[May 2013..Dec 2013] The Gauteng E-tolling Thread

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Garyvdh said:
A hefty bill awaits non-registered motorists without e-toll accounts who fail to pay for e-tolling within a week.

Such an individual would end up paying nearly six times more in toll fees, according to the SA National Roads Agency Limited website.
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Working from the assumption that SANRAL wants us all to get tagged, registered and pay: does this mean that every non-tagged, non-registered, paying individual will prop up 5 defaulters? So conceivably a 16.7% compliance rate by alternative users will keep SANRAL afloat…
 
CR34M3 said:
Using the truck numbers with a 100% compliance by trucks, how does the total monthly income split look between the cost brackets?
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That's what I calculated there - 100% truck compliance, and variable compliance by ordinary motorists...

Also, noting that trucks have a monthly cap of R3500 (tagged), how is this number related to the inflation limit on price increases? Could the increase of the cap by more than inflation be challenged legally?
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First point - I'm not 100% sure what you're asking.
Second point - probably...
 
My masters thesis wasn't as complicated as the methods of collection for etolls. :erm:
 
Sorry, let me rephrase:
DJ... said:
That's what I calculated there - 100% truck compliance, and variable compliance by ordinary motorists...
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How big a portion of the total income generated by SANRAL each month will come from trucks? Your graph only indicates the monthly payment. (unless I’m misinterpreting :) )
First point - I'm not 100% sure what you're asking.
Second point - probably...
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I was under the impression that toll tariff increases are bound to the inflation rate. As per your graphs showing required yearly increases the cap will be quickly reached unless it is increased accordingly. I was just wondering if the same rules applied to the monthly cap and, if not, if it could become a legal problem for SANRAL.
 
OrbitalDawn said:
Point being they don't want to make themselves a target. SANRAL will jump at the opportunity to hammer them for non-compliance. It'll be a PR exercise. As an individual you can possibly tell them to get fscked, but large companies can't hide and wait for others to take the hit.
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Then they should remain deathly quiet on it, and not say something that can be construed as being positive about the system.

AlphaBravo said:
I'm going to have to let my garden engineer go so that I can pay for E-tolls. Damn shame.
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Just make damn sure that he knows why is being let go, and tell him if e-tolls are cancelled he can have his job back.
 
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Interesting to note that truck compliance is user compliance.

Tucking companies pass the cost on to the retailers... pass the cost on to you.

Trucks pay = you pay. Welcome to eTolls.
 
CR34M3 said:
Sorry, let me rephrase:

How big a portion of the total income generated by SANRAL each month will come from trucks? Your graph only indicates the monthly payment. (unless I’m misinterpreting :) )
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Well it depends on what scenario we play out. At 100% compliance across the board, and using the numbers I had to generate for them to effectively break even, about 55%...

I was under the impression that toll tariff increases are bound to the inflation rate. As per your graphs showing required yearly increases the cap will be quickly reached unless it is increased accordingly. I was just wondering if the same rules applied to the monthly cap and, if not, if it could become a legal problem for SANRAL.
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The annual increases are legislated but I'm not 100% sure about the monthly caps. I believe the caps can be increased as they're not a part of the annual increase legislation. I might be wrong...
 
Garyvdh said:
A hefty bill awaits non-registered motorists without e-toll accounts who fail to pay for e-tolling within a week.

Such an individual would end up paying nearly six times more in toll fees, according to the SA National Roads Agency Limited website.

Sanral says tariffs differ depending on whether motorists have both an e-toll account and an e-tag, or having an e-tag without an e-toll account.

Those without both would end up paying much more.

Motorists with e-toll accounts are registered, and those without are non-registered.

If a driver with a VW Volkswagen (Class A2) does not have an e-toll account and an e-tag, and his daily trip consists of passing the Barbet e-toll gantry on the N1 between Watermeyer and Lynnwood Road, he will have to pay R3.48, according to the website.

"However, if he does not pay within seven days of passing the Barbet e-toll gantry, he will be classified as an alternative user and would need to pay R10.44," says Sanral.

A registered e-tag user with the same vehicle, driving the exact same stretch of road will pay R1.80 if paid within a week of passing the gantry, his e-toll account is up to date, and he qualifies for the 'time of day' and 'frequent user' discount.

A registered VLN user driving the same vehicle on the same stretch of road will pay R3.48 because he does not have an e-tag.

"Because he is registered, is paying within seven days of passing the Barbet e-toll gantry, and his e-toll account is up-to-date, he qualifies for the time of day discount," said Sanral on the website.

A non-registered e-tag user will pay R3.48 with the same vehicle on the same stretch of road.

The agency said should a road user not have an e-toll account, or a day pass, the motorist can pay within a seven day grace period from the time he or she passed the gantry.


Source : Sapa /mar/hdw/ks/jje
Date : 26 Nov 2013 14:22
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Still no explanation of how they're planning on informing an unregistered victim within 7 days. Unless, of course, they have no intention of doing so.
 
garp said:
Still no explanation of how they're planning on informing an unregistered victim within 7 days. Unless, of course, they have no intention of doing so.
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They have no intention of doing so. Because it's a tax bill it's your responsibility to find out about it and not theirs to tell you about it and make sure that you know about it. Bunch of crap if you ask me.
 
I am still wondering if the Sanral fearmongering and propaganda does not scare people into buying the e-tag. In my 20 years in this country I have yet to observe any form of consumerism demonstrated by the greater public. The typical MO is that everyone complains and is outraged, but when 3rd of December arrives a ton of people will queue up at an e-toll outlet, sharing a sixpack and a braai and happily buy the tag and welcome how much money they now saved.

It will be a pleasant surprise if for once citizens stand together and educate government what true democracy is.
 
MagicDude4Eva said:
I am still wondering if the Sanral fearmongering and propaganda does not scare people into buying the e-tag. In my 20 years in this country I have yet to observe any form of consumerism demonstrated by the greater public. The typical MO is that everyone complains and is outraged, but when 3rd of December arrives a ton of people will queue up at an e-toll outlet, sharing a sixpack and a braai and happily buy the tag and welcome how much money they now saved.

It will be a pleasant surprise if for once citizens stand together and educate government what true democracy is.
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Agreed! The ONLY way we can be defeated here is if people cave to their demands.
 
The Gauteng E-tolling Thread

@MD4E

I agree. SA people are jammergatte. But this time it feels different. I have never seen the middle class this angry. They are moving away from apathy to anger. And this are the people that pay taxes. They are also so deep in debt, most can't afford the etolls. It sounds like a generalization, but the stats don't lie. 75% of disposable income goes to debt payments. This is average.

The irony is that the fearmongering is done by a company, not government. I don't hear the NPA, police, metro and justice making etolls statements.

@Wyzak. Not sure that it is a tax law.
 
Wyzak said:
They have no intention of doing so. Because it's a tax bill it's your responsibility to find out about it and not theirs to tell you about it and make sure that you know about it. Bunch of crap if you ask me.
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I can't see how that makes sense. How am I supposed to know what amount to pay within 7 days? Basically, they are going to make it impossible to pay within 7 days unless you are registered, which involves entering into a contract with them.

I will still rather risk paying more and wait for them to notify me legally by registered letter of my indebtedness following which I will have 28 days to settle - this is common law which AFAIK applies as long as you don't register. If we all do this, there is a good chance you will pay nothing as the system will not be able to handle this.

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What do you mean by "tax bill"?
 
MagicDude4Eva said:
I am still wondering if the Sanral fearmongering and propaganda does not scare people into buying the e-tag. In my 20 years in this country I have yet to observe any form of consumerism demonstrated by the greater public. The typical MO is that everyone complains and is outraged, but when 3rd of December arrives a ton of people will queue up at an e-toll outlet, sharing a sixpack and a braai and happily buy the tag and welcome how much money they now saved.

It will be a pleasant surprise if for once citizens stand together and educate government what true democracy is.
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sad but true
 
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