[May 2013..Dec 2013] The Gauteng E-tolling Thread

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Well, I am sure most of us won't buy tags but will end up paying anyway?
 
I'll pay when I absolutely have to, after they've proven to my satisfaction that it was in fact me on the road at that time and place.
 
GhostSixFour said:
Anyone want to join my business? I plan on getting a bucket and sell mud smears at the onramps for R5 a smear :)
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Not a bad idea. Perhaps those same guys that wash your windscreen at the onramp traffic light can also give you a mud smear as an extra service
 
Business had expressed concerns about the impact on business.
"We have learnt many lessons from this project, one of them being that it will take some time to reverse the legacy of colonialism and apartheid planning," said Peters.
"Apartheid spatial planning never envisaged a situation where Gauteng would be as populated as it is today, mainly due to the influx of people from different provinces for economic reasons."
She said government had made several concessions to minimise the financial burden on the e-tolled road network.
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The cow had to bring apartheid and colonialism into it, didn’t she?
 
I see its now apartheids fault, this e-toll evil, according the ANC minister :D

I still don't get the commerical reason why taxis and buses are exempt at all.
If they e-tag up they pay like max R500 per month.
Divide that over the number of passengers they transport every month and I doubt it has any impact at all.

The guv is just petrified of the violent action these thugs would bring if they were forced to pay.
Perhaps the general public needs to up their game in this respect as the government is clearly not interested in listening to reason at all.
 
Sneeky said:
I see its now apartheids fault, this e-toll evil, according the ANC minister :D

I still don't get the commerical reason why taxis and buses are exempt at all.
If they e-tag up they pay like max R500 per month.
Divide that over the number of passengers they transport every month and I doubt it has any impact at all.

The guv is just petrified of the violent action these thugs would bring if they were forced to pay.
Perhaps the general public needs to up their game in this respect as the government is clearly not interested in listening to reason at all.
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Easy call for them to make... Most South Africans will huff and puff but take it anyway. Taxi drivers and owners get out their guns and that makes for bad PR.
 
Sneeky said:
I still don't get the commerical reason why taxis and buses are exempt at all.
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Nevermind them, think about the other vehicles which are not exempt but are technically exempt (i.e. use taxpayer money). Regarding the fleets of the 12 municipalities in Gauteng; I honestly can’t wait for the first article about how much they are in debt with Sanral.

It is then also worth wondering how soon there will be some kind of tax increase to generate the extra revenue required by the municipalities to pay Sanral.
 
Tander said:
Every month.. sounds like a lot of admin?
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My small part in the resistance. If everyone does it they will be so snowed under...
I think given the ease with which number plates are stolen or cloned, I'm perfectly within my rights to look for a photo of my face for every transaction - and in fact I'd be negligent to do otherwise.
 
Sinbad said:
My small part in the resistance. If everyone does it they will be so snowed under...
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So how would you do this?

Get the amount owing..

1. Write letter asking for evidence, etc,
2. Wait for said evidence - pay up.

What if SANRAL say "We know you went through the gates - so pay" and follow their normal process with violations?

Asking because I want to give them as much resistance as possible, too - without a legal battle in court every month.
 
Tander said:
So how would you do this?

Get the amount owing..

1. Write letter asking for evidence, etc,
2. Wait for said evidence - pay up.

What if SANRAL say "We know you went through the gates - so pay" and follow their normal process with violations?

Asking because I want to give them as much resistance as possible, too - without a legal battle in court every month.
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There is a 'Dispute' button of sorts on the Sanral e-Toll site. I wanted to link to it, but I think the public's morbid curiosity is DDoS-ing the site. :D
 
muazzamb said:
Not a bad idea. Perhaps those same guys that wash your windscreen at the onramp traffic light can also give you a mud smear as an extra service
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They should have guys at the offramp to clean it off again as well.
 
Tander said:
So how would you do this?

Get the amount owing..

1. Write letter asking for evidence, etc,
2. Wait for said evidence - pay up.

What if SANRAL say "We know you went through the gates - so pay" and follow their normal process with violations?

Asking because I want to give them as much resistance as possible, too - without a legal battle in court every month.
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SANRAL will go ahead with their collections process anyway.
but you just need to keep all of your correspondence with them.
You should preface each and every letter with the statement "I fully intend to pay for my usage when proven".
If you should ever end up in court the judge will take into account your correspondence and intention to pay.
SANRAL will argue that they are not subject to the regulations of the National Credit Act, but sooner or later somebody is going to challenge the constitutionality of that as well and SANRAL will lose that legal battle.

Once you have received the final notice you can proceed to pay.
The point is to create as much admin and delay as possible.
If you really want to push it, you can actually wait for several final letters of demand, because they are unlikely to begin debt recovery processes or legal action for such small amounts of money, but they will add recovery costs and interest to your account.
 
Garyvdh said:
SANRAL will go ahead with their collections process anyway.
but you just need to keep all of your correspondence with them.
You should preface each and every letter with the statement "I fully intend to pay for my usage when proven".
If you should ever end up in court the judge will take into account your correspondence and intention to pay.
SANRAL will argue that they are not subject to the regulations of the National Credit Act, but sooner or later somebody is going to challenge the constitutionality of that as well and SANRAL will lose that legal battle.

Once you have received the final notice you can proceed to pay.
The point is to create as much admin and delay as possible.
If you really want to push it, you can actually wait for several final letters of demand, because they are unlikely to begin debt recovery processes or legal action for such small amounts of money, but they will add recovery costs and interest to your account.
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Sounds like the way to go, I will give them as much resistance as possible.
 
Business had expressed concerns about the impact on business.
"We have learnt many lessons from this project, one of them being that it will take some time to reverse the legacy of colonialism and apartheid planning," said Peters.
"Apartheid spatial planning never envisaged a situation where Gauteng would be as populated as it is today, mainly due to the influx of people from different provinces for economic reasons."
She said government had made several concessions to minimise the financial burden on the e-tolled road network.
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We also never envisaged that government could be taken over by scum like the ANC-government and Zuma who steals from the public purse with impunity.

One thing present government hasn't learned is the backlash from oppressed citizens. Yes I know the shoe was on the other foot not too long ago, but e-tolling could be the ANC's Sharpeville .. the uprising where the people finally say we've had enough of criminals posing as officials robbing us of our money.

If the ANC had any 'spatial planning' abilities they would see that if everyone's coming to Gauteng for economic reasons, it should make economic sense to keep Gauteng's fuel levy for Gauteng's roads.

Pity blaming apartheid on your greed & lack of thinking is such an easy way out.
 
However, both Outa head, Wayne Duvenage, and chairman of Justice Project South Africa (JPSA), Howard Dembovsky believe that Sanral and the Electronic Toll Collection (ETC) company are in for a rude awakening.

“Given the fact that some 600,000 e-tags have allegedly been sold, at the very least, the quantum of individuals who will be regarded to be e-toll transgressors could be in the order of one million people or more per day,” Dembovsky said in October.

Even if Sanral decides to combine all of the transgressions committed by each e-toll transgressor into a single summons over a period of a month, this would mean that 1 million matters will have to be set down for trial each month, Dembovsky said.

“You really don’t have to be a professor of applied mathematics to calculate that it will be physically impossible for the courts to handle these volumes,” the JSPA chairman said.

http://businesstech.co.za/news/government/49748/no-special-e-toll-courts-minister/
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That is all. Sanral/government, you have been warned.
 
Garyvdh said:
SANRAL will argue that they are not subject to the regulations of the National Credit Act, but sooner or later somebody is going to challenge the constitutionality of that as well and SANRAL will lose that legal battle.
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I'm not so sure about that. If I understand correctly, the changes to the law makes using the toll road (i.e. passing under a gantry) equivalent to getting a speeding fine. So in the same way that the metro police are not issuing credit to you, neither is SANRAL.

edit: it's SANRAL spin, but here's where I read it.
 
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