money problems with girls

[Jola]

So basically your girlfriend is a drunk?

Move on.

You read it wrong, he is the drunk.

 

[Verde]

I'm merely making rather obvious connections between feminism, two income households, inflation and rampant property prices.

The fact is the more money the middle class have access to the less value it has. The fact is middle class families have more but less valuable money these days because families general have at least two incomes these days. Families have two incomes these day because of feminism.

This argument flies in the face of basic economic theory. If the cause of more money circulating through the economy is a more productive economy, then economic theory predicts no inflation. An economy which finds productive employment for the other half of its population will obviously be more productive, this is a real increase in wealth which theoretically should not lead to inflation.

 

[Nick333]

Anyway, the way you and Nick are talking it sounds like you think it's a bad thing that households now earn two incomes. Would you have preferred women stay financially dependent on men, staying at home and looking after the kids like good little housewives while the men are away earning the bread and butter?

Let me phrase my answer to at least give you some food for thought before your knee-jerk reaction: the majority of people hate their jobs. They do crappy unfulfilling work in order to pay their bills, send their kids to school and day care. Prior to the supposed liberation of women the majority of unfulfilling work was done by men so they could support a family. Now thank's to the supposed liberation of women , men and women are both generally forced to spend a huge portion of their lives doing stuff they don't want to do to support their families. I have no problem with individual women pursuing careers and vocations they have a desire and talent for but, really there was no need to encourage women to do crappy jobs.

Alimony and child support laws were introduced and judiciously enforced in order to allow women financial independence from men. There was no need to shame and cajole them into working outside the home (and if you want to deny that they were, pick up an issue of Cosmo from the last 50 years).

 

[Sherbang]

Let me phrase my answer to at least give you some food for thought before your knee-jerk reaction: the majority of people hate their jobs. They do crappy unfulfilling work in order to pay their bills, send their kids to school and day care. Prior to the supposed liberation of women the majority of unfulfilling work was done by men so they could support a family. Now thank's to the supposed liberation of women , men and women are both generally forced to spend a huge portion of their lives doing stuff they don't want to do to support their families. I have no problem with individual women pursuing careers and vocations they have a desire and talent for but, really there was no need to encourage women to do crappy jobs.

That's just total rubbish. In most of the world for most of the time, women have always done crappy, unfulfilling work. They just got paid less, if at all.

 

[Nick333]

I'm disputing the idea that feminism is the root cause of the world's economic problems, as you seem to make it out to be, as well as disputing that women achieving financial independence and equality is as bad as you seem to think it is.

Despite what you're saying now, your original post still sounds very much like you're opposed to what feminism did for the equal rights of women and it came across as very accusatory.

You suffer from a misunderstanding of what feminism is. Most men and women who support "feminist" ideals seem to think that it is a movement working towards something like the latter image in Gary Ms post. In actual fact the feminism that informs the policy of the actual movement that attempts and often succeeds in change laws favouring women over men. Case in point: the jailing of American fathers who can't pay child support. Not just those who wont. THOSE WHO CAN'T. The way they get away with this is by highlighting the plight of women who are struggling because of those men who won't pay and shaming those who speak up for those men who simply can't pay. Case in point of how feminism has silenced the opposition:

http://newscastmedia.com/domestic-violence.htm click on the pdf links that contain screenshots on a Harvard study proving that the majority of domestic violence is committed by women. Feminism is that powerful that it can literally eliminate evidence of their BS from public view.

What other BS do you think the general public is fed in the name of feminism. The myth of wage equality? I posted plenty of mainstream media links giving the lie to those claims in another thread. I don't have the inclination to dig up the articles and repost them at the moment.

Really, I can go on and on (and I probably will eventually) about how everything that informs feminism and feminist views is a core of real problems (and extinct ones) magnified to ridiculous proportions in order to further the man hating agenda of a few insane people but, really I don't have the time or patience.

 

[Nick333]

That's just total rubbish. In most of the world for most of the time, women have always done crappy, unfulfilling work. They just got paid less, if at all.

I'm clearly talking about the western and westernised world that in this country includes anyone who is privileged enough to have access to a computer and the internet. Really the myth of the subjugated house wife that informs feminism to this day harks back to a brief period of history post great depression that had largely petered out around the 80's. Prior to that almost everyone did crappy unfulfilling work for shyte pay. Really prior to that staying at home and raising a family was really the preserve of the middle classes who were of course a very small minority prior to the depression.

The feminist view of history is unsurprisingly a middle class view of history. Women as property, arranged marriage marriages, etc. were all problems of the middle class. What the white middle class tends to forget is that the vast majority of us are descended from peasants and the working class just in the last one hundred years or so What we see as the lesser treatment of women only became a bigger issue as the middle class grew and it didn't last that long after that. Before that most men and women shared pretty much the same problems. Incidentally, in most western democracies the enfranchisement of women only ante dated the enfranchisement of all men by a generation at most.

Really, instead of talking total rubbish why don't you actually fccking educate yourself before regurgitating feminist propaganda.

 

[Celine]

OP is nothing more than a male chauvinist - there i said it and i'm sticking to my story.

 

[feo]

This thread was interesting until it turned into some philosophical boring debate.

 

[UsernameLadiesMan217]

Can't you just ignore the money difference until the relationship reaches that level?


Also, watch this...

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That's Julia Roberts??

What the hell is she wearing!!

 

[Zewp]

Let me phrase my answer to at least give you some food for thought before your knee-jerk reaction: the majority of people hate their jobs. They do crappy unfulfilling work in order to pay their bills, send their kids to school and day care. Prior to the supposed liberation of women the majority of unfulfilling work was done by men so they could support a family. Now thank's to the supposed liberation of women , men and women are both generally forced to spend a huge portion of their lives doing stuff they don't want to do to support their families. I have no problem with individual women pursuing careers and vocations they have a desire and talent for but, really there was no need to encourage women to do crappy jobs.

Nick, just because you do DSTV installations for a living doesn't mean everyone else does crappy unfulfilling jobs that they hate. People today have it easier than ever to study into fields they enjoy and then go on to do jobs they find fulfilling and enjoyable. Sorry that you're clearly not one of these people.

You suffer from a misunderstanding of what feminism is.

No lil' Nicky. You're the one who doesn't understand. This is proven time and again when you lump the entirety of feminism under a single banner, completely ignoring the fact that there are dozens of branches of feminism fighting for different things and different ideals.

Frankly, you're wasting my time with your BS fueled by your irrational hatred for feminism.

 

[googoodoll]

You do realise this is actually the normal with most couples

.... it is?

 

[Nick333]

Nick, just because you do DSTV installations for a living doesn't mean everyone else does crappy unfulfilling jobs that they hate. People today have it easier than ever to study into fields they enjoy and then go on to do jobs they find fulfilling and enjoyable. Sorry that you're clearly not one of these people.



No lil' Nicky. You're the one who doesn't understand. This is proven time and again when you lump the entirety of feminism under a single banner, completely ignoring the fact that there are dozens of branches of feminism fighting for different things and different ideals.

Frankly, you're wasting my time with your BS fueled by your irrational hatred for feminism.

I'm not going to counter attack despite you getting way to personal for no good reason, even though you present such an easy target. I'm not even going to defend myself because you know nothing of my life.

Right, to, what I'll charitably call, your argument. I've presented you with an opinion which is at least testable and with facts that are verifiable. I've delivered them dispassionately and I haven't even stated my personal feeling on the implications of my opinion. You on the other hand have jumped to conclusions, made the illogical assumption that having a critical opinion of feminism is hateful and lays the blame for the status quo at the feet of women. You haven't presented any sort of counter argument. You've resorted to insult and shaming tactics instead.

Be careful of your opinions and beliefs, Zewp. The older you get the more trapped by them you become. There are no common sense truths that wont make a fool of you eventually.

I was a dyed in the wool feminist for most of my life so, I get were you're coming from.

 

[googoodoll]

Besides the income issue, I think it is very important to have a partner with at least bit of drive, ambition, self respect, pride, intelligence, independence. Then the money wouldn't really bother you, I think.

Also drinking isn't good.

 

[Sherbang]

Really, instead of talking total rubbish why don't you actually fccking educate yourself before regurgitating feminist propaganda.

Really? You both agree with me and tell me I'm talking total rubbish? Make up your mind

 

[Sherbang]

I was a dyed in the wool feminist for most of my life so, I get were you're coming from.

Was dying wool a women's job then?

 

[Nick333]

Really? You both agree with me and tell me I'm talking total rubbish? Make up your mind

You made two separate statements. That women have always done crappy work - with which I agree - and that they have always been paid less (by which, I assume, you mean less than men) - with which I disagree.

 

[Sherbang]

You made two separate statements. That women have always done crappy work - with which I agree - and that they have always been paid less (by which, I assume, you mean less than men) - with which I disagree.

Ok, thanks for clarifying.

You originally said that "Prior to the supposed liberation of women the majority of unfulfilling work was done by men so they could support a family." which is what I disagreed with - women have always done crappy work too, which you agree with.

 

[Nick333]

Ok, thanks for clarifying.

You originally said that "Prior to the supposed liberation of women the majority of unfulfilling work was done by men so they could support a family." which is what I disagreed with - women have always done crappy work too, which you agree with.

Yes and I also clarified that I was talking about a brief period of time post great depression and that it was linked to the growth of the middle class and the general adoption of middle class mores.

Really, besides the fact that your argument so far has only consisted of ignorant assertions and insult, it's really not fair to expect me to clarify your own position for you as well.

 

[Sherbang]

Yes and I also clarified that I was talking about a brief period of time post great depression and that it was linked to the growth of the middle class and the general adoption of middle class mores.

Really, besides the fact that your argument so far has only consisted of ignorant assertions and insult, it's really not fair to expect me to clarify your own position for you as well.

Shame, you have to do all this hard unfulfilling work, insulting plebs like me... you poor man

 

[systemofpurplelimpminion]

If it floats, flies or ****s rent it by the hour.

You sound like a dude I used to know