Motorist kills attacker

LoneGunman said:
re "as it has in the US?"

Not sure what you mean. Been in the US for 2 years, and have met no one
who's been a victim of crime, and heard of no one whose been robbed, attacked, burgled or worse.
Can anyone in SA say the same?

Thats not to say there isn't crime in the US, but its minuscule in comparison to SA.
The US also has pretty effective policing. And a structured society which regards 'crime' as unacceptable,
and acts to stamp it out.

SA is in a state of nation-wide civil unrest - you can't even call it 'crime' as its too widespread.
That's like calling a 'war' - a 'disagreement'. Incorrect usage of language.
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Where exactly do you live? I find it hard to believe you do know know of someone who has been a victim of some or other crime....unless you know very few people...
 
i find it amusing how the title is: "attacker gets killed" where upon reading the article we swiftly find out "attacker" has been replaced by smash n grabber.

maybe roughed up is a better option then shooting a man in the back - however i really do not blame the guy for killing the thief when you start to consider the daily stress south african citizens go through daily due to the crime and the lack of support government is giving for this problem.
 
halicon said:
maybe roughed up is a better option then shooting a man in the back - however i really do not blame the guy for killing the thief when you start to consider the daily stress south african citizens go through daily due to the crime and the lack of support government is giving for this problem.
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If you can't stay cool in the heat of battle, you shouldn't be carrying a gun. I'm not sure I can make the right decisions under pressure, hence I do not carry a gun.
 
orin76 said:
If you can't stay cool in the heat of battle, you shouldn't be carrying a gun. I'm not sure I can make the right decisions under pressure, hence I do not carry a gun.
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we shouldnt have to have military training to live in our country to stay cool in the heat of a battle. in fact we shouldnt have to worry about half the stuff we have to worry about due to an ineffective government.

hence i do not blame the guy for killing the thief - not that it is right.

many south africans are stressed and fed-up with crime hence these stories are only going to get more and more popular.
 
marine1 said:
It is right. If the gvt can not protect the people here then we must take the law into our own hands.
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And for most of us that's the bottom line. Neither the police nor the government is showing enough political will in the fight against crime. The general public has become open season, we sitting ducks and while this chap has used excessive force in this incident who else could he count on in this situation? That he was acting in self defense is debatable but considering he shot a fleeing robber in the back the answer would have to be no!! If he is caught he will be in huge trouble for not only using excessive force but fleeing the scene of a shooting which resulted in a death=possible murder charge.

However that the public are behaving in this manner is as a result of the police's inability to effectively fight crime.

Do I agree with it? Unfortunately yes, today a smash and grabber tomorrow a rapist/murderer. Now a corpse, sorry son but one must choose the right road in life...
 
So how about finding a solution to curb the crime rate?
Harping about it wont work.
 
JK8 said:
So how about finding a solution to curb the crime rate?
Harping about it wont work.
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I think the motorist just did.:D

As a tax payer what more would you suggest I do? I don't buy stolen goods, I report suspicious characters in the neighbourhood, I pay R400 a month towards a street guard, and I’ve used the 32211 702 sms line to report suspicious behaviour.

Other than joining the reservists there's nothing left to do.

As saffers we always hearing stop harping and do something about it.

And look now how much we expected to do...

Other than paying all sorts of taxes we have to employ our own security guards, constantly change tyres damaged by pot holes in our deteriorating roads, pay exorbitant private schools fees cause government schools aren't worth sh it, pay exorbitant medical aid schemes cause government hospitals aren't worth sh it, buy generators cause Eskom aint worth sh it etc etc etc etc etc

We getting sh it for our taxes mate and that's not how it should work... We subsidising mediocrity, insubordination and mass corruption. The only perk we get as tax payers is the right to harp on about it on myadsl... yippee...
 
halicon said:
we shouldnt have to have military training to live in our country to stay cool in the heat of a battle. in fact we shouldnt have to worry about half the stuff we have to worry about due to an ineffective government.
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Agreed. We shouldn't have to live in fear, but we shouldn't use that as an excuse to justify criminal behaviour. If you're looking for solutions, I can't offer you any that have not been mentioned before in this thread and others. I just don't think a bunch of angry citizens with guns is the answer. Arm yourself if you want, but don't expect leniency or sympathy if you do something stupid.
 
sandmanm34 said:
Other than paying all sorts of taxes we have to employ our own security guards, constantly change tyres damaged by pot holes in our deteriorating roads, pay exorbitant private schools fees cause government schools aren't worth sh it, pay exorbitant medical aid schemes cause government hospitals aren't worth sh it, buy generators cause Eskom aint worth sh it etc etc etc etc etc
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Brilliant! :D
 
I dont condone shooting anyone in the back.
Mngomezulu said police were still searching for the driver of the white Volkswagen Citi Golf.
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The motorist is safe - SAPS is on the job.
 
So The value of a human life is a broken window?

"The suspect then dropped the cellphone, the victim picked it up and continued chasing after him. He then shot him and returned to his vehicle."
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The shooter needs to be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law, there was no rational reason to shoot the thief.

I would have understood if the thief tried to attack the shooter and he then got shot as a result. But not the blatent murder that was comitted in a fit of rage.

To all those people commenting on the police, could you please enlighten me as to how you would have prevented this if you were running the police?
 
I bet R 1 Million that no one at the scene can remember the driver's registration number on he's car, or what he looked like. Damn I'd bet he wasn't even driving a White Golf :D

Everyone who witnessed it was Cheering him on and applauding he's good shot. Damn someone even gave him R 300 for 50 more rounds ;)

They will never find this guy, nor will they find the next guy that does it.
Hear no evil, See no evil, Speak no evil. This is what this country has become.

I have seen nothing, I heard nothing, and because of that I can't tell you anything ;)
 
R/SGT said:
So The value of a human life is a broken window?



The shooter needs to be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law, there was no rational reason to shoot the thief.

I would have understood if the thief tried to attack the shooter and he then got shot as a result. But not the blatent murder that was comitted in a fit of rage.

To all those people commenting on the police, could you please enlighten me as to how you would have prevented this if you were running the police?
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Yes, re-employ those experienced whiteys that were laid off for the likes of Selebi.:sick:
 
Pitbull, I agree that that is very likely; however it is very probable that the shooter used a licensed firearm and while our forensic unit is not quite CSI, they should be able to recover a bullet and match it to the firearm

Hear no evil, see no evil, Speak no evil. This is what this country has become.
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This shooting was evil, the shooter should have just beat the crap out of the guy, but killing him was wrong and we all know it.


100% Getafix and actually spend money on equipment and not on cars and houses for useless politicians
 
R/SGT said:
Pitbull, I agree that that is very likely; however it is very probable that the shooter used a licensed firearm and while our forensic unit is not quite CSI, they should be able to recover a bullet and match it to the firearm


This shooting was evil, the shooter should have just beat the crap out of the guy, but killing him was wrong and we all know it.


100% Getafix and actually spend money on equipment and not on cars and houses for useless politicians
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I agree with you. But to do that they need the Firearm it came from. Unless the police has test rounds from all guns owned in South Africa and someone would go thru them one by one. I can leave my bullets all over this country, with a licensed Firearm. If I have a .38 I would guess about 5000 other people has one. For the police to go hunting for those 5000 guns would take them a billion years. Unless he gets caught shooting someone red handed and they can then link this murder to him that way. That is the problem with South Africa.

We keep record of the crimes and hope we get lucky down the line with repeat offenders. Instead of going straight after the person for his first offence.

I will use house breaking as an example.

One person can break into house after house. He will never be caught. Unless they catch him red handed and then link him to the other breakins. Looking at a cure rather than prevention. If the first break in was followed thru till they caught him, the police would have prevented the other breakins. ;)
 
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