where 2/3rds will go to paying for the collection mechanism and not the actual road improvements/maintenance?
What about all the roads elsewhere in the country that gets paid for with tax money generated in Gauteng?
What about their refusal to disclose what funds collected from fuel levies are being used for? It's supposed to be for roads.
Vrotappel
Bulls fan
SANRAL is paying their lawyers with our money.
Vrotappel
Bulls fan
Pro-active is the word you are looking for.
Vrotappel
Bulls fan
Unfortunately SANRAL never played open cards on e-tolling. They lied to everybody.
LazyLion
King of de Jungle
SANRAL welcomes DA's donation
Sanral welcomed the DA's announcement on Friday that it would donate R1 million to Outa to help continue the legal battle against e-tolls.
"The fact that Outa will be able to face us in court is important. We believe that we have a strong legal case... ," SA National Roads Agency Limited (Sanral) spokesman Vusi Mona said in a statement.
"Outa has every right to have their voices heard, but it has come at great cost to South Africans and our economy."
Democratic Alliance spokesman Mmusi Maimane made the announcement on Friday morning.
"This is in response to Outa's public call on May 10 to assist with funding their court action," he said in a statement.
The Opposition to Urban Tolling Alliance (Outa) said it had raised over half a million rand from public donations since Thursday morning.
On Wednesday, Outa chair Wayne Duvenage said Outa might have to drop its court challenge to e-tolls on Gauteng's highways if it did not raise an extra R1 million in three weeks.
Mona said the DA's donation "came as no surprise".
"Sanral has long maintained that the DA has decided to politicise an issue which is essentially about infrastructural and economic development," he said.
"The move today by the DA effectively makes Outa its political proxy."
Mona said tolling remained the "only viable option" in terms of financing the Gauteng Freeway Improvement Project.
Outa has fought a lengthy court battle to prevent the implementation of e-tolls.
In April this year, Sanral said it would begin e-tolling on Gauteng roads within two months.
In April last year, the High Court in Pretoria granted Outa an interdict approving a full judicial review before electronic tolling could be put into effect.
The interdict prevented Sanral from levying or collecting e-tolls pending the outcome of a review. Sanral and the National Treasury appealed the court order.
In September last year, the Constitutional Court set aside the interim order, and in December the High Court in Pretoria dismissed Outa's application to scrap e-tolls.
The court granted Outa leave on January 25 this year to take the matter to the Supreme Court of Appeal in Bloemfontein.
The appeal is expected to be heard in September.
Source : Sapa /aa/hdw/jk/rod
Date : 07 Jun 2013 15:59
Sanral welcomed the DA's announcement on Friday that it would donate R1 million to Outa to help continue the legal battle against e-tolls.
"The fact that Outa will be able to face us in court is important. We believe that we have a strong legal case... ," SA National Roads Agency Limited (Sanral) spokesman Vusi Mona said in a statement.
"Outa has every right to have their voices heard, but it has come at great cost to South Africans and our economy."
Democratic Alliance spokesman Mmusi Maimane made the announcement on Friday morning.
"This is in response to Outa's public call on May 10 to assist with funding their court action," he said in a statement.
The Opposition to Urban Tolling Alliance (Outa) said it had raised over half a million rand from public donations since Thursday morning.
On Wednesday, Outa chair Wayne Duvenage said Outa might have to drop its court challenge to e-tolls on Gauteng's highways if it did not raise an extra R1 million in three weeks.
Mona said the DA's donation "came as no surprise".
"Sanral has long maintained that the DA has decided to politicise an issue which is essentially about infrastructural and economic development," he said.
"The move today by the DA effectively makes Outa its political proxy."
Mona said tolling remained the "only viable option" in terms of financing the Gauteng Freeway Improvement Project.
Outa has fought a lengthy court battle to prevent the implementation of e-tolls.
In April this year, Sanral said it would begin e-tolling on Gauteng roads within two months.
In April last year, the High Court in Pretoria granted Outa an interdict approving a full judicial review before electronic tolling could be put into effect.
The interdict prevented Sanral from levying or collecting e-tolls pending the outcome of a review. Sanral and the National Treasury appealed the court order.
In September last year, the Constitutional Court set aside the interim order, and in December the High Court in Pretoria dismissed Outa's application to scrap e-tolls.
The court granted Outa leave on January 25 this year to take the matter to the Supreme Court of Appeal in Bloemfontein.
The appeal is expected to be heard in September.
Source : Sapa /aa/hdw/jk/rod
Date : 07 Jun 2013 15:59
Mila
Honorary Master
bullS.
supersunbird
Honorary Master
LOL, if SANRAL wanted to toll and had been ready it would have been happening, the OUTA case has not stalled it one bit, its their own and governments inefficiencies.
LazyLion
King of de Jungle
OUTA Raises R2.35M after Plea!
The Opposition to Urban Tolling Alliance (Outa) has raised R2.35 million which will go towards its court challenge to e-tolling on Gauteng's highways, it said on Tuesday.
"Just five days later we are able to announce that over R1.35m was raised from the public, plus a further R1m contribution on Friday from the DA," Outa chairman Wayne Duvenage said in a statement.
"We certainly did not expect this significant answer to our call and want to thank each and every person and organisation that took the time to contribute."
Last week, Outa said it might have to drop its court challenge if it did not raise an extra R1m in three weeks. It had until June 21 to raise the money.
It had taken Outa a year to raise R8.4m, of which R6.7m came from 220 businesses, so to raise R2.3m in less than a week was a sign of the support for the anti-tolling campaign, said Duvenage.
Outa was now preparing its heads of argument for the forthcoming court battle.
However, Outa was concerned about the SA National Roads Agency Limited's (Sanral) indication that e-tolling would be launched in July.
"We are in for an interesting period if Sanral tries to introduce their toll plans, just two months prior to the court challenge which could very well rule that e-tolling must be halted," said Duvenage
"Sanral could find themselves in a quandary of having to refund customers, or press on with another appeal, in an ever-growing environment of rejection by society."
In April, Sanral said it would begin e-tolling on Gauteng roads within two months.
Last April, the High Court in Pretoria granted Outa an interdict approving a full judicial review before electronic tolling could be implemented.
The interdict prevented Sanral from levying or collecting e-tolls pending the outcome of the review. Sanral and the National Treasury appealed the court order.
In September, the Constitutional Court set aside the interim order. In December, the High Court in Pretoria dismissed Outa's application to scrap e-tolling.
The court granted Outa leave on January 25 to take the matter to the Supreme Court of Appeal in Bloemfontein. The appeal is expected to be heard on September 25 and 26.
Source : Sapa /gq/fg/ad/th
Date : 11 Jun 2013 10:36
The Opposition to Urban Tolling Alliance (Outa) has raised R2.35 million which will go towards its court challenge to e-tolling on Gauteng's highways, it said on Tuesday.
"Just five days later we are able to announce that over R1.35m was raised from the public, plus a further R1m contribution on Friday from the DA," Outa chairman Wayne Duvenage said in a statement.
"We certainly did not expect this significant answer to our call and want to thank each and every person and organisation that took the time to contribute."
Last week, Outa said it might have to drop its court challenge if it did not raise an extra R1m in three weeks. It had until June 21 to raise the money.
It had taken Outa a year to raise R8.4m, of which R6.7m came from 220 businesses, so to raise R2.3m in less than a week was a sign of the support for the anti-tolling campaign, said Duvenage.
Outa was now preparing its heads of argument for the forthcoming court battle.
However, Outa was concerned about the SA National Roads Agency Limited's (Sanral) indication that e-tolling would be launched in July.
"We are in for an interesting period if Sanral tries to introduce their toll plans, just two months prior to the court challenge which could very well rule that e-tolling must be halted," said Duvenage
"Sanral could find themselves in a quandary of having to refund customers, or press on with another appeal, in an ever-growing environment of rejection by society."
In April, Sanral said it would begin e-tolling on Gauteng roads within two months.
Last April, the High Court in Pretoria granted Outa an interdict approving a full judicial review before electronic tolling could be implemented.
The interdict prevented Sanral from levying or collecting e-tolls pending the outcome of the review. Sanral and the National Treasury appealed the court order.
In September, the Constitutional Court set aside the interim order. In December, the High Court in Pretoria dismissed Outa's application to scrap e-tolling.
The court granted Outa leave on January 25 to take the matter to the Supreme Court of Appeal in Bloemfontein. The appeal is expected to be heard on September 25 and 26.
Source : Sapa /gq/fg/ad/th
Date : 11 Jun 2013 10:36
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