Then how do you not know the difference between the scientific use of the word, "theory' and the common use of the word, "theory"?
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Then how do you not know the difference between the scientific use of the word, "theory' and the common use of the word, "theory"?
d0b33
Honorary Master
Correction: The Vatican accepts the theory as fact.
You know what? The first half of that bolded statement is true but the second half is false. Where did you get the idea from that evolution occurs in anything else but "small doses"? Evolution occurs EVERY generation between every sexually and asexually reproducing organism on this planet. The END.
The Theory of Evolution does not only deal with the development of new species but also the generational changes. That is why you are "more evolved"than you parents. BUT evolution does not always mean a positive change as you can be less adapted to deal with you environment than your parents. How? The case of breeding a crop species for drought resistance. Lets say for instance that two plants (A and B, the same species) that reproduce through pollination and cannot self-pollinate. Both plants are ably adapted to their semi-arid environment. The plants are pollinated from other plants in their environment, they flower and produce seed. A and B both produce 10 seeds all 20 seeds germinate and grow to adult plants. Since the environment has not changed all the plants grow fine and there is no distinction between A and B.
Now lets introduce climate change, rain occurs 50% less frequently. So what happens now? The population of B starts showing signs of water stress (withered and rolled leaves, stunted growth etc). Parents Plant A and B die from water stress. 4 of plant B die off, 6 plants are remaining. Of the 6 only 4 produce flowers and but they only produce 3 seeds each and only two grow to mature plants. There are now 18 B plants. Meanwhile plant A population is still growing happily and all 10 plants produce flowers and 10 seeds and all the seeds germinate and grow into mature plants. There are now 110 plants A. Do you see where I am going with this? The plants go through quite a few more generations and eventually plant A outnumbers B by a factor of 1000 (speculative, not calculated).
So what happened? The parents A and B were never adapted properly to drought as they carried a dominant heterozygous gene for water stress. Through pollination (and sexual reproduction) the seeds (and adult plants) produced by B were effected by a homozygous recessive gene which effected plants ability to cope with water stress. However the plant A population were effected by a dominant homozygous gene that enhanced water stress coping.
In the both plant populations A and B evolved but their species did not change. The only difference now is that plants A have a greater chance of survival in future than plants B. The fact that the population numbers are greatly skewed towards A means that the dominant homozygous water stress gene found in A will have a much higher chance of propagation and increase the survival chances of the species.
In the end this is evolution. This is how it starts. Do this repeatedly for 1000 years and who knows what changes will occur between plants A and B. Eventually these subpopulations will become so distinct that they will not be able to reproduce with one another AND hey presto! we have a new species.
THE END. Now stop arguing and start thanking that this planet has the means and ways to cope with all the cr@p we are doing to it. Without evolution we will all die.
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The theory isn't the fact. The fact is the fact and the theory is the theory.
falcon786
Honorary Master
I did not dismiss evolution,not at all hey.Just I believe we dont understand it FULLY.
Is there one person here claiming to understand it fully?Are you saying that evoltution FOR SURE 100% occurred on its own and there was no possibility of GOD being as a dog breeder would do and place two similar dogs together to get the traits he wants out of them in a new future breed?
Thats all I'm saying really.
As for religion dogma,no I'm afraid you mistaken.There was a point in time where i seriously questioned any sort of religion or even the very existence of GOD. but eventually the reality hit me,I hope that will it do so for you too one day.
If not then good luck.
falcon786
Honorary Master
or will we?
Ask the dinosaurs.
falcon786
Honorary Master
How come they didnt evolve?
Some did. Which is why we have life today still (things like birds, reptiles, amphibians and mammals). Most life doesnt evolve fast enough and dies out. Hence the reason why 99.999999% of all life species that have been.... are extinct. That which does not adapt to its environment. Dies.
I would have no faith in a doctor if he or she had no evolutionary understanding in how the body works.
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falcon786
Honorary Master
Do you know for sure thats what wiped them out?Lack of evolution, or an event, or do you agree it could pretty much be anything?Hey maybe even a virus that managed to wipe out almost every species or is it impossible?
Its always a lack of evolution no matter what the event.
If it was an meteorite event that hit, those that were not small enough, or those that ate too much, or those that were not able to regulate their temps, or those not able to survive a tsunami. Whatever. They were all removed from the gene pool for not being able to survive the event. Some animals would have survived the event, and their children would inherit the traits of their parents and have more chance in surviving in their new habitat.
If there are no events, then the animal hardly evolves at all. However, if its habitat changes, then so does the animal.
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Do you ask them before treatment?
falcon786
Honorary Master
But you still dont know what wiped them out to conclude all that right?Maybe it wasnt an event?
At first no, I've known my doctor since I was a teenager, a time where philosophy was overlooked for other blasphemous teenager activities.
I'm glad that my doctor completely supports evolution and that she doesn't know any doctors that do not support evolution.
Although maybe doctor phil doesn't support evolution? I think those kind of doctors have less chance of understanding or supporting evolution.
If you're a medical doctor with a keen interest in anatomy, it is extremely likely that you'll accept it, and pityful if you don't accept it.
It's funny that there aren't any atheists that do not support evolution? do theists think that atheism and evolution are both evil and that's why they go hand in hand?
Im not claiming to know what wiped them out, what I am claiming is that most of them were not able to survive their new habitat. (Be it because of a meteorite, lack of food, climate change, virus, squatters... whatever). The offspring of those survivors would have inherited the genetic information required to continue surviving in the changed habitat.
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falcon786
Honorary Master
If we dont even know its an event then we cant conclude that the habitat was actually even changed.So maybe at that point in time there was no need for evolution to be the thing that saved them.
Most doctors support evolution these days (I am sure in the past it was different). Even the religious ones. Only a handful of nutty doctors dont, and you dont really wanna use them.
porchrat
Honorary Master
We would have evidence of this virus in animals that survived.
falcon786
Honorary Master
Which is what you said the other day that evidence of the same virus was found in lots of different species,so maybe there was a virus that could infect multiple different species?Possible right?
Hey maybe it was aliens that came down and hunted the "red and blue" ones and left the rest alone in which case evolution did not have any hand in it lol while ridiculous sounding we cant say for sure as we don't know...its a big question mark...thats all im saying.Correct?