New e-toll proposal expected soon: Mokonyane

[falcon786]

The improvement process was the problem child all along. We have been immensely overcharged; we upgraded roads that didn't need upgrading; we were subjected to a dictatorial decision-making process when the decision was made; the impact assessements were never completed properly; the forecasting was all wrong; the numbers were fudged when certain irregularities were highlighted; alternatives were snubbed because the decision was made by a dictator with a vested interest etc etc etc.

The tolling system really has become a necessary evil because of all of the poor (and possibly corrupt) decisions made back in 2007. It is the most fair system of the lot as it is the only way to broaden the tax base effectively without prejudicing other provinces. A fuel levy doesn't actually solve the problem to be honest and creates a pretty piss-poor precedent.

Even a boycott will result in higher taxes as the costs have already been incurred for the province. We either bankrupt the province or cough up. That's the ridiculous situation our useless bloody ANC-led government has placed us in. It is all a part of their Robin Hood strategy, which according to whispers in the hallway is an actual ANC policy that remains under wraps (for now)...

Huh?Firstly the other provinces already get alot of money from Gauteng so even with a fuel levy Gauteng is still giving billions to other provinces.Almost half the municipalities in SA are bankrupt.But I sort of agree with you that a fuel levy shouldnt be implemented,what is the current one being used for again?

Secondly whats up with the robin hood strategy accusations?This will be hard felt mainly by the middle to lower income population....for the rich this is peanuts.If anything they should rather tax you a percentage on that new car you bought.....wait that environmental levy from new car sales goes where to exactly?Maybe it should be used to pay for the roads because I don't see anything being done for the actual environment with it.

 

[Budza]

The improvement process was the problem child all along. We have been immensely overcharged; we upgraded roads that didn't need upgrading; we were subjected to a dictatorial decision-making process when the decision was made; the impact assessements were never completed properly; the forecasting was all wrong; the numbers were fudged when certain irregularities were highlighted; alternatives were snubbed because the decision was made by a dictator with a vested interest etc etc etc.

The tolling system really has become a necessary evil because of all of the poor (and possibly corrupt) decisions made back in 2007. It is the most fair system of the lot as it is the only way to broaden the tax base effectively without prejudicing other provinces. A fuel levy doesn't actually solve the problem to be honest and creates a pretty piss-poor precedent.

Even a boycott will result in higher taxes as the costs have already been incurred for the province. We either bankrupt the province or cough up. That's the ridiculous situation our useless bloody ANC-led government has placed us in. It is all a part of their Robin Hood strategy, which according to whispers in the hallway is an actual ANC policy that remains under wraps (for now)...

Most level headed response so far.

I still think it should come out of the fiscus. That at least depletes the gravy a bit, which will hurt them where it counts most.

 

[hashbrown99]

Firstly, I refuse outright to pay for something I've already paid for. @#$% you.

Secondly, you would complain if you received substandard goods that you'd paid for, so why do I need to pay for substandard roads?

In addition to the faults listed above, the tar from at least as far back as Beyers Naude to Rivonia has shifted terribly and is dangerous, damaging and annoying. The section from Fourways to Rivonia, in the rain, is positively suicidal. I was caught up there in a BIG storm a few weeks ago and every car in every lane through the one section was aquaplaning. Scary stuff!

In conclusion, I'd like to sign off by, again, saying #%@$ you.

Well said. Not paying twice for something I didn't want in the first place

 

[xumwun]

So, you guys want me here in Cape Town to pay extra tax for a fancy road in Joburg?

Fancy is hardly a word to describe them.

 

[wily me]

I still won't pay any tolls. It's just another way of stealing hard earned funds.

 

[Mars]

The improvement process was the problem child all along. We have been immensely overcharged; we upgraded roads that didn't need upgrading; we were subjected to a dictatorial decision-making process when the decision was made; the impact assessements were never completed properly; the forecasting was all wrong; the numbers were fudged when certain irregularities were highlighted; alternatives were snubbed because the decision was made by a dictator with a vested interest etc etc etc.

The tolling system really has become a necessary evil because of all of the poor (and possibly corrupt) decisions made back in 2007. It is the most fair system of the lot as it is the only way to broaden the tax base effectively without prejudicing other provinces. A fuel levy doesn't actually solve the problem to be honest and creates a pretty piss-poor precedent.

Even a boycott will result in higher taxes as the costs have already been incurred for the province. We either bankrupt the province or cough up. That's the ridiculous situation our useless bloody ANC-led government has placed us in. It is all a part of their Robin Hood strategy, which according to whispers in the hallway is an actual ANC policy that remains under wraps (for now)...

This is Sanral, what has it got to do with the province itself


Like I said before, I will pay toll once each of those people that made these corrupt deals is convicted. I will not pay as long as those who benefited corruptly from this deal (including the construction companies that grossly overcharged) walk free.

If we just say 'Oh well I guess we must pay' and those who benefit from this walk then that creates a pretty piss-poor precedent and it will just keep happening over and over.

 

[hellfire]

The tolling system really has become a necessary evil because of all of the poor (and possibly corrupt) decisions made back in 2007. It is the most fair system of the lot as it is the only way to broaden the tax base effectively without prejudicing other provinces. A fuel levy doesn't actually solve the problem to be honest and creates a pretty piss-poor precedent.

Other people in Gauteng will be prejudiced. When retailers up their prices to compensate for the increase in transport costs, consumers in Soweto, Boksburg, Brakpan, Lenasia, Alberton etc will all cough up more to pay for some highways along the JHB-PTA route that they never use.

 

[Happy Camper]

Firstly, I refuse outright to pay for something I've already paid for. @#$% you.

Secondly, you would complain if you received substandard goods that you'd paid for, so why do I need to pay for substandard roads?

In addition to the faults listed above, the tar from at least as far back as Beyers Naude to Rivonia has shifted terribly and is dangerous, damaging and annoying. The section from Fourways to Rivonia, in the rain, is positively suicidal. I was caught up there in a BIG storm a few weeks ago and every car in every lane through the one section was aquaplaning. Scary stuff!

In conclusion, I'd like to sign off by, again, saying #%@$ you.

The drainage on the roads is certainly not good enough, i was on that stretch of highway on Sunday night and the heavens opened, the road became a river, literally! Its pretty dangerous stuff imo! Not good enough SANRAL!

 

[McCrazieGoalz]

The improvement process was the problem child all along. We have been immensely overcharged; we upgraded roads that didn't need upgrading; we were subjected to a dictatorial decision-making process when the decision was made; the impact assessements were never completed properly; the forecasting was all wrong; the numbers were fudged when certain irregularities were highlighted; alternatives were snubbed because the decision was made by a dictator with a vested interest etc etc etc.

The tolling system really has become a necessary evil because of all of the poor (and possibly corrupt) decisions made back in 2007. It is the most fair system of the lot as it is the only way to broaden the tax base effectively without prejudicing other provinces. A fuel levy doesn't actually solve the problem to be honest and creates a pretty piss-poor precedent.

Even a boycott will result in higher taxes as the costs have already been incurred for the province. We either bankrupt the province or cough up. That's the ridiculous situation our useless bloody ANC-led government has placed us in. It is all a part of their Robin Hood strategy, which according to whispers in the hallway is an actual ANC policy that remains under wraps (for now)...

I second your nomination for president DJ... .

The fact is, "YOU GET WHAT YOU PAY FOR".

Gauteng has much better highway roads than four years ago - FACT.

The one point that should be taken into consideration from your post DJ is that if the money is taken out of the coffers, those who would be paying for the roads would not all be the ones benefiting from them. It is a specific project for a specific purpose for specific users. Not all Gautengers use these road so taking it from the Gauteng coffers would be unfair to those in Gauteng who don't use them.

If we decide not to pay, we will get what we deserve. And that is pot holes on those highways for instance, two years down the line.

I think the discussion should really be what rate to charge because R200 per month for a 10km (return) route is truly ridiculous.

 

[za1]

Fondue Oscilloscope?

Of course thats what he meant, or in our universe fcku off

 

[AniV]

A better method of raising fiscal income would be to add 1% to VAT. That way everyone gets to pay.
People that aren't paying income tax will still have to buy everyday items in shops, so they will be taxed in that regard as well, instead of riding on the gravy train that is income taxation.

I don't know about this. Your proposal makes sense, but I really don't like the idea of changing VAT.
It's been 14% for so many years. Sure, 15% is probably an easier figure to calculate in your head, but adjusting something that has been an accepted fixture for so many years could cause a lot of issues. Every single payment system and business in SA would need to adjust their systems, their invoices, their quotes, etc. to accommodate the new figure.

And once they start raising VAT, or changing VAT, what will stop them from changing it again and again as it suits them?
It's better to have a single, stable value, imo... even though I have to agree that the proposal has merit.

 

[wily me]

The improvement process was the problem child all along. We have been immensely overcharged; we upgraded roads that didn't need upgrading; we were subjected to a dictatorial decision-making process when the decision was made; the impact assessements were never completed properly; the forecasting was all wrong; the numbers were fudged when certain irregularities were highlighted; alternatives were snubbed because the decision was made by a dictator with a vested interest etc etc etc.

The tolling system really has become a necessary evil because of all of the poor (and possibly corrupt) decisions made back in 2007. It is the most fair system of the lot as it is the only way to broaden the tax base effectively without prejudicing other provinces. A fuel levy doesn't actually solve the problem to be honest and creates a pretty piss-poor precedent.

Even a boycott will result in higher taxes as the costs have already been incurred for the province. We either bankrupt the province or cough up. That's the ridiculous situation our useless bloody ANC-led government has placed us in. It is all a part of their Robin Hood strategy, which according to whispers in the hallway is an actual ANC policy that remains under wraps (for now)...

I still refuse to pay. If they stop plundering the economy and spend the taxes where they should have then this would not have been necessary. But I presume we must cater for all the criminals in government too!

 

[Sinbad]

Well, Pravin has allocated R5.8bn to sanral to ease the GFIP debt (which is 20bn). So they're still gonna toll but hopefully not as high.

 

[Heisenborg]

F#$$%ck you Pravin

"The statement indicated that the special appropriation by government will ensure that tariffs are reduced for vehicles with e-tags to 30c per km for light vehicles, 20c per km for motorcycles, 75c for non-articulated trucks and R1.51 for articulated trucks."


"The debt of Sanral will increase to R59bn and to ensure sustainability, the minister of transport will table the necessary legislation to provide Sanral with enforcement powers for tolling, the joint statement reads."


http://www.moneyweb.co.za/mw/view/mw/en/page302588?oid=562636&sn=2009+Detail

 

[Vrotappel]

In a joint statement by the minister of transport S’bu Ndebele and minister of finance Pravin Gordhan it was also made public that the tolling will start on the 30th of April 2012.

The statement indicated that the special appropriation by government will ensure that tariffs are reduced for vehicles with e-tags to 30c per km for light vehicles, 20c per km for motorcycles, 75c for non-articulated trucks and R1.51 for articulated trucks.

Source

They want a war.

 

[Sinbad]

Boycott the toll roads. Blockade the onramps.

 

[PsyWulf]

"Maximum of R550 per month will be payable and a 15% discount will apply after an initial R400 threshold is reached" interesting

 

[ToxicBunny]

They won't get this money...

There are enough people in Gauteng who will take them to court in about 2 seconds...

SANRAL and the Gauteng government are going to be on a hiding to nothing on this if you ask me.

 

[Heisenborg]

This 30c kak changes nothing. Nobody will fall for it

 

[Messugga]

"Maximum of R550 per month will be payable and a 15% discount will apply after an initial R400 threshold is reached" interesting

That I can somewhat deal with, considering I'll probably be clocking way over R550. I'm still not going to pay the damn tolls until I'm forced to, however.