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backstreetboy said:
Unified memory. Ask your Bard / Chatgpt about it.
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I did:

If your MacBook Pro M2 with 16GB of RAM is using 9GB of RAM with just TradingView and Chrome open, it's likely that an 8GB MacBook Air M2 would be near or at its limit when running the same applications.

Here's what you might experience on the 8GB MacBook Air:

  1. Performance Impact: As you approach the 8GB limit, macOS will start using disk storage (SSD) as "swap" space to offload less frequently accessed data from RAM. While modern SSDs are fast, they are not as fast as RAM, and as a result, you may experience performance slowdowns, especially if the system starts swapping data frequently.
  2. Application Restrictions: You might not be able to open as many tabs in Chrome or have as many charts open in TradingView without encountering performance issues.
  3. Potential Longevity Impact: Excessive swapping can wear out SSDs over time. While modern SSDs are designed to handle a large number of write cycles, constant swapping is not ideal for the longevity of the drive.
  4. Multitasking Concerns: If you often multitask or run other software simultaneously with TradingView and Chrome, you'll be more likely to max out the RAM on the MacBook Air with 8GB.
However, Apple's M-series chips are optimized for efficiency, and macOS handles memory management quite well. It's possible that the MacBook Air M2 might still perform acceptably for your needs, but you would be operating closer to its limits, which might not be ideal for smooth performance or future-proofing your device.

In conclusion, if your workflow involves intensive tasks like numerous browser tabs, charts, or other applications, and you're already seeing 9GB of RAM usage on a similar setup, it would be advisable to go for a MacBook with 16GB of RAM or more for better performance and future-readiness.
 
margincall said:
I did:

If your MacBook Pro M2 with 16GB of RAM is using 9GB of RAM with just TradingView and Chrome open, it's likely that an 8GB MacBook Air M2 would be near or at its limit when running the same applications.

Here's what you might experience on the 8GB MacBook Air:

  1. Performance Impact: As you approach the 8GB limit, macOS will start using disk storage (SSD) as "swap" space to offload less frequently accessed data from RAM. While modern SSDs are fast, they are not as fast as RAM, and as a result, you may experience performance slowdowns, especially if the system starts swapping data frequently.
  2. Application Restrictions: You might not be able to open as many tabs in Chrome or have as many charts open in TradingView without encountering performance issues.
  3. Potential Longevity Impact: Excessive swapping can wear out SSDs over time. While modern SSDs are designed to handle a large number of write cycles, constant swapping is not ideal for the longevity of the drive.
  4. Multitasking Concerns: If you often multitask or run other software simultaneously with TradingView and Chrome, you'll be more likely to max out the RAM on the MacBook Air with 8GB.
However, Apple's M-series chips are optimized for efficiency, and macOS handles memory management quite well. It's possible that the MacBook Air M2 might still perform acceptably for your needs, but you would be operating closer to its limits, which might not be ideal for smooth performance or future-proofing your device.

In conclusion, if your workflow involves intensive tasks like numerous browser tabs, charts, or other applications, and you're already seeing 9GB of RAM usage on a similar setup, it would be advisable to go for a MacBook with 16GB of RAM or more for better performance and future-readiness.
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Lol you're a worse troll than @Dolby.
Apple's unified memory is a memory architecture that combines the system RAM and video memory (VRAM) into a single pool of memory. This is in contrast to traditional computers, which have separate pools of memory for the CPU and GPU.

Unified memory has a number of advantages, including:

  • Improved performance: Because the CPU and GPU can access the same memory pool, data does not need to be copied back and forth between different memory locations. This can significantly improve performance for tasks that require both the CPU and GPU to work together, such as video editing, gaming, and machine learning.
  • Reduced latency: Unified memory also reduces latency, which is the time it takes for data to be transferred from memory to the CPU or GPU. This is because the unified memory pool is directly connected to both the CPU and GPU.
  • Increased efficiency: Unified memory can also improve energy efficiency by reducing the amount of power needed to transfer data between the CPU and GPU.
Apple's unified memory architecture is used in all of its M-series chips, including the M1, M1 Pro, M1 Max, and M1 Ultra. These chips are used in a variety of Apple products, including the MacBook Air, MacBook Pro, iMac, Mac mini, and Mac Pro.

Here are some examples of how unified memory can improve performance:

  • When rendering a video, the CPU and GPU need to work together to process the video frames and apply effects. With unified memory, the CPU and GPU can access the video data directly from the same memory pool, which can significantly improve rendering performance.
  • When playing a game, the CPU needs to generate the game world and the GPU needs to render the graphics. With unified memory, the CPU and GPU can access the game data directly from the same memory pool, which can improve frame rates and reduce stuttering.
  • When training a machine learning model, the CPU needs to process the training data and the GPU needs to train the model parameters. With unified memory, the CPU and GPU can access the training data directly from the same memory pool, which can improve the training speed.
Overall, Apple's unified memory architecture is a significant improvement over traditional memory architectures. It can improve performance, reduce latency, and increase efficiency for a wide range of tasks.
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There. RAM usage will overload an 8GB Air.
And I don't even have Word or Excel open.
 
Dolby said:
Just so he knows, you have to explain that your definition of troll is anyone that disagrees with an Apple user. By default , if you disagree - you’re a troll
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No it's someone who posts nonsense like this just to get a reaction.
Dolby said:
If I just take the BS that you and others push about the latest iOS on 5 year old models? It’s true, but not true at the same time.

iOS17 differs model to model. iPhone 13 Pro is a maximum of 2 years old and it can’t limit charging, it can’t get battery stats, standby is a joke on phones without Always On … and even Always On doesn’t make it because of battery issues. But Standby doesn’t work even though it’s charged? Every model receives different features and it’s not all hardware.

The same as TVoS - each generation is different. Apple TV 4K 1st gen can’t FaceTime … 2nd gen can’t HDR10+ … 3rd gen does everything.

Can you tell me what features will be left off iOS 18 or TvOS 18? Truth is no one knows what features they’ll lack that’ll make your 1 year phone ‘old’

So while it’s great to say Apple is amazing and even old devices get the latest iOS, it’s not really a fair statement.
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margincall said:
I did:

If your MacBook Pro M2 with 16GB of RAM is using 9GB of RAM with just TradingView and Chrome open, it's likely that an 8GB MacBook Air M2 would be near or at its limit when running the same applications.

Here's what you might experience on the 8GB MacBook Air:

  1. Performance Impact: As you approach the 8GB limit, macOS will start using disk storage (SSD) as "swap" space to offload less frequently accessed data from RAM. While modern SSDs are fast, they are not as fast as RAM, and as a result, you may experience performance slowdowns, especially if the system starts swapping data frequently.
  2. Application Restrictions: You might not be able to open as many tabs in Chrome or have as many charts open in TradingView without encountering performance issues.
  3. Potential Longevity Impact: Excessive swapping can wear out SSDs over time. While modern SSDs are designed to handle a large number of write cycles, constant swapping is not ideal for the longevity of the drive.
  4. Multitasking Concerns: If you often multitask or run other software simultaneously with TradingView and Chrome, you'll be more likely to max out the RAM on the MacBook Air with 8GB.
However, Apple's M-series chips are optimized for efficiency, and macOS handles memory management quite well. It's possible that the MacBook Air M2 might still perform acceptably for your needs, but you would be operating closer to its limits, which might not be ideal for smooth performance or future-proofing your device.

In conclusion, if your workflow involves intensive tasks like numerous browser tabs, charts, or other applications, and you're already seeing 9GB of RAM usage on a similar setup, it would be advisable to go for a MacBook with 16GB of RAM or more for better performance and future-readiness.
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Let me refer you again to what GPT said.
 
backstreetboy said:
No it's someone who posts nonsense like this just to get a reaction.
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So if I say the iPhone 15 overheats - is that what you call trolling ? Or iOS can’t sort photos? Or the share sheet is limited? Or iOS isn’t the same on each version?

Is that trolling ?

Maybe iTrolling ?
 
Dolby said:
So if I say the iPhone 15 overheats - is that what you call trolling ? Or iOS can’t sort photos? Or the share sheet is limited? Or iOS isn’t the same on each version?

Is that trolling ?

Maybe iTrolling ?
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The Android one is a pain as well.
www.androidpolice.com

It's time for Google to fix Android's share menu

Useless direct share targets and custom in-app share sheets are the bane of my existence
www.androidpolice.com www.androidpolice.com
Dolby said:
So if I say the iPhone 15 overheats - is that what you call trolling ? Or iOS can’t sort photos? Or the share sheet is limited? Or iOS isn’t the same on each version?

Is that trolling ?

Maybe iTrolling ?
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Same as Android and Windows... My Lollipop phone never got Google assistant baked into the launcher and it got the assistant a year late as well. My Windows XP box updated to Vista never got Aero. My Android TV stick didn't get the Google TV interface. My Huawei GT2e watch never got third party app support since it didn't launch outside of China. My Acer Travelmate of 2008 never could run Windows 64 bit even though the processor supported it. My work Dell laptop can't run Android apps even though it's on Windows 11. My Google Home Minis don't support Apple Music since it's a US only feature.
 
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margincall said:
My Pro has 16 GB of RAM.
With just 4 tabs of Chrome open and 4 tabs of TradingView open, RAM usage is 9 GB.

Does this mean a 13" M2 Air with 8GB will not be able to handle this? I also plan to have Word and Excel open so this will add to the memory usage.
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No, that’s just how Linux works.

It “consumes” everything.

Again, this is not Windows stop applying that logic to it.
 
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