Murder down 30% since 1994, but perceptions different.

Turtle said:
Sigh, here we go with the 'crime is only a perception' propaganda again.



There you go just making up numbers again. Forumites, just a warning (for those few who haven't realised it yet), Therooster (our resident forum clown) consistently and frequently completely makes up entirely fake statistics, pulled 100% from his a-s (and which of course he can't back up) to pursue his anti-white agenda. Actual statistics show that whites are not only targeted disproportionately higher, but also often targeted (at least 30% of cases) because of anti-white hatred. Think about it logically; if whites were really targeted much less than blacks, the government wouldn't hide this information, and yet they do hide this information. Therooster also creates websites where he promotes killing all whites (and hides this hate speech behind a false claim that his sites are 'obviously parody, gee' ... cue that lame defence yet again in 3 ... 2 ... 1 ... or no wait, are you going to use your favorite word "FAIL" instead to describe my post? Who knows, the suspense is killing me, not)

Santa Claus is real, Murder is down, the tooth fairy exists, Telkom gives great services at a great price, the cheque is in the mail, I won't come in your mouth, blah blah blah etc. etc. *yawn*.
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geez, why are you so cranky? 2 threads already :)

i don't care about statistics, what i care about is you assassinating someone's character because you're at that time of the month. rooster's website is not "anti-white". if you bother to read any of his posts he always explains this in detail. one respectable thing about zasucks and mysasucks is that they clearly point out that they're "anti-black". rooster, and many others, see white racism as stupid and exaggerated, and he posted a site to piss those few white racists off. if the title, or the contents of his site bother you, you're insecure.

since when is calling someone on their bull**** "anti-white"? Rooster has also always provided links to other websites for where he gets his information. rooster sometimes attacks and insults people too quickly, but that is my only criticism of him, but similarly i've found that most people who put certain arguments(or complaints) forward are always trying to spread their views and propaganda.

maybe you guys have had disagreements in the past, and who cares? i'm sick of being called "anti-white" and a "k****r-boetie" because i'm not a die-hard racist, and i know rooster feels the same.
 
Turtle said:
Sigh, here we go with the 'crime is only a perception' propaganda again.



There you go just making up numbers again. Forumites, just a warning (for those few who haven't realised it yet), Therooster (our resident forum clown) consistently and frequently completely makes up entirely fake statistics, pulled 100% from his a-s (and which of course he can't back up) to pursue his anti-white agenda. Actual statistics show that whites are not only targeted disproportionately higher, but also often targeted (at least 30% of cases) because of anti-white hatred. Think about it logically; if whites were really targeted much less than blacks, the government wouldn't hide this information, and yet they do hide this information. Therooster also creates websites where he promotes killing all whites (and hides this hate speech behind a false claim that his sites are 'obviously parody, gee' ... cue that lame defence yet again in 3 ... 2 ... 1 ... or no wait, are you going to use your favorite word "FAIL" instead to describe my post? Who knows, the suspense is killing me, not)

Santa Claus is real, Murder is down, the tooth fairy exists, Telkom gives great services at a great price, the cheque is in the mail, I won't come in your mouth, blah blah blah etc. etc. *yawn*.
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lol. What a noob ! UberFAIL.

Sir, you loose all credibility when in your post mix of total , with all due respect, bollocks try and imply I've written websites propogating the murder of white people. Not only that but take a look at this people. We're going to take a little logic class now you and me.


Think about it logically; if whites were really targeted much less than blacks, the government wouldn't hide this information, and yet they do hide this information.
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Smart people reading that are wacking their knees with fierce intensity right now and rolling over with laughter. The dumb people are confused. Here's what he's argued in effect.

Think about it logically; if man really went to the moon rather than faked it, NASA wouldn't hide this information, and yet they do hide the information.

Or...

Think about it logically; if there weren't pink unicorns in women's breasts, women wouldn't hide this information, and yet they hide this information.

Thanks for the lulz mister "think about it logically".

Dude, and I'm talking to you like I would an American , because Americans are a simple people. The only real study carried out to try and test some kind of white genocide in South Africa came back with the precise results as I have reported them. 1 in 33 murders happen to white people. Three times less than the general population. In fact I think you will find this results in a unacceptably high murder rate with around 450 white people murdered each year. So it's nothing to celebrate.

Now here's the point. Violent crime in South Africa is not as random and chaotic as is made out. It follows rather predictable patterns and happens in rather predictable areas and circumstances. Why does that matter ? You see something you can predict is soemthing you can avoid.

Murders happening with financial gain as the motivation are very very much the exception rather than the rule. More on this in a bit.
 
As I was saying before so rudely interupted by my bowels : There are geniunly concerned South African citizens regarding violent crime, but mostly it's either people using crime as a convenient way to propose black people can't run the country or people who are neurotic. The fact is that of the 50 murders a day in this country they're mostly taking place in a version of South Africa so far removed from anything you know and not exactly something you need to worry about assuming you're white and middle classed.
 
Therooster said:
As I was saying before so rudely interupted by my bowels : There are geniunly concerned South African citizens regarding violent crime, but mostly it's either people using crime as a convenient way to propose black people can't run the country or people who are neurotic. The fact is that of the 50 murders a day in this country they're mostly taking place in a version of South Africa so far removed from anything you know and not exactly something you need to worry about assuming you're white and middle classed.
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Unfortunately I know people that has been murdered so it is not far removed retard.
 
Therooster said:
As I was saying before so rudely interupted by my bowels : There are geniunly concerned South African citizens regarding violent crime, but mostly it's either people using crime as a convenient way to propose black people can't run the country or people who are neurotic. The fact is that of the 50 murders a day in this country they're mostly taking place in a version of South Africa so far removed from anything you know and not exactly something you need to worry about assuming you're white and middle classed.
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I think you are detached from reality:sick:
 
BBSA said:
I think you are detached from reality:sick:
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Feel free to lose sleep about the 1 in 3041666.6 chance you going to get murdered today (if you white). I just have more rational fears. Like flying. You're twice as likely to die in a plane crash after all. Or cancer. 15% of males get it in before 50.

I just soemtimes think this whole argument boils down to people throwing a neurotic fit because the chance of something extremely unlikely to happen to them is slighly less ( but not significantly)impossibly freakish here. And about "knowing " someone. 6 degrees of seperation and you know just about anyone folks.

Disclaimer : Not in any way to trivialise the loss of anyone. I'm not here to celebrate or trivialise anyones murder, unlike some people. Cough (right winged extremists who celebrate each murder who helps perpeutate their views).
 
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Therooster said:
Disclaimer : Not in any way to trivialise the loss of anyone. I'm not here to celebrate or trivialise anyones murder, unlike some people. Cough (right winged extremists who celebrate each murder who helps perpeutate their views).
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please, most of us have lost people here too. if they want to use a personal loss as a reason to be something as stupid as a racist and stop thinking completely they can go suck their thumb. they can live their deluded solipsitic lives and believe whatever they want to believe as long as they don't spread their garbage to those who want an honest examination and not some emotional and patriotic bull****.

most right-wing extremists are genuinely angry tho, they don't celebrate murders, but i can see how you and many other people can come to that conclusion with most people's attitudes.
 
smalltownsky said:
please, most of us have lost people here too. if they want to use a personal loss as a reason to be something as stupid as a racist and stop thinking completely they can go suck their thumb. they can live their deluded solipsitic lives and believe whatever they want to believe as long as they don't spread their garbage to those who want an honest examination and not some emotional and patriotic bull****.

most right-wing extremists are genuinely angry tho, they don't celebrate murders, but i can see how you and many other people can come to that conclusion with most people's attitudes.
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Are you kidding ? What do you percieve their response to be when reading about a violent crime in South Africa from their expat "havens" ? Elation is my guess. They thrive on it and search the net for it , possibly even get off on it. It helps them tolerate their awful expat lives and get less homesick.
 
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@ the rooster... Dude you are fail... just by making those blogspots you fail so hard that your spawn will lose this argument for eons to come.

Really I hope you become an statistic... :mad:
 
happychappy said:
@ the rooster... Dude you are fail... just by making those blogspots you fail so hard that your spawn will lose this argument for eons to come.

Really I hope you become an statistic... :mad:
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Sophisticated commentry. Full of sharp valid rhetoric and sound logic.

Or here's another way to look at it : You're a muppet.
 
Therooster said:
Sophisticated commentry. Full of sharp valid rhetoric and sound logic.

Or here's another way to look at it : You're a muppet.
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lol learn to spell please... then read underneath:

lurk moar post less, your useless at hurling insults... next time ask your kindergarten teacher for tips to do insults that work.
 
I must apologise as I've misled people. I claimed murder is down 30% since 1994. This is very wrong.

I failed to take into account the change in population. Murder is in fact down 44% since 1994.

lulz.
 
Therooster said:
I must apologise as I've misled people. I claimed murder is down 30% since 1994. This is very wrong.

I failed to take into account the change in population. Murder is in fact down 44% since 1994.

lulz.
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And armed house robberies? What about rape? Please give us a balanced picture!

If you want to claim crime is down you must look at ALL the stats and not just cherry pick the once which support your agenda.
 
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BBSA said:
And armed house robberies? What about rape? Please give us a balanced picture!

If you want to claim crime is down you must look at ALL the stats and not just cherry pick the once which support your agenda.
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If house robbery was up that would not surprise me. There are after all 5 millionb new members of the house owning middle class due to our massive economic growth the past 14 years and 10 million new RDP house owners. Also there are more people. But most importantly suddenly since 1994 the police actually acted on behalf of black people too. Crimes happening to them suddenly became part of the system and got treated as crimes (became statistics).

Take it anyway you want murder is down almost half but people think it's up. That's a problem of perception and I asked people why they thought South African's were getting it so wrong.
 
BBSA said:
And armed house robberies? What about rape? Please give us a balanced picture!

If you want to claim crime is down you must look at ALL the stats and not just cherry pick the once which support your agenda.
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Don't bother, he's only interested in steamrolling his views. Beware those that don't agree. What a chop :o
 
Therooster said:
Take it anyway you want murder is down almost half but people think it's up. That's a problem of perception and I asked people why they thought South African's were getting it so wrong.
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I noticed that attempted murders has gone up over the same period. If you look at combined stat for murders and attempted murders the stat has actually gone up. So maybe as with the rest of South Africa the standards of murders has also gone down.
 
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crime_in_South_Africa


Therooster said:
If house robbery was up that would not surprise me. There are after all 5 millionb new members of the house owning middle class due to our massive economic growth the past 14 years and 10 million new RDP house owners. Also there are more people. But most importantly suddenly since 1994 the police actually acted on behalf of black people too. Crimes happening to them suddenly became part of the system and got treated as crimes (became statistics).

Take it anyway you want murder is down almost half but people think it's up. That's a problem of perception and I asked people why they thought South African's were getting it so wrong.
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1st: What massive economic growth? There is nothing massive, it's poor at best...

2nd: It's so strange but I remember the police investigating crime in the townships pre 1994?

I find your lack of the workings of SA pre 1994 disturbing, in fact I don't think you have a clue of what WAS going on here! I know first hand as I have quite a few SAPS members in the family... I would swear you see it as some kind of dark ages? :erm:

3rd: taxes meant for roads, education and health care were spent on those substandard septic tank houses... with barely enough room for 2 people let alone the 5-10 people usually crammed into those sardine cans. There is nothing to be proud of it's just anc smoke and mirrors and if you were actually in touch with reality you would know that the recent service delivery riots were partly due to the houses being a very dangerous structures built with cheap materials that were falling apart before people moved into the homes. no electricity/water or even an municipality body to govern the bills!

I think you are blaming apartheid, for problems created now by the ANC. Incompetence and sheer ignorance by people like you are to blame. Face it this country is falling apart, our critical services like policing , government and health care are declining at an extremely fast rate.

If this isn't corrected it will eventually lead to major problems, social problems and guess who will be to blame. Whites and apartheid. :roll: So rather go join your liberal buddies by toi toi'ing the goverment buildings for better services than trolling here...
 
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