[May 2013..Dec 2013] The Gauteng E-tolling Thread

[Jola]

I just bought a fancy new GPS with custom avoidances that allows me to specify the eToll gates as objects to be avoided when determining routes.

Very few GPS's can do this - avoiding toll roads does not do the trick, and most navigation devices only have this.

 

[creeper]

I've already mapped out my route to work and back, avoiding the eToll highways for a few weeks. I'd rather just not pay a cent to these *******s.

I suspect this is what most people will do. Avoid etoll roads and follow a wait-and-see approach.

 

[biometrics]

I just bought a fancy new GPS with custom avoidances that allows me to specify the eToll gates as objects to be avoided when determining routes.

Very few GPS's can do this - avoiding toll roads does not do the trick, and most navigation devices only have this.

Brand/model/price?

 

[Priapus]

I suspect this is what most people will do. Avoid etoll roads and follow a wait-and-see approach.

I suspect the same. However, we need people to test out the system properly by not paying. I'm only avoiding the highways for December - when most of Gauteng will be down South. Come second week of January - I'll just use the highways and will make it as difficult as humanly possible for SANRAL to get their pound of flesh from me.

 

[Jola]

Brand/model/price?

Garmin 3597 on special at Makro for R3299 - has lifetime maps, Bluetooth, etc, etc.

There are some cheaper models that can do this, such as the 2497, but make sure that the model can do this because the low-end models cannot.

 

[Paul_S]

I just bought a fancy new GPS with custom avoidances that allows me to specify the eToll gates as objects to be avoided when determining routes.
Very few GPS's can do this - avoiding toll roads does not do the trick, and most navigation devices only have this.

The TomTom Navigation app on my Android phone has had the GFIP e-toll gantries listed as toll routes for some time now.
I just tell it to avoid toll routes when I plan a trip - no need to enter custom waypoints to avoid.

 

[Jola]

AFAIK TomTom does not have custom avoidances.

Avoid toll roads is the last thing that you want to do, even the cheapest GPS can do this.

You do need a fancy GPS to handle the etoll gates.

Neither Google Maps, nor Waze, nor Sygic can handle this.

Waze has a custom avoidance, but it will be cancelled by other users, so is of no use.

 

[Paul_S]

AFAIK TomTom does not have custom avoidances.
Avoid toll roads is the last thing that you want to do, even the cheapest GPS can do this.

I don't get it. So you want to drive on the tolled routes?
Why enter avoidance points then?
Or are you trying to just use specific sections of road which don't have gantries between an onramp and offramp?

 

[Albereth]

I don't get it. So you want to drive on the tolled routes?
Why enter avoidance points then?
Or are you trying to just use specific sections of road which don't have gantries between an onramp and offramp?

No - he is on about specific tolls, not all tolls. How do you get to Durban, for example.

 

[Jola]

I don't get it. So you want to drive on the tolled routes?
Why enter avoidance points then?

Yes, I want to drive on the tolled roads without going through etoll gates.

 

[Albereth]

Yes, I want to drive on the tolled roads without going through etoll gates.

This too - so it'll pop you on at William Nicol and off again at Malibongwe for example.

 

[Jola]

This too - so it'll pop you on at William Nicol and off again at Malibongwe for example.

Exactly.

I can drive to ORT without going through an etoll gate, but need a custom avoidance on the way back - and I don't know Isando, Boksburg, etc.

 

[CR34M3]

Let's smile a bit this morning
Gauteng Road Users Giving e-Tolls The "Thumbs Up"

Question: come next week Tuesday, will the N1/Stormvoël toll plaza close? Or is it deemed necessary to toll us some more for those last few kilometers after the Lynwood gantry?

 

[Jola]

Over time there will be many more toll gates.

 

[supersunbird]

I don't get it. So you want to drive on the tolled routes?
Why enter avoidance points then?
Or are you trying to just use specific sections of road which don't have gantries between an onramp and offramp?

Exploiting the inherently flawed system. I wish I could ask Vusi Mona or Nazir Alli about this poor implementation. Someone getting on via Samrand onto the N1 south and will immediately be tolled as if they did a full 10km. The same with getting onto the R21 from Pretoria, just a unfair system.

 

[Wyzak]

PS:
What do you mean by "tax bill"?

They will claim it is a tax bill, so you can't say oh sorry I didn't know about it to avoid it. Ignorance isn't an excuse to break the law scenario.

So, according to this link you have up to 59 days to pay:

http://www.sanral.co.za/e-toll/index.php?gort_xml+template~~menu/main~~L1_11845~~ENG~~~~~~

Yes technically you do, but they double the outstanding price after 7 days and then again after 30 days...

http://www.fin24.com/Economy/Sanral-twisting-our-words-Sacci-20131126

What *******s

I finally saw a car fitted with a E-Tag yesterday. A elderly Ford driven by a old couple.

Shame, I wouldn't want to have an e-tag in my car for fear of it being vandalised over and above everything else that's wrong with it.

Exploiting the inherently flawed system. I wish I could ask Vusi Mona or Nazir Alli about this poor implementation. Someone getting on via Samrand onto the N1 south and will immediately be tolled as if they did a full 10km. The same with getting onto the R21 from Pretoria, just a unfair system.

The same thing happens on all toll roads you don't pay based on the distance you travel, you pay a fixed price for the gantry or not. SANRAL have been deceitful about this from the very start with their price/km quotes. There will be hell to pay when the ignorant public realizes that it isn't actually price/km and that each gantry has a fixed price.

 

[MagicDude4Eva]

If anyone is using Waze, could you perhaps confirm if Waze reroutes off the toll-sections for e-tolling? If not, then we should perhaps submit Waze updates to mark them as such? This would require the frequent Wazers to annotate the routes via Waze map-editor - https://www.waze.com/editor/

 

[Lupus]

This too - so it'll pop you on at William Nicol and off again at Malibongwe for example.

It's actually quite a mission through the backroads from William Nicol to Malibongwe :-( than again it's a mission to get on and off the highways between those two points anyway. A week ago I left Sloane street at 4pm, I only got on to the highway a km away at 4:30, it took almost as long to get off again.

 

[Jola]

If anyone is using Waze, could you perhaps confirm if Waze reroutes off the toll-sections for e-tolling? If not, then we should perhaps submit Waze updates to mark them as such? This would require the frequent Wazers to annotate the routes via Waze map-editor - https://www.waze.com/editor/

It can, but if other users go through the toll gates it will reinstate that route.

They will have to change the software so that individual users can force the etoll gates to remain to be a hard avoidance.

 

[supersunbird]

The same thing happens on all toll roads you don't pay based on the distance you travel, you pay a fixed price for the gantry or not. SANRAL have been deceitful about this from the very start with their price/km quotes. There will be hell to pay when the ignorant public realizes that it isn't actually price/km and that each gantry has a fixed price.

N1 between Polokwane and Pretoria, many off-ramps and onramps also have tollgates which makes it fairer.