Name and Shame: Unauthorised Debit Orders Thread

[Ghoster79]

Out of curiosity, has anybody actually discovered what the R99 is supposed to be for - a service, a product or some sort of life insurance or medical cover?

 

[Majuba_Boer]

Why was your Telkom debit order reversed?

I do not have any idee why. FNB says that i reversed it, though I only reversed the R99 UPS one. Instructed FNB to check who reversed it, this will take about 7 working days to get an awnser.

 

[SykomantiS]

I think people are just too keen to make Telkom the escape goat.

On a more serious note,
I have telkom debit orders (more than 2 years now)- no funky unauthorised d/o against my accounts (I checked all of them, cc, cheque and savings)- I'm with SB

 

[Dark Agent]

Out of the 5 people that I know. I narrowed it down to 1Life(4 factor), Liberty(4 factor), Budget Insurance(3 factor), Discovery(5 factor) and telkom was only a 2 factor. All had discovery product.

Would love to know whether Telkom and Outsurance use the same company to handle their debit orders. Because that looks to me is the common factor here...

Same, will like to know the Company that handles the debit orders.

 

[streepmuis]

Also affected, opened a Telkom contract for the September Big Deal, deduction happened on 02-Nov. Will speak to bank (Standard Bank). I have NO other debit orders other than Telkom so this suspiciously looks like something Telkom related.

Update: Spoke to Std Bank, they reversed the debit order without much hassle. May happen again, in which case I'll take it further / close the account. Looks like there's not much you can do to prevent such activity...

 

[SykomantiS]

no funky unauthorised d/o against my accounts

Out of the 5 people that I know. I narrowed it down to 1Life(4 factor), Liberty(4 factor), Budget Insurance(3 factor), Discovery(5 factor) and telkom was only a 2 factor. All had discovery product.

I have discovery products... To be honest, I don't think this has anything to do with 3rd parties, as stated before. But then, I'm also just guessing, like everybody else.

 

[llewxam]

see attached results from google search regarding the telephone number. no answer from this phone number

 

[TheChamp]

Just got some intersting information on that number, apparently it belongs to a NUMSA investment company PTY LTD. Tried checking their website and I get some warning about an unsafe website.

 

[freburg01]

Update: Spoke to Std Bank, they reversed the debit order without much hassle. May happen again, in which case I'll take it further / close the account. Looks like there's not much you can do to prevent such activity...

I also went to Standard Bank today, reversed without hassle and stop order fee (R55) was waived due to it being a fraudulent transaction. I asked if the DebiCheck would change anything, however it seems that DebiCheck will only kick in at higher amount. It might be useful to see if DebiCheck can be done on any amount initially to weed these kind of people out,.......

The only thing that popped in my mind is that for the first time ever I used a instant EFT provider and immediately this happened.

 

[Jings]

This is very interesting. UPS Direct put in a bid to provide services to data centres according to Department of Home Affairs. I wonder if they won the tender.

Appointment of a service provider to supply, delivery and maintenance of UPS, Generators and air-conditioners for data centres in DHA offices in Kwazulu Natal, Limpopo and Western Cape.
...

7 UPS Direct (Pty) Ltd
011 879 8800011 879 8810
51C Galaxy Avenue
Linbro Business Park
Sandton
2090

http://www.dha.gov.za/index.php/component/content/article/34-bids-received/482-dha02-2014

@FrankLee the search is based on the information related to the company name you received.

 

[ToxicBunny]

I was under the impression it was Telkom. This particular bank account of mine only have debit orders from Telkom, CellC, Vodacom and King Price Insurance so the leak definitely came from one of them. Perhaps we can narrow down the culprit company.

Nope, the leak didn't definitely come from one of them. If could have come from the bank, it could have been guessed as well since bank accounts follow a pattern.

 

[Sinbad]

I reckon this was a random spray of numbers.

 

[Jings]

How do you know it wasn't Telkom? God complex much??

It's very possible a third party helped themselves to the details used for these unauthorized deductions. Someone who had access to the data.

 

[lord-of-war]

I also have a debit order for Telkom Mobile and Outsourance . . .

 

[krieg]

Nope, the leak didn't definitely come from one of them. If could have come from the bank, it could have been guessed as well since bank accounts follow a pattern.

I don't follow it was across different banks ABSA, SB, FNB, CAPITEC? Yes they could use random bank account numbers but how do they link the account holder's name to the debit order that is needed?

 

[Sinbad]

I don't follow it was across different banks ABSA, SB, FNB, CAPITEC? Yes they could use random bank account numbers but how do they link the account holder's name to the debit order that is needed?

Do they need the name?

 

[ToxicBunny]

I don't follow it was across different banks ABSA, SB, FNB, CAPITEC? Yes they could use random bank account numbers but how do they link the account holder's name to the debit order that is needed?

What does the name achieve? They don't need it.

 

[ToxicBunny]

How do you know it wasn't Telkom? God complex much??

Hardly... it just involves engaging a few brain cells to see that there are MANY points of failure in the system, and Telkom are NOT the point of commonality between all the incidents.

 

[Lee623]

UPs Nconnups15, debit order on FNB account done as well, reversed the R99, but when going in saying amount runing due 1499. Does anyone know who this company is mine states no reference

 

[krieg]

What does the name achieve? They don't need it.[/QUOTE

I'm guessing to avoid erroneously debiting the wrong account. When you load your mag tape instructions for the bank it's not just account numbers and amounts. Maybe somebody working for a bank can give us more details.