Looks like my numbers were bout right...
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[May 2013..Dec 2013] The Gauteng E-tolling Thread
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Looks like my numbers were bout right...
Interesting, on their first point though, if they (FF puhlus) win, wont they '(Guv) then be technically forced to announce another launch date, 14 days from that announcement date as the others were hogwash?
LazyLion
King of de Jungle
SANRAL unaware of e-tags sold
The SA National Roads Agency Limited (Sanral) cannot provide the exact number of e-tags sold, it said on Wednesday.
"We have not collated our figures. We should have them by the end of the week," Sanral spokesman Vusi Mona said.
He was responding to Sapa's inquiries about the number of e-tags sold to individuals, to government departments, and to companies.
"However, from anecdotal evidence, the number of people visiting our stores for registration is increasing," he said.
Last week, Transport Minister Dipuo Peters announced that e-tolling in Gauteng would begin on December 3.
Several organisations, trade unions, and political parties said they were disappointed by the move.
Source : Sapa /ge/fg/jk/th
Date : 27 Nov 2013 10:28
The SA National Roads Agency Limited (Sanral) cannot provide the exact number of e-tags sold, it said on Wednesday.
"We have not collated our figures. We should have them by the end of the week," Sanral spokesman Vusi Mona said.
He was responding to Sapa's inquiries about the number of e-tags sold to individuals, to government departments, and to companies.
"However, from anecdotal evidence, the number of people visiting our stores for registration is increasing," he said.
Last week, Transport Minister Dipuo Peters announced that e-tolling in Gauteng would begin on December 3.
Several organisations, trade unions, and political parties said they were disappointed by the move.
Source : Sapa /ge/fg/jk/th
Date : 27 Nov 2013 10:28
blunomore
Honorary Master
Need time to fabricate ghost buyers.
MrGray
Honorary Master
Liars.
If nothing else they must know EXACTLY how many *registered* users they have, here I'll help them:
Select Count(*) as SuckerCount from Victims
Perhaps not if you believe the current inflation value is accurate. I think we are already much closer to 10%.
Yeah, they want us to believe that their systems are extraordinary, yet they can't tell how many people have registered on the system. What bullschit. It is propaganda they are embarking on - not PR. They should be taken to task for it, but I'm not sure who one can complain to. Press ombudsman? No. ASA? No. I just don't know what recourse one has when a government official lies to the public outside of parliament...
blunomore
Honorary Master
HOW TO LEGALLY NOT PAY FOR eTOLLS
So kids, by way of a public service announcement, here is a 100% legal, fully above board way to NOT pay e-tolls....
1) Do not buy an eTag.
2) After the first 4-6 weeks of passing through toll gantries, send SANRAL a registered letter, expressing your concern, that for the last 4- 6 weeks you have not received a payment request from them. You must state that you are COMPLETELY willing to pay the toll fees, but this cannot be carried out without a detailed invoice. Unreliable postal services could be to blame, so please would they send you your invoice by registered mail, to ensure you receive it. (This is a fully legal AARTO requirement for any letter of demand.)
3) Make a photocopy of your letter, get a COMMISSIONER OF OATHS to stamp the copy, and keep your registered mail receipt. Such a request could take months to be settled, and if you are fortunate, never at all due to the sheer volume of similar requests received. Should you finally receive a notification that a registered letter has arrived for you, take as long as possible to collect it. This method is based upon the fact that they do not use registered mail to send invoices. If one considers the past history of all traffic fines received, these all arrive by normal mail to prevent the high costs of registering letters.
4)Should SANRAL surprisingly, after a lengthy period, comply with (1) above, then send them a second CERTIFIED letter by registered post, requesting that they send you a photograph for every single gantry you have passed under for that month, proving that is was your car you that is being invoiced.( Perfectly legal and reasonable request from any motorist ). Such photographs obviously, you must request to also be sent by registered mail to ensure delivery. Also takes weeks to collect such registered mail, should it in the unlikely event, ever be posted. Explain that you have heard that certain motorists are using illegal false number plates and you therefore require the photographs to prove that it is definitely your cat that is being charged. Such a request could takes months to be settled, or if you are very fortunate, never. Consider the sheer volume of requests they should by now have received. If their system is not set up for such requests, which I am almost positive is the case. (Hope I am not wrong on this one) Can you imagine the difficulties and problem they will have, in trying to MANUALLY comply with the thousands upon thousands of similar requests received. To be really difficult, how about querying some of the less clear photographs taken at night. Even if they come back to you asserting that the photographs are in their opinion, all perfectly readable, further delays will have been successfully applied.
5) Should SANRAL try to speed up communications by requesting your e-mail or fax number, or send you SMS’s, or trying direct contact by phone, I have considered very simple ways of negating each of such requests. I am not mentioning any of these methods, as I want to keep this article 100% above board, and free of any questionable actions.
6)In the unlikely event that all the above somehow be resolved, than obviously pay, but only for that particular month under review.
7)Start the whole lengthy procedure all over again, 4-6 weeks after the termination of the second month’s toll fees due. Continue with the same, for every individual month that follows.
Shouldnt take long for the whole system to fall over, if just 10% of the drivers do this.....
Well, you either disagree with the basket and weightings or you don't. I don't have that much of an issue with it as it stands, even though it does allow for a little manipulation. I don't think we're close to 10% yet...
MrGray
Honorary Master
The weightings are completely out of whack for the average middle class Joburger who is paying 25% more for electricity annually, drives more than the national average in gridlocked traffic - i.e. impacted by huge fuel cost increases, not to mention the cost of Woolworths pre-made meals
- I would conservatively estimate the effective increased cost of living over the last year for some demographics at much more than 10%, closer to 20%.
MrGray
Honorary Master
I agree that we need to work out the optimal way to bork the system, but unfortunately they have already thought of this and the law was actually changed to make the owner of the vehicle legally responsible for the toll, with no requirement for invoicing:
:twisted:They definitely have no intention of invoicing:
MrGray
Honorary Master
blunomore
Honorary Master
So..... if you contact the call centre they simply intend giving you a random amount over the phone and that is what you must pay?? Nothing in writing?
How do you account for the expense without an invoice or claim VAT - or are these tolls VAT exempt.
The weightings are completely out of whack for the average middle class Joburger who is paying 25% more for electricity annually, drives more than the national average in gridlocked traffic - i.e. impacted by huge fuel cost increases, not to mention the cost of Woolworths pre-made meals
But inflation is a macro-measurement to begin with, and the weightings take into account demographics. You can always measure your own micro-inflation, but it doesn't have any bearing on economic factors relating to inflation...
Coincidentally, that is the same inflationary impact I measured on the trucking industry...
MrGray
Honorary Master
Sure, but it does allude to the added financial pressure that a significant sector of people in Joburg must be experiencing and given that it is the same group of people that are generally the engine of business in an area that is supposedly the engine of the economy it must ultimately have some impact.
MrGray
Honorary Master
You will probably get a receipt on payment.
And I'm guessing they're going to be really underhanded and force you to register (thus agreeing to their contract) as part of the payment process.
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