MWEB Uncapped Subscribers Feedback

[xrapidx]

What about all the wasted chunks from torrents ? and i have vast knowledge of the torrent protocol written implementations for different platforms. NNTP and Bittorrent both have their pro's and con's.

Exactly - or that 14gb torrent I got to 93% earlier this year and then it wouldn't complete, in fact its still sitting at 93%.

 

[xrapidx]

Why do I bother, Rouxenator I truely hope u feel so special now like you always wanted because none of this even matters anymore. So no we are not gonna join your cult mkay

Same guy who thinks Opel makes the best cars

 

[Rouxenator]

Why do I bother, Rouxenator I truely hope u feel so special now like you always wanted because none of this even matters anymore. So no we are not gonna join your cult mkay

LOL - ok Mr Mackey

Exactly - or that 14gb torrent I got to 93% earlier this year and then it wouldn't complete, in fact its still sitting at 93%.

Yeah, that is the kind of thing that does suck, but it could also happen on NNTP (and then it would be 14GB x 1.33333). But its a valid point.

Same guy who thinks Opel makes the best cars

Not thee best, just better than the bunch. There are many others (Merc, BMW, Ferarri.... etc) that makes better cars.

 

[Tamakachi]

Mweb should have a paid news server service.
I'd pay for it.

 

[semaphore]

Wasted chunks + tracker updates + DHT + Local peer discover < 1.333333x NNTP bloat factor.

You're overly obsessed with bloat factor, what about reliability ? I have found torrents that never download and get them on nntp with about 4 pars to fix them up. Its 2010 a network should easily be able to handle the "bloat" factor, considering it could back in 1992. And frankly if you think NNTP's are causing network congestion, you are grossly mistaken.

 

[Rouxenator]

Mweb should have a paid news server service.
I'd pay for it.

It won't take long for someone to then sue them for making money from distributing illegal content. That is the same reason why we don't have FTPs (the ultimate for file transfers).

 

[semaphore]

Privacy - Decisive Usenet Advantage

A major concern for many file-sharers is security. With the IFPI (International Federation of the Phonographic Industry) promising to conduct 1,000 copyright enforcement actions per month, and the RIAA (Recording Industry Association of America) having already sued almost 20,000 individuals, retaining one's privacy is an understandable concern.

To understand how people become a copyright enforcement statistic is to understand why Usenet has the undisputed advantage over BitTorrent - or any other P2P network. Virtually every instance an individual has been sued has been the result of sharing material online - otherwise known as uploading. BitTorrent depends on uploading for its very survival, Usenet does not.

Unlike P2P networking, Usenet does not encourage or otherwise recommend that its userbase upload any material. There are established responsibilities within the Usenet hierarchy – those who provide and those who download. This is the way Usenet has functioned since for it's nearly 30 year history, and shows no signs of deterioration. For now, as no one has been sued for merely downloading material, Usenet is far and away the most secure way to obtain information online.

It should also be noted that most Usenet clients and servers support end-to-end encryption, which adds an additional layer of security.

Source: http://www.slyck.com/story1376_BitTorrent_vs_Usenet

 

[xrapidx]

It won't take long for someone to then sue them for making money from distributing illegal content. That is the same reason why we don't have FTPs (the ultimate for file transfers).

You mean like the tons of illegal data passing through their networks anyway?

 

[Rouxenator]

Just because no one has been legally pursued for illegal downloads on news server does not mean its impossible. It is actually much easier on news server since their is one source and everyone downloads from that same source. But if you are paranoid and just don't give a crap then go ahead.

 

[xrapidx]

Just because no one has been legally pursued for illegal downloads on news server does not mean its impossible. It is actually much easier on news server since their is one source and everyone downloads from that same source. But if you are paranoid and just don't give a crap then go ahead.

And guess what - it has happened on p2p - not could - HAS.

Even if God came down and declared newsgroups superior you'd have an argument....

 

[semaphore]

Just because no one has been legally pursued for illegal downloads on news server does not mean its impossible. It is actually much easier on news server since their is one source and everyone downloads from that same source. But if you are paranoid and just don't give a crap then go ahead.

Its because servers and locations are private, AND the news trickles (by trickles i mean uploaded to) to different servers AND because some countries laws prohibit such things, Clearly you are not as educated on the subject as you may think. And no im not paranoid i dont give a crap. I use torrent and nntp without peerguardian living on the wild side yoh

 

[Rouxenator]

Even if God came down and declared newsgroups superior you'd have an argument....

No - in fact it would clear a lot of thing up for me

Its because servers and locations are private, AND the news trickles (by trickles i mean uploaded to) to different servers AND because some countries laws prohibit such things, Clearly you are not as educated on the subject as you may think. And no im not paranoid i dont give a crap. I use torrent and nntp without peerguardian living on the wild side yoh

Agreed - I don't know much about the legal side of it but I do know how it works technically.

To be honest I actually use torrents to the minimum. My preference is private P2P exchanges like Pando and Forums with FS/RS/HF links.

 

[TheYak]

Connection is horrid again tonight. Eish...

 

[AntiThesis]

Reporting in from the Openweb side of things... Gold Uncapped seems to be the way forward at present. 2 1/2 days in and at 4.14 gb downloads with everything going line speed. Not too shabby.

Forgot what the internet feels like.

 

[RanzB]

I guess I'll just leave you lot to it then - you clearly have a built a couple of ISP backbones yourself and you know everything there is to know about protocols and how they work.

Are all your subsequent posts leaving us to it?

 

[heartbroken]

Speeds just took a dive again. Was running nicely at 200-250KB/s from 7pm but now it's back to +-50KB/s again. Same exact thing as last night this time.

 

[The Philosopher]

why are news server files quite a bit larger than the actual file downloaded? like 350mb file will be around 417mb. what makes it bigger?

 

[DUDE!@##$%%]

my connection has been shocking for the last day and a half...
get disconnected every 5 mins in a cod5 match (local) half of the web pages just time out or take AGESSSS to load...

THIS IS BULL****

 

[Rouxenator]

why are news server files quite a bit larger than the actual file downloaded? like 350mb file will be around 417mb. what makes it bigger?

See reason 2 :

Here's the problem with newsgroups :

1) It was not designed to distribute binary files - it was for text in a time before HTTP and forums.
2) To work around this limitation all binary data is encoded to 7bit text streams which results in a bloat factor 1.3333333 so if you have a 1GB file that becomes 1.333333GB of traffic you are pulling (overhead).
3) Because newsgroups was made for text a message (or post) would typically be limited to a length of 64kb~384kb so your 1.333333GB bloat file sits in millions of posts on the server (more overhead).
4) Because some posts might not get propagated properly and newsgroups are generally unreliable you need PARs which can add a further 20% bloat (much more overhead).
5) All this bloated traffic goes to one destination (the news server) and this is a big source of congestion on the network (all that overhead!).
6) It is very easy to see what users are downloading from the news group (much easier than on P2P).

So there you have the 6 main problems with news servers. There are many more but it all boils down to the fact that its a really old system that is used beyond its design limitations.
P2P is much more elegant and actually costs the ISPs less!! It uses less traffic (less overhead) and being local does not matter because the ISPs save more on infrastructure.
They do not have to invest in massive storage and throughput for their news server.

 

[RanzB]

why are news server files quite a bit larger than the actual file downloaded? like 350mb file will be around 417mb. what makes it bigger?

Most likely reason is the addition of par2 files. Normally I just delete them as most times they aren't needed. If they are, I just download them separately.