[May 2013..Dec 2013] The Gauteng E-tolling Thread

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That is a very informative and opinionated post, do you have links to back up your claims?

 

[BigAl-sa]

That is a very informative and opinionated post, do you have links to back up your claims?

+1
We're not even sure whether the ellipsis is in English or one of the modern computer languages!

 

[OrbitalDawn]

That is a very informative and opinionated post, do you have links to back up your claims?

Maybe it's Vusi Mona scoping out the competition?

 

[saksakgp]

People are parting with their money.

 

[supersunbird]

People are parting with their money.

I am still waiting for a reply to the following post which I made when you said you agree the users should pay:

A whole lot of the countries taxes are generated from Gauteng and spend on the other provinces and also their roads, thus it is not fair to use that as a reason to tax gauteng only in the fuel levy.

Another point is that the system is not fair since it does not toll all the user who uses the road, only the ones who drive under the gantries. One can drive between some sections and not pay a cent (Old Joburg Road to Samrand for example) but for a similar section you have to pay just because there is a gantry (Samrand Road to Olifantsfontein for example, and you pay as if using a whole 10km stretch). It is a wholy unjust and unfair system due to this and must be scraped or implimented correctly.

 

[OrbitalDawn]

I am still waiting for a reply to the follwing post which I made when you said you agree the users should pay:

Didn't respond to my post either.

 

[LazyLion]

People are parting with their money.

Have you only just figured this out now?

 

[saksakgp]

I am still waiting for a reply to the following post which I made when you said you agree the users should pay:

Didn't respond to my post either.

I did ignore you guys because I didn't want to get into a long debate. My view on e-tolls is clear.

 

[saksakgp]

Have you only just figured this out now?

Ja, I've only figured out the foolishness of it now.

 

[LazyLion]

Ja, I've only figured out the foolishness of it now.

OUTA's fund raising campaign has been going for more than a year now, about time you woke up.

 

[OMB]

I did ignore you guys because I didn't want to get into a long debate. My view on e-tolls is clear.

if somewhat misguided

 

[supersunbird]

I did ignore you guys because I didn't want to get into a long debate. My view on e-tolls is clear.

And it clear that only some users pay, so your views are incorrect. Say I get on the highway and Samrand and I get off at New Road I am paying a whole ~R3 for a whole 4km of driving...

 

[saksakgp]

And it clear that only some users pay, so your views are incorrect. Say I get on the highway and Samrand and I get off at New Road I am paying a whole ~R3 for a whole 4km of driving...

It's urban tolling bra. Being against the entire system simply because some will enjoy free minimal use is silly.

 

[supersunbird]

It's urban tolling bra. Being against the entire system simply because some will enjoy free minimal use is silly.

If fairness is silly then so be it, I am then silly. And is it user pays or not? All other toll systems in the country work correctly in that your are tolled on some of the offramps and onramps at some spots where required.

 

[Sinbad]

Kapsch AG announces imminent revenue stream

Kapsch are the people who are profiting from eTolling - and this is how much:


http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2013-...n-toll-road-revenue-boost-coming-in-july.html

Kapsch TrafficCom AG (KTCG), the Austrian maker of toll-road systems, said it would get an annual revenue boost of more than 50 million euros ($66.4 million) from a delayed South African project that may start next month.
“All judicial and parliamentary hurdles are out of the way,” board member Andre Laux said at a press conference in Vienna today. The system, which has faced opposition from road users, labor unions and car rental agencies, is expected to go live by mid-July, he said.
The South African government plans to charge road users in Gauteng, South Africa’s most populous province, after hundreds protested against the project in Johannesburg and the capital, Pretoria. The South African National Roads Agency SOC Ltd., or SANRAL, borrowed about 20 billion-rand ($2.2 billion) to build and improve roads in Gauteng without the tolls.
The tolling system “is currently working,” Vusi Mona, head of communications at SANRAL, said in an e-mailed response to questions. “Official toll commencement date has not yet been communicated, it will be communicated soon.”
Kapsch’s shares rose as much as 2 percent in Vienna and traded 0.6 percent higher at 38.88 euros by 2:46 p.m. The stock has declined 18 percent this year.

 

[blunomore]

“All judicial and parliamentary hurdles are out of the way,” board member Andre Laux said at a press conference in Vienna today.

Now you just need to get past the citizens of the country

 

[OMB]

oh I love this bit

The South African system will provide annual revenue of “significantly more than 50 million euros” for eight years, Kapsch’s Laux said. Total revenue in the last fiscal year fell 11 percent to 488.9 million euros. The company doesn’t disclose margins for individual projects, Chief Executive Officer Georg Kapsch said at the press conference.

so if I read that correctly that equates to 400 million euros or over R5 billion at today's exchange rate?

 

[Budza]

oh I love this bit



so if I read that correctly that equates to 400 million euros or over R5 billion at today's exchange rate?

Boggles the brainbox.

 

[RaptorSA]

Hahaha... good luck with that.

 

[OMB]

This is the kind of info that supporters of etrolling need to understand