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If the (up to) 156kbps was at least 512kbps, I'd be very interested.
The problem with these packages is everyone's going to take a wait and see approach. But something tells me Neotel doesn't mind. I get the impression they launched these packages because they felt the had to (public pressure). They're not expecting huge sign-ups just yet. I might be wrong though.
I also think their network is wrapped in cotton wool for now./
Increase the speed Neotel. (Up to) 156kbps is virtually dial-up, if you consider it's wireless and signal strength can reduce the speed and increase the latency.
The problem with these packages is everyone's going to take a wait and see approach. But something tells me Neotel doesn't mind. I get the impression they launched these packages because they felt the had to (public pressure). They're not expecting huge sign-ups just yet. I might be wrong though.
I also think their network is wrapped in cotton wool for now./
Increase the speed Neotel. (Up to) 156kbps is virtually dial-up, if you consider it's wireless and signal strength can reduce the speed and increase the latency.
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i think you meant kbps not kps
Doc_Mortis
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oh great basically uncapped ISDN wireless :-(
bekdik
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Damn! Even 384Kbps is not really good enough, so 156 is just stupid.
eltherza
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Raise it to 384 and i'd look into getting the unlimited option.. of course, assuming there is a non-contract option.
Beri
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why not stick to the max 2,4 if i use my 2gig in 4 days it is my bad, then sell me 2 more. i can see there is no rep in this forum, neotel works for telkom
I'm sick of this ****e..
Ether offer true broadband or don't offer anything.
Price is still prohibitive...... the packages need to be structured as so:
* SHAPED and UNCAPED starting from 512 @ R150 incrementing by R50 for every 512
* UNSHAPED and CAPED @ 30 GB starting from 512 @ R125 incrementing by R25 for every 512
Reason for this is that there is no cost in providing wired infrastructure, so your cost is same if you have 10 or 100 ppl connecting to your base staion.
Thus more ppl can hook up and sooner you recover your fraking investment.
For crying out loud.
Ether offer true broadband or don't offer anything.
Price is still prohibitive...... the packages need to be structured as so:
* SHAPED and UNCAPED starting from 512 @ R150 incrementing by R50 for every 512
* UNSHAPED and CAPED @ 30 GB starting from 512 @ R125 incrementing by R25 for every 512
Reason for this is that there is no cost in providing wired infrastructure, so your cost is same if you have 10 or 100 ppl connecting to your base staion.
Thus more ppl can hook up and sooner you recover your fraking investment.
For crying out loud.
HaltAndCatchFire
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Well if the 156kbps unlimited one is actually going to be 156kbps and not something like 64kbps, i reckon it is not a bad option for someone who is bandwidth hungry, if you want to download loads of stuff and you are prepared to wait for it I actually think it is not half bad. I remember when I first got adsl (192 kbps) and just after the WebAfrica's legendary 30gb for R199 offer was gone, those where the days, I used to connect my isdn on infinity call all weekend and download for R14 and about R50 a month, excluding isp and line rental. But it was nice I could get a couple of gigs in a weekend on something that had a theoretical unlimited download cap...
And I used my ADSL during the week and for normal browsing but when I wanted to download say the new gentoo stage 2 iso, I just started it over the weekend and come Monday I had it.
I think we can all agree that it is a step in the right direction, I see Neotel trucks every morning on my way to work, even some causing some traffic problems but I know That the thick orange and blue cable that is going into the ground is going to make a difference some day...
And I used my ADSL during the week and for normal browsing but when I wanted to download say the new gentoo stage 2 iso, I just started it over the weekend and come Monday I had it.
I think we can all agree that it is a step in the right direction, I see Neotel trucks every morning on my way to work, even some causing some traffic problems but I know That the thick orange and blue cable that is going into the ground is going to make a difference some day...
BFK
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on net minutes?
"On-net minutes free" what exactly does this mean? if you phone neotel to neotel?
"On-net minutes free" what exactly does this mean? if you phone neotel to neotel?
You know what, those are the basic things. Core offering, the rudimentary things.
We haven't even started thinking of fiber access or questioning the contention ratio on ur lines/exchanges/base stations.
Bottom line is that there can be no excuse for not having a FIRST world network infrastructure , be it wired or wireless, the gainormous amount of money that will have to be layed out can be recovered in the years before, during and post the soccer world cup.
BUT YOU HAVE TO BE READY YESTERDAY.
What a frak is wrong with all of ya BEE stuck up corporate leaches, yuo have to spend money to make money, and if you are only going to be capable of offering services after the parade is gone by .... guess what... you will never recover your investment...... simply because ppl like me that give a shaite will be gone and who the frak will yo sell your stupid services to ... ???????
We haven't even started thinking of fiber access or questioning the contention ratio on ur lines/exchanges/base stations.
Bottom line is that there can be no excuse for not having a FIRST world network infrastructure , be it wired or wireless, the gainormous amount of money that will have to be layed out can be recovered in the years before, during and post the soccer world cup.
BUT YOU HAVE TO BE READY YESTERDAY.
What a frak is wrong with all of ya BEE stuck up corporate leaches, yuo have to spend money to make money, and if you are only going to be capable of offering services after the parade is gone by .... guess what... you will never recover your investment...... simply because ppl like me that give a shaite will be gone and who the frak will yo sell your stupid services to ... ???????
Yeah i agree, i think their unlimited offer is a move in the right direction, and for many people will be a very good option. Its simple really, come seacom we will have the bandwidth we need. Untill then, it just a waiting game.
HaltAndCatchFire
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+1
Yeah there is still bandwidth costs and infrastructure to consider. Come Seacom we all hope it will drive prices down, but as it stands now Neotel won't sell something at rock bottom prices, they need to build their future services, and as far as I can tell at the moment it is geared towards the big money large enterprises, and unfortunately for the average Joe, that is how it should be... Even though you believe that, its "farking" expensive and it costs them nothing there are strategic things to consider, why do you think nobody sells cars at a very different price than all the other manufactures? The market rules, its about making sustainable money, sell something within the price segment of you competitors maybe even a bit lower and make money, its the sad truth,
We as consumers are all fed up with high prices and inferior products but, Neotel is a business just like any other business they are in it for the money not to please every consumer. Hopefully they will provide healthy competition, which will automatically drive prices down, in a fight for clients but in 10 or so years it will stabilizes as both Telkom and Neotel have strong client bases and both making money, then the scary part of duopoly, the insider talks where they agree to make the market competitive for both companies and charge almost the same for services. Sounds familiar, ala Vodacom, Mtn? We need to open up the market and de-regularize and unbundle loops to really see competition. But until that day comes I will keep a watchful eye on the situation and will only "jump ship" when I see a really competitive, product, but I say again Neotel, I believe has the right strategy and the products when compared to Telkom are very competitive.
Yeah there is still bandwidth costs and infrastructure to consider. Come Seacom we all hope it will drive prices down, but as it stands now Neotel won't sell something at rock bottom prices, they need to build their future services, and as far as I can tell at the moment it is geared towards the big money large enterprises, and unfortunately for the average Joe, that is how it should be... Even though you believe that, its "farking" expensive and it costs them nothing there are strategic things to consider, why do you think nobody sells cars at a very different price than all the other manufactures? The market rules, its about making sustainable money, sell something within the price segment of you competitors maybe even a bit lower and make money, its the sad truth,
We as consumers are all fed up with high prices and inferior products but, Neotel is a business just like any other business they are in it for the money not to please every consumer. Hopefully they will provide healthy competition, which will automatically drive prices down, in a fight for clients but in 10 or so years it will stabilizes as both Telkom and Neotel have strong client bases and both making money, then the scary part of duopoly, the insider talks where they agree to make the market competitive for both companies and charge almost the same for services. Sounds familiar, ala Vodacom, Mtn? We need to open up the market and de-regularize and unbundle loops to really see competition. But until that day comes I will keep a watchful eye on the situation and will only "jump ship" when I see a really competitive, product, but I say again Neotel, I believe has the right strategy and the products when compared to Telkom are very competitive.
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TimTDP
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Do these prices include ISP fees or do I still need an independent ISP?
If I still need an ISP, will I be charged @ DSL rates?
If I still need an ISP, will I be charged @ DSL rates?
HaltAndCatchFire
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As far as I know this is an all inclusive product no need for additional ISP, charges, Neotel will be your ISP and your "Telkom"....
Chevron
Serial breaker of phones
When I read that headline I expected a comparison against the cell providers and not some table detailing Neotels options.
It's uncapped and unshaped people! Get with the program. iBursts uncapped packages are 64Kps and super shaped.
You can cancel your service at any time. The only thing you are bound to for 24months is paying off the hardware.
Because it will be more expensive as each tower will be able to support fewer people and require more bandwidth as the beginning and end of the month the usage will peak.
Also by offering the cheaper package it becomes more affordable for ordinary south africans. There will most likely be a Neotel Prime 2gig offering at a later date.
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If its R299 for 2GB, then maybe we'll see a 1GB @ R199 and a 500MB @ R99. Then maybe iBurst will re-think their 40MB offer