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But Trompie67, all that low down torque ... grrrrr. Love my Boxer, 6th gear from 60 to 160 just too easy. Surprised you say it felt sluggish. Different gearing to the GS models perhaps? I ride on 50/50 fronts and 70/30 rears so vibing is all part of the game...

@ Themba, yeah that 1190cc equates to almost 600cc per pot, the engine breaking is very effective. I hit neutral down shifting 2nd to 3rd, caught me by surprise how much the bike doesn't stop when its not in gear! But I still blip, just makes the downshift smoother.
 
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Trompie67 said:
So got to play with the R1200 RS over the weekend.
Left it in dynamic mode, ESA set for 2 up on Saturday. Quickshifter works well - but not from 1st to 2nd or 2nd to 3rd. 3rd up works like a dream. It was totally novel using it for downshifts as well - took a bit of getting used to! The nicest part of the downshifting was the little blip each time to rev match. Gotta love computers!
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But shifting down into 2nd is the best part!

It is more clunky from 1st through 2nd as is really the case for any bike, but you tend to learn it's nicks and knacks over a while and generally taking the abusive husband (strong and firm) is the best way to get it to play nice.

The only thing we both noticed is an annoying vibration at 4k rpm. Particularly noticeable as we were participating in a mass ride, so could not adjust the speed. Also noticed throttle surge at the same rpm when holding steady throttle & speed which was bloody annoying. That was in 4th gear at 100km/h - changing to 5th or 6th meant sluggish response when wanting to accellerate, so I kept it in 4th. The 4k vibration equates to 120km/h in 6th gear, so is a royal PITA, pardon the pun.
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Blame the ****ing tree huggers, as you'll find this across the entire 1200cc Boxer range that conform to Euro 6 emissions standards although I'm sure mine is a bit lower at 3000-3500 rpm.

Especially noticeable if you put it in cruise control at those speeds and try to maintain a steady throttle in 1st gear and it just does what it wants.

Although you are saying vibration...not fuelling? So maybe this is something else. Mine certainly doesn't vibrate but it has a bad fuel hole around that area which is easily sorted out with the boosterplugs and other things that make them run richer.

Maybe a problem with the shaft? Was this a brand new bike with low km?
 
themba990 said:
Do people not do this or is it just nice having it done for you?
Engine braking on my R9T is so hectic that blipping is mandatory unless I want to hold the clutch in all the time while slowing down.
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Having it done for you means you can just lean on the brakes and keep leaning on them while smashing down the gearbox.

It changes the entire way you approach corners and the sound is also highly addictive.

The little bit of controlled lock up going into 1st is also awesome.

When you've gotten use to it you'll never go back. Just ask the poor F700GS courtesy the other day how it felt going straight into 1st as if it had a quickshifter...but didn't.

But the R9T does have pretty brutal engine braking, I think all the air-cooled bikes do. Seem to recall it was flywheel difference?
 
SirFooK'nG said:
But Trompie67, all that low down torque ... grrrrr. Love my Boxer, 6th gear from 60 to 160 just too easy. Surprised you say it felt sluggish. Different gearing to the GS models perhaps? I ride on 50/50 fronts and 70/30 rears so vibing is all part of the game...
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You know as a Boxer owner this has always been a bit of a fallacy to me.

Actually shorter gearing on the RS, so it should feel way more potent than the GS.

Sure it is pretty torquey, but it's not actually that amazing and I expected it to pull strongly and cleanly straight from idle which it just doesn't do. And it's not just on my bike it's on all of them I've ridden.

You still need about 2000rpm on the clock to get it to pull cleanly, which means it's not really all that much different to ride from say my Triumph Street Triple. Not to mention the added weight on all these big Boxers amounts to near the same seat-of-the-pants pull.

My Buell was infinitely more torquey in the real world than the BMW, even though on paper it's not as potent.


Jeez for that matter the Boxer only barely runs cleanly in a parking lot with the clutch out at idle in 1st. Shifting to 2nd really lugs the motor.

The LC motors do like revs more and only really come alive above 55000rpm.

The Air Cooled ones were more diesel like and uniform across the rev range having virtually the same torque from idle through redline.

SirFooK'nG said:
@ Themba, yeah that 1190cc equates to almost 600cc per pot, the engine breaking is very effective. I hit neutral down shifting 2nd to 3rd, caught me by surprise how much the bike doesn't stop when its not in gear! But I still blip, just makes the downshift smoother.
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1170cc you mean.

But the air cooled RnineT peaks at lower revs and therefore might be a bit more torque biased on a curve.
 
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Ya .. 1170, damn ... I knew it wasn't 1200 :D When riding offroad, constant low revs in 2nd or third up a hill, that's when you appreciate the boxer. Its extremely smooth and controllable. But also I'm forgetting that is in Enduro mode so the throttle response is completely different. For tar, I used to live in Dynamic, but recently I changed to Road mode. Feels smoother not so snappy on the throttle, plus the wife doesn't head butt me as much :crylaugh:
 
themba990 said:
Do people not do this or is it just nice having it done for you?
Engine braking on my R9T is so hectic that blipping is mandatory unless I want to hold the clutch in all the time while slowing down.
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Always do it myself on my bikes, it was just totally novel the way it rev-matched on the downshifts. Plus, like Sauron stated - the shift down into 2nd is awesome :).
When riding hard - on the track, you quickly learn how to rev match by blipping. I could have the bike practically standing on it's nose under braking & still be able to blip whilst braking for a corner - the bus stop at the old Kyalami circuit was always a good place to see who could or couldn't blip! It's a skill that you improve upon the more you make use of it.

SirFooK'nG said:
But Trompie67, all that low down torque ... grrrrr. Love my Boxer, 6th gear from 60 to 160 just too easy. Surprised you say it felt sluggish. Different gearing to the GS models perhaps? I ride on 50/50 fronts and 70/30 rears so vibing is all part of the game...

@ Themba, yeah that 1190cc equates to almost 600cc per pot, the engine breaking is very effective. I hit neutral down shifting 2nd to 3rd, caught me by surprise how much the bike doesn't stop when its not in gear! But I still blip, just makes the downshift smoother.
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Torque? I'm with Sauron on this - there really is no more torque than on the 955 Triumph. Certainly not noticeably so. More than the R1, yes. But once the R1 spins up the boxer won't touch it. In any case, they are all ridden at different points in the rev range - no point in riding the R1 at 4k rpm, the same way you couldn't take the boxer to 12k rpm!

SauRoNZA said:
But shifting down into 2nd is the best part!

It is more clunky from 1st through 2nd as is really the case for any bike, but you tend to learn it's nicks and knacks over a while and generally taking the abusive husband (strong and firm) is the best way to get it to play nice.



Blame the ****ing tree huggers, as you'll find this across the entire 1200cc Boxer range that conform to Euro 6 emissions standards although I'm sure mine is a bit lower at 3000-3500 rpm.

Especially noticeable if you put it in cruise control at those speeds and try to maintain a steady throttle in 1st gear and it just does what it wants.

Although you are saying vibration...not fuelling? So maybe this is something else. Mine certainly doesn't vibrate but it has a bad fuel hole around that area which is easily sorted out with the boosterplugs and other things that make them run richer.

Maybe a problem with the shaft? Was this a brand new bike with low km?
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6300 km's on the clock. Vibration & surging at 4k revs. The surging was no worse that my Triumph, just surprised that 10 years of technological development later & the same problems manifest......

Also noticed the dead spot at around 3,5k rpm, but didn't spend much time in that rev range so wasn't too phased by it. The vibration at 4k was bad - both wife & I had numb feet after 20 odd minutes, despite the rubber pegs.
 
Trompie67 said:
Always do it myself on my bikes, it was just totally novel the way it rev-matched on the downshifts. Plus, like Sauron stated - the shift down into 2nd is awesome :).
When riding hard - on the track, you quickly learn how to rev match by blipping. I could have the bike practically standing on it's nose under braking & still be able to blip whilst braking for a corner - the bus stop at the old Kyalami circuit was always a good place to see who could or couldn't blip! It's a skill that you improve upon the more you make use of it.



Torque? I'm with Sauron on this - there really is no more torque than on the 955 Triumph. Certainly not noticeably so. More than the R1, yes. But once the R1 spins up the boxer won't touch it. In any case, they are all ridden at different points in the rev range - no point in riding the R1 at 4k rpm, the same way you couldn't take the boxer to 12k rpm!



6300 km's on the clock. Vibration & surging at 4k revs. The surging was no worse that my Triumph, just surprised that 10 years of technological development later & the same problems manifest......

Also noticed the dead spot at around 3,5k rpm, but didn't spend much time in that rev range so wasn't too phased by it. The vibration at 4k was bad - both wife & I had numb feet after 20 odd minutes, despite the rubber pegs.
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Vibration is bad and not normal.

Surfing is sadly a standard part of the experience but it’s very minor and I wouldn’t expect a short test ride to pick it up so something isn’t lekker with that bike.

As for the torque thing it’s not it has any problems there but people are always on about the “low down torque”.

2500 rpm is NOT low down to me. Especially not on a low revving bike like this.

And 2500rpm is where just about every dyno chart starts so you can’t even use that to compare.
 
SauRoNZA said:
Vibration is bad and not normal.

Surfing is sadly a standard part of the experience but it’s very minor and I wouldn’t expect a short test ride to pick it up so something isn’t lekker with that bike.

As for the torque thing it’s not it has any problems there but people are always on about the “low down torque”.

2500 rpm is NOT low down to me. Especially not on a low revving bike like this.

And 2500rpm is where just about every dyno chart starts so you can’t even use that to compare.
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We did 150 odd km's 2 up, and I then did another 200 odd solo the next day. Surging was noticeable due to us riding in formation for 100 odd km's.
 
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Little bit of plastic weld and some brasso and it'll be like new?

(Edit, I joke because that looks so sad, and I'm assuming the rider hurts too)
 
Obviously can't even shave, poor guy.

On a serious not, do you have any mobility of the arms?
 
Noseworthy said:
Right arm can move about 10cm up and down
At this point can't wipe own ass
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That's actually exactly what I was wondering strangely enough. I had a similar thing and had to have a catheter...was hoping you avoided that fate.
 
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