New e-toll proposal expected soon: Mokonyane

If anything it strengthens peoples resolve against this BS
 
McCrazieGoalz said:
Gauteng has much better highway roads than four years ago - FACT.
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Sorry, but I disagree. Four years ago I could get to work in 20 minutes... now it takes me 30 to 40 minutes.

Not to mention the four years of terribly disruptive road works that have cost me thousands of rands in wasted fuel, car wear and tear, cracked windscreens, car scratches, etc.

Also... The roads that I use frequently (the N3 by Gilooleys and the N12 south of Johannesburg are not finished yet and ARE MORE THAN A YEAR BEHIND SCHEDULE.

Now they are already ripping up fresh tar to re-do it because they messed it up the first time.

It has been nothing but four years of hell... and there is no end in sight.
 
Garyvdh said:
Sorry, but I disagree. Four years ago I could get to work in 20 minutes... now it takes me 30 to 40 minutes.

Not to mention the four years of terribly disruptive road works that have cost me thousands of rands in wasted fuel, car wear and tear, cracked windscreens, car scratches, etc.

Also... The roads that I use frequently (the N3 by Gilooleys and the N12 south of Johannesburg are not finished yet and ARE MORE THAN A YEAR BEHIND SCHEDULE.

Now they are already ripping up fresh tar to re-do it because they messed it up the first time.

It has been nothing but four years of hell... and there is no end in sight.
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The quality of the new roads is shocking.
The surface does not encourage water runoff. In the rain it's like driving through a lake. The drainage is appalling too. Under the toll gantry in Midrand on the N1 south, water gathers in a seriously dangerous pool. You often blinded by the car next to you throwing up sheets of water from the accumulated puddles.

The surface is deteriorating and breaking up ALREADY.

If I was the person who contracted for this work, I would have demanded my money back. It's PISS POOR.
 
falcon786 said:
Huh?Firstly the other provinces already get alot of money from Gauteng so even with a fuel levy Gauteng is still giving billions to other provinces.
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Now I'm not sure what you're talking about here. Are you trying to tell me that there is a secret allocation of provincial tax funds to other provinces? Surely not...

falcon786 said:
Almost half the municipalities in SA are bankrupt.
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Firstly, I'm not sure what the prevalence has to do with the situation. Secondly, many are under national administration - that does not mean that they are bankrupt...

Madman88 said:
This is Sanral, what has it got to do with the province itself :confused:
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SANRAL's only shareholder is the government, who were effectivly contracted by the province. As is evident by the repayment scheme, this was not taken from the fiscus...

eehellfire said:
Other people in Gauteng will be prejudiced. When retailers up their prices to compensate for the increase in transport costs, consumers in Soweto, Boksburg, Brakpan, Lenasia, Alberton etc will all cough up more to pay for some highways along the JHB-PTA route that they never use.
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Well that's a silly argument - you're effectivly proposing that we toll each and every road in South Africa, as it is the only way to have a truly accurate method of pay-per-use. YOu might as well bitch about improvements made to roads within your suburb that you don't use. You could go as far as to state that you only ever use half the road too...

rakabos3 said:
F#$$%ck you Pravin
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Not Pravin's fault at all. Blame the greedy sons of bitches who initiated this whole process. While I don't agree with an across-the-board taxation as a sustainable repayment method, he did do what he could to minimise the impact. He can only do what he is tasked to do...

Sinbad said:
The quality of the new roads is shocking.
The surface does not encourage water runoff. In the rain it's like driving through a lake. The drainage is appalling too. Under the toll gantry in Midrand on the N1 south, water gathers in a seriously dangerous pool. You often blinded by the car next to you throwing up sheets of water from the accumulated puddles.

The surface is deteriorating and breaking up ALREADY.

If I was the person who contracted for this work, I would have demanded my money back. It's PISS POOR.
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Agreed - they are already in a shocking state of affairs, and as Gary pointed out, much of this "improvement" process is ridiculously behind schedule. I'm not sure penalty clauses exist in this contract - if memory serves correct, they don't. In which case we're coughing up even more...
 
And those suggesting a 1% VAT increase - are you absolutely insane? While VAT has no direct impact on inflation in the strictest economic definitions, the implementation is the issue as VAT is very rarely increased in isolation. While VAT is seen as revenue neutral, it certainly impacts purchasing power and increases price parity (which is already a huge issue in SA) and therefore its subsequent indirect inflationary impact can never truly be calculated - but it does exist.

More than just that, logic dictates that a sustained VAT increase would see the project pay for itself over and over and over and over, considering the nature of VAT...
 
DJ... said:
SANRAL's only shareholder is the government, who were effectivly contracted by the province. As is evident by the repayment scheme, this was not taken from the fiscus...
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Then how would the tolls help Sanral with its near bankruptcy? No, youre mistaken. The national roads have nothing to do with local government. And since all the highways are national roads, they fall directly under Sanral.

None of the money that is gathered through tolls will go to local government in any way. Like the fuel levy, it all goes 100% to Sanral to use as they see fit.
 
I think it is time for us as a nation to stand up against this.

I know most attempts at something like this has been talked about and then dissolved into nothing more than chatter over a braai.

Can anyone enlighten me on civil disobedience - at what point does it become treason - and a criminal offence?

The only way we will make the ANC stop raping us is to use force.

I'm dreading the outbreak of true violence in this country, but what else can we do?
 
BeVonk! said:
So, you guys want me here in Cape Town to pay extra tax for a fancy road in Joburg?
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No one consulted me about this before, now it gets forced down my throat. There are so many etoll ads now, but where was the publicity about the planned tolls BEFORE they started. I would of told them stfu then.

Anyways as per the mybb salary survey, we earn more here so we pay more taxes in any case :P

Edit: And over the past two years or so we have to drive in the badly planned and badly marked construction sites while they doing the road works, putting our lives at risk and destroying our cars! SO stfu Mokonyane and f off I aint paying!
 
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Madman88 said:
Then how would the tolls help Sanral with its near bankruptcy?
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Er, SANRAL have to date taken on the liabilities of the project. There has been no income due to there being no tolling yet...

Madman88 said:
Then how would the tolls help Sanral with its near bankruptcy? No, youre mistaken. The national roads have nothing to do with local government. And since all the highways are national roads, they fall directly under Sanral.

None of the money that is gathered through tolls will go to local government in any way. Like the fuel levy, it all goes 100% to Sanral to use as they see fit.
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Who do you think foots SANRAL's bills (up until now)? When SANRAL issue bonds, do you honestly believe that it's not the government guaranteeing them (as the only shareholder)? They don't operate differently to any other parastatal (which they are). What do you think happens when SANRAL goes tits-up?
 
There are 8.8 million people in gp. Of which we can assume more than 25% are unemployed. So lets say (for arguements sake) there are 7 million income earners in gp.

Having to pay back 60 billion, that would mean it costs each income earner in gp over R8500 for the roads.

Are they worth it?
 
The roads are shocking and still messed up, but here is my pay,ent breakdown. I have to pay 38% tax, 14% vat, fuel levy, sin tax, rates and taxes on my property, tv license for crap tv, so the 35% of my salary that I have left I have to cough up further for etolls. How much of my already government pilfered salary do I have to pay. The service is shocking the roads are terrible the traffic is still bad even with 4 lanes it still takes me the same time to get to work so no benefit there and you can imagine consumer prices will increase because of the increase in delivery cost. So this effects everyone in some way or another.
 
Come live in PE. Driving somewhere seldom takes more than 10-20 minutes and petrol is all you need worry about. And the roads are in excellent condition.
 
2012 said:
There are 8.8 million people in gp. Of which we can assume more than 25% are unemployed. So lets say (for arguements sake) there are 7 million income earners in gp.

Having to pay back 60 billion, that would mean it costs each income earner in gp over R8500 for the roads.

Are they worth it?
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LOL, there are only about 6million registered tax payers in the while country!
 
Bryn26 said:
Come live in PE. Driving somewhere seldom takes more than 10-20 minutes and petrol is all you need worry about. And the roads are in excellent condition.
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Ja but what's the demand for specialist IT skills in the integration space? I suspect I'd have to cut my salary by over 50%... Worth it?probably not.
 
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