Netflix not making dedicated Apple Vision Pro app

Dolby said:
ie If Apple goes to YouTube and says 'you're more htan welcome to have your app on our store - but we don't like or support the VP9 codec you've chosen' ... who is at 'fault' ? Being an Apple person you'd say YouTube - but can you see how the limitations imposed also limit YouTube? Are you capable of understanding that much?
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What does the codec have to do with not refreshing the app? As far as I can tell the codec hasn’t led to missing titles in iOS or tvOS. This is merely you applying your mental gymnastics once again.

Dolby said:
The below doesn't look like you're agreeing with me & you probably could have worded your agreement better

Are you ?
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I’m open to the idea of bad blood. Where I don’t agree is that it’s Apple’s fault by default as it is with you and then working backwards. You’re one of those people where there is a problem with every solution.

Dolby said:
a) I said they don't have great blood between them
b) I said that more than likely politics / commercials are the reason
c) I asked whether you feel strict guidelines are a type of limition
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And then immediately infer that lack of development is Apple’s fault… It’s tiresome.

Dolby said:
It's tough to talk to people so illogical that get upset at the first sign that Apple may not be perfect in a situation and thus, need to look for and argue their way out on behalf of Apple.
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I’m not upset because I’m well aware that Apple is far from perfect. I just don’t go around nitpicking.
 
Hush9300 said:
What does the codec have to do with not refreshing the app? As far as I can tell the codec hasn’t led to missing titles in iOS or tvOS. This is merely you applying your mental gymnastics once again.
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Whew .

Ok, we're looping & you're not wanting to grasp anything . Let's try one more time too dumb this down - otherwise, you can just win by default . Deal? :)
  • Company A wants to put an app into an online store .
  • Company B says 'sure - but you need to have a photo of a giant sloth as a splash screen'
  • Company A goes ahead and adds the giant sloth photo.
Who's fault is it that there is a giant sloth ion the app splash screen?
And if they don't want to add that giant sloth - then whose fault is it that it isn't there?

In adult speak, Apple have their guidelines and there's a good probabilty that it differs from what Netflix want to do - so much easier to rather focus on & change the willing parties.

Hush9300 said:
I’m open to the idea of bad blood
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It doesn't look it ...

Hush9300 said:
Where I don’t agree is that it’s Apple’s fault by default as it is with you and then working backwards
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Well, look historically at Apple & how they work with 3rd parties?
Look at HomePod ? Look at the audio side? Look at the app store rejections?

  • They have a closed ecosytem
  • They have tight control over that ecosystem
  • They have tight control over their own store & what goes in it
  • They have stringest guidelines
  • They generally don't want to work with anyone
So as a balance of probablities - whose could it be now?

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These are also strained relationships?

Spotify definitely is - and I think the YouTune VP9 issue also left a bit of a sour taste in their mouth.

Epic don’t like Apple … neither does Elon Musk and the collection of apps that follow him. Masimo are probably not going to bother as they aren’t a fan. I don’t think Facebook like them much either .

I hope Apple haven’t alienated people that this will flop
 
Dolby said:
These are also strained relationships?

Spotify definitely is - and I think the YouTune VP9 issue also left a bit of a sour taste in their mouth.

Epic don’t like Apple … neither does Elon Musk and the collection of apps that follow him. Masimo are probably not going to bother as they aren’t a fan. I don’t think Facebook like them much either .

I hope Apple haven’t alienated people that this will flop
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See, this is why it's hard to hold a coherent conversation with you regarding anything Apple... You can't stay on topic and everything is their fault.

Maybe you should ask yourself why these companies, with their strained relationships, don't just remove their apps from the App Store? I'll tell you why though... If they did they would lose access to 1.5 billion users and piss them off in the process. It's the same reason why Google pays Apple some $20 Billion to be the default search engine. These relationships are not binary, as you would have us believe, so your random associations of blame are largely irrelevant.

Regarding Epic, they deliberately broke App Store rules, were rightly kicked off and then proceeded to make complete fools of themselves in court. All because they feel they're entitled to a free ride.
 
Mike Hoxbig said:
What percentage of their user base uses this headset that makes it so large?
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I was referring to iOS and how Netflix eventually had to refresh the app which is contrary to the Vision Pro which as of now is only sold in one market at a prohibitive price point. This simple fact makes developing for it easy to ignore and not the mental gymnastics that it is Apple's fault or that it is because the relationship is strained.
 
Hush9300 said:
See, this is why it's hard to hold a coherent conversation with you regarding anything Apple... You can't stay on topic and everything is their fault
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How have I moveed off topics ?

I literally said 'Netflix has a strained relationship' ... and the topic is about Netflix not making an app on Apple' ?

I've explained WHY I've said that ... I've given you examples of why I said that ... I've broken down comments for a 10 year old to understand ... and then I've said you can win & believe whatever you want to believe ? I'm so sorry that Apple is not the angel that you believe.
Hush9300 said:
Maybe you should ask yourself why these companies, with their strained relationships, don't just remove their apps from the App Store? I'll tell you why though... If they did they would lose access to 1.5 billion users and piss them off in the process.
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Yes ? So ? We agree ? I'm not eally understndiong where you are going?
Hush9300 said:
It's the same reason why Google pays Apple some $20 Billion to be the default search engine.
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Great? Must I applaude you or them?
Again, not quite sure where you are going?
Hush9300 said:
so your random associations of blame are largely irrelevant
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Random?
Ok?

Hush9300 said:
Regarding Epic, they deliberately broke App Store rules, were rightly kicked off and then proceeded to make complete fools of themselves in court. All because they feel they're entitled to a free ride.
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Great ?
Not sure where you are going?
 
@Hush9300 I urge you to come join us in the world so that we can all hcat & understand things . Take off the glasses and see the world as most other people see it

It's fantastic out here !
 
Jesus Christ... The reason for the lack of app has little to do with strained relationships but rather the simple fact that there are just not enough users of the device around to justify the development costs.

It is the same with the Apple TV app because users are a minority.
 
Hush9300 said:
Jesus Christ... The reason for the lack of app has little to do with strained relationships but rather the simple fact that there are just not enough users of the device around to justify the development costs.

It is the same with the Apple TV app because users are a minority.
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Ah - ok :)
 
Hush9300 said:
I was referring to iOS and how Netflix eventually had to refresh the app which is contrary to the Vision Pro which as of now is only sold in one market at a prohibitive price point. This simple fact makes developing for it easy to ignore and not the mental gymnastics that it is Apple's fault or that it is because the relationship is strained.
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So they're not alienating anyone then, by not releasing an app for this device until there's a market for it? We seem to be in agreement then.

Do you think an Apple TV or iPad user cares if there's no app on the Vision? So what does iOS have to do with it when there's an app on other iOS devices?
Hush9300 said:
Even if blood isn't great as you put it, you don't alienate a large portion of your userbase because of it. Netflix, as an incumbent, will get away with this because the Vision Pro is prohibitively expensive at the moment and consumers don't know where and how this sort of tech places in their daily lives.
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So who exactly are they alienating then? Your point is that even if blood isn't great, so we can remove strained relationships from this. I'm still not sure which large portion of their userbase is being alienated...
 
Mike Hoxbig said:
So they're not alienating anyone then, by not releasing an app for this device until there's a market for it? We seem to be in agreement then.
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This was never the issue. It is precisely what I said in very beginning.

Mike Hoxbig said:
Do you think an Apple TV or iPad user cares if there's no app on the Vision? So what does iOS have to do with it when there's an app on other iOS devices?
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No, but Apple TV users are cranky about the lack of updates to the Apple TV app.

Mike Hoxbig said:
So who exactly are they alienating then? Your point is that even if blood isn't great, so we can remove strained relationships from this. I'm still not sure which large portion of their userbase is being alienated...
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This whole discussion came about because Dolby mentioned the "bad blood" and I responded by saying that even if there is bad blood you don't alienate a large portion of your users (the reference being how the Netflix iOS app is treated in comparison to the tvOS app) to which Dolby implied it is due to Apple interference.
 
Hush9300 said:
This whole discussion came about because Dolby mentioned the "bad blood"
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Yup - there is bad blood & tension between the two companies
Hush9300 said:
and I responded by saying that even if there is bad blood you don't alienate a large portion of your users (the reference being how the Netflix iOS app is treated in comparison to the tvOS app)
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That part you added afterwards - so reading the initial statement, it doesn't read like that at all
Hush9300 said:
to which Dolby implied it is due to Apple interference.
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The guidelines & requirements that need to be met is intereference?

But anyway - my very first comment was probably the bad blood which really upset you because ... Apple. And then you felt the need to go on for pages and pages because ... Apple. I just politely asked you to remove your glasses and see the world f rom a real perspective
 
Hush9300 said:
It is the same with the Apple TV app because users are a minority.
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They asy Xiaomi has 4% of the streaming market , Roku 3% and Apple TV 2% .

Should we assume then that the magic number for Netflix is between 2% and 3%?
2% and it's too few users and 3% is just right?
What happens when Apple hit 3% and Netflix still don't refresh the app?

The way I see it, you can use the user number excuse anymore ... so you better start thinking about something else .
 
Netflix fail to understand something important.

1. They’re a content provider not a hardware manufacturer. They should develop for ALL platforms and if they haven’t yet, they should difffentiate between “we haven’t yet” and “we’re not going to.” They should make for all platforms.l and be platform agnostic. It’s not like they don’t have a Dev team.

2. Yes people say it’s a small niche group who own Apples headset. But you missing a big point. It’s a small WELL-OFF group. People who have money and more than likely have multiple Netflix streaming devices and more than likely are paying for multiple Netflix family and 4K accounts. So you tell them to get lost, you’re not losing just an Apple Vision Netflix subscriber. They’re going to lose more.

I think Netflix is either in an agreement with another headset provider and this is the result of that, which is dumb but anyways. Or they’re just being dumb. Either way, it’s dumb.

However since they’re also turning into WokeTV Inc, one wonders if this is an actual loss at all anyway.
 
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