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[CheddarByte]

Kinda pointless getting a 9800x3d right now though. Fine for future-proofing but these benchmarks are done with 4090s at 1080p.

In real life you won't see much difference by upgrading your CPU to play games with with your crappy GPU on mid settings at 4k.

We need to get to RTX 8090 to start seeing performance gains of future CPUs over this one at 4k resolution.

At 4k a 5800x3d will do just fine right now. Pick it up on carb and you're getting massive bang for the buck.

That's the exact reason it's a CPU benchmark..
Whatever the situation is, with gaming, the 9800X3D wont be a bottleneck, regardless of GPU, for the foreseeable future.

 

[Okty]

Alright lads, so far so good, haven't experienced any problems with the pc since last time.

However, just to be safe, I appeased the machine spirit of my pc:

• applied holy scented machine oils to the case
• purity seals to keep foul warp and xenos tech influence at bay
• said prayers of appeasement and gratitude to the Omnissiah

 

[ponder]

These B650M boards are actually nice.



They are cheap too. Not a overclockers delight, but nice to have with a small build.

Do people actually OC their ryzen chips? Got the impression that most don't bother.

 

[Fulcrum29]

Do people actually OC their ryzen chips? Got the impression that most don't bother.

It has been some time since I have heard people speak actively about overclocking. I must say, I like those new Sapphire boards; the boards are minimalist to the point it is needed. Nothing more is required. I doubt we will see it around these parts.

Sapphire is playing it smart with their entry into the motherboard space. Targeting SFF.

 

[ponder]

I must say, I like those new Sapphire boards; the boards are minimalist to the point it is needed. Nothing more is required. I doubt we will see it around these parts.

I'm the type that buys the cheapest of MBs, as long as the vrms don't run hot I'm just looking for a basic platform to plug all my components in as MBs basically do nothing for performance.

I suspect you might find them on Chinese online sites soon, they already sell cheap ryzen cpus.

 

[Fulcrum29]

I'm the type that buys the cheapest of MBs, as long as the vrms don't run hot I'm just looking for a basic platform to plug all my components in as MBs basically do nothing for performance.

I suspect you might find them on Chinese online sites soon, they already sell cheap ryzen cpus.

People hunt down the Maxsun ITX boards on AliExpress, but their VRMs run a bit hot, though still within the acceptable range. These Sapphire boards may be a little bit better. I am curious though whether Sapphire is making their own boards... They do well in this market; they are sure to release higher-end boards.

The only boards I am interested in nowadays are the Gigabyte boards. They seem to get the value right with their price positioning. I like Asrock, but they tend to be on the expensive side here. NZXT boards are all Asrock boards, but aren't sold here.

I so much want to have a small build PC. All my small builds are Raspberry 'builds', lol.

 

[Fulcrum29]

Ignoring gaming I must say that the 7950X3D is a production load workhorse. It absolutely purrs through anything thrown at it. Ever since AMD has given more attention to their compute libraries, the 7900XT crunches through data like there is no tomorrow. The 20GB RAM happens to be the right amount too.

I do think that normal people are overlooking AMD in this regard. It is like their hardware was made to do server things, and everything else second /cough Vega.

At least they have the 5700-5800X3D/7800X3D and 9800X3D to prove their gaming value at the highest-end.

Everyone I spoke too said Intel and Nvidia is the best route to go to do production workloads, but that isn't the case. Ok, they are better in some areas, but I am saving a buck, and I don't need near-imminent results. Threadripper would have been overkill, and killed my bank balance too.

I had a look at Intel's new CPU's and though it sucks at gaming, and some standard workloads, it is very good at doing big data things. Though consumers might not be too interested in it, I think commercial enterprises will be, but then they will look to doing things in the cloud anyway. So, yeah, Intel is a bit doomed this generation, unless they have a rabbit they can pull within the next 12 months, or the US government backs them all the way.

 

[Neoprod]

It has been some time since I have heard people speak actively about overclocking. I must say, I like those new Sapphire boards; the boards are minimalist to the point it is needed. Nothing more is required. I doubt we will see it around these parts.

Sapphire is playing it smart with their entry into the motherboard space. Targeting SFF.

Sapphire made great boards back in the FM2 era...I still have one somewhere. Lots of fan headers, BIOS code display, solid heatsinks and VRMs. And this was in the budget segment for APU's.

 

[Fulcrum29]

Sapphire made great boards back in the FM2 era...I still have one somewhere. Lots of fan headers, BIOS code display, solid heatsinks and VRMs. And this was in the budget segment for APU's.

That was a decade ago? I know that they still make embedded boards. Now you have made me miss DFI. They shouldn't have exited the consumer market. I still own an old LGA775 LanParty motherboard. It is boxed up.

 

[Fulcrum29]

The 9800X3D has gone to market. What is the pricing like?

 

[Gtx Gaming]

The 9800X3D has gone to market. What is the pricing like?

Progenix website says following:

PRE-ORDER:

- Placing an order for this item will reserve your spot in the queue
- Payment not required until stock is ready to dispatch
- ETA is tentatively mid November, pending allocation from AMD
- Once stock is available, a proforma invoice will be sent for payment
- No orders will be released without payment in full
- Estimated price: R 10,499


Wootware has it: R10499 also

Chip is in super high demand and seem low allocation for SA

 

[Fulcrum29]

Progenix website says following:

PRE-ORDER:

- Placing an order for this item will reserve your spot in the queue
- Payment not required until stock is ready to dispatch
- ETA is tentatively mid November, pending allocation from AMD
- Once stock is available, a proforma invoice will be sent for payment
- No orders will be released without payment in full
- Estimated price: R 10,499


Wootware has it: R10499 also

Chip is in super high demand and seem low allocation for SA

That price is way better than expected.

 

[longboy]

The 9800X3D has gone to market. What is the pricing like?

R10 499 at Wootware and Progenix. Arriving on 19 November.

Get it from @Progenix Oj101 though - his after-sales support and Warranties are top-notch! He is here on MyBB too as a Company Rep.

AMD 100-100001084WOF Ryzen 7 9800X3D 5.2GHz 8-Core Zen 5 Socket AM5 Desktop CPU - Cooler Not Included

Buy AMD 100-100001084WOF Ryzen 7 9800X3D 5.2GHz 8-Core Zen 5 Socket AM5 Desktop CPU - Cooler Not Included at Wootware with fast shipping & superb service.

www.wootware.co.za

 

[Progenix Oj101]

R10 499 at Wootware and Progenix. Coming 5 November. Get it from @Progenix Oj101 though - his after-sales support and Warranties are top-notch! He is here on MyBB too as a Company Rep.

AMD 100-100001084WOF Ryzen 7 9800X3D 5.2GHz 8-Core Zen 5 Socket AM5 Desktop CPU - Cooler Not Included

Buy AMD 100-100001084WOF Ryzen 7 9800X3D 5.2GHz 8-Core Zen 5 Socket AM5 Desktop CPU - Cooler Not Included at Wootware with fast shipping & superb service.

www.wootware.co.za

/looks towards the left of my post

It doesn't say Company Rep

And not even bwana knows how to change that

 

[crysis]

Hi All, I'm looking at building a workstation PC and would like some advice on a build. Been a while since I've built a PC and not sure about some of the new details that might maximize my performance. I'll be using it mostly for After Effects and Cinema 4D (VFX and 3D animation). The new Core Ultra 9 seems to be the top performer here. Ram should at a minimum be 96gb, but wondering if its worth going higher with 4 sticks? Not sure what case and PSU I should be looking at, but keep in mind that I'll be putting in a 5090 when that comes out. Below is my first stab at it, would appreciate some scrutiny.

 

[longboy]

/looks towards the left of my post

It doesn't say Company Rep

And not even bwana knows how to change that

"Dealer" sounds like a dodgy gangsta drug seller lol... I chose "Company Rep" cos it sounds nice

 

[longboy]

Hi All, I'm looking at building a workstation PC and would like some advice on a build. Been a while since I've built a PC and not sure about some of the new details that might maximize my performance. I'll be using it mostly for After Effects and Cinema 4D (VFX and 3D animation). The new Core Ultra 9 seems to be the top performer here. Ram should at a minimum be 96gb, but wondering if its worth going higher with 4 sticks? Not sure what case and PSU I should be looking at, but keep in mind that I'll be putting in a 5090 when that comes out. Below is my first stab at it, would appreciate some scrutiny.


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Looks solid so far. Make sure you get a decent AIO cooler like an Arctic III RGB with the new LGA1185 Contact Frame and decent paste like the Arctic MX 6.

The RAM - I'd recommend CL30 and the highest mHz you can afford. Kingston Royal / Trident RGB looks good to me.

A Platinum rating PSU costs just a tiny bit more - go for that for the more stable ripple control.

Make sure you have enough case fans for the case - Excellent choice of case btw. The 5000D Airflow is one of the best imo.

Mainboard looks okay - Check if the Gigabyte Aorus or MSI Tomahawk is available since that has better VRM and build quality.

 

[Fulcrum29]

I don't know why there are so many people out there arguing against buying the 9800X3D. There seems to be this issue with 720/1080p benchmarks. They do understand that it is the CPU being benched and not the GPU?

Hardware Unboxed said it best:

https://twitter.com/x/status/1854438581135401371

I know this will be an issue until the end of time, but I'll say it anyway. GPU limited CPU test is super dumb, pointless and at best misleading. I know someone will have a reason for why 1440p and 4K 9800X3D benchmarks are useful, but I'm here to tell you, you're wrong

People aren't only taking a dig at them, they are taking a dig at all reviewers which did these benchmarks at these resolutions. It is math.

Besides, who will now buy a 7800X3D when you can now buy a 9800X3D? It makes sense in the used market, but you won't get savings there either or at least not now. From how I see it, there are only two CPUs that serious gamers should consider, either the 5700X3D (whilst it lasts) and the 9800X3D. In my opinion, it is not worth saving the odd R1 000 by choosing the 7800X3D over the 9800X3D. Not given the current pricing. The 9800X3D is a massive improvement in benchmarks, hardware, and capability support.

Just bizarre. Either people have buyer's regret, have no one to speak to, hence needing attention, or are on someone's payroll, who knows?

There are circumstances where the 7800X3D should be considered, but all on AM5, it will likely boil down to availability, but where the 9800X3D becomes scarce due to demand, the 7800X3D won't become any cheaper either. Not to ignore that the 7800X3D is also becoming limited in availability. AM4 is still capable.

This whole argument is pointless anyway, all benchmarks conclude that the 9800X3D is the new gaming king irrespectively. Throw in next year's GPUs, and naysayers will have to eat their own current opinion.

 

[Neoprod]

That was a decade ago? I know that they still make embedded boards. Now you have made me miss DFI. They shouldn't have exited the consumer market. I still own an old LGA775 LanParty motherboard. It is boxed up.

Yeah, early 2010's. DFI was the Noctua of motherboard OEM's (pricey) like EVGA. There used to be tons more OEM's in the 2000's before the market consolidated - Shuttle, PC Chips, ECS, Abit. More companies seemed to be able to sell budget boards and stay in business.

 

[Neoprod]

I don't know why there are so many people out there arguing against buying the 9800X3D. There seems to be this issue with 720/1080p benchmarks. They do understand that it is the CPU being benched and not the GPU?

Hardware Unboxed said it best:

https://twitter.com/x/status/1854438581135401371

People aren't only taking a dig at them, they are taking a dig at all reviewers which did these benchmarks at these resolutions. It is math.

Besides, who will now buy a 7800X3D when you can now buy a 9800X3D? It makes sense in the used market, but you won't get savings there either or at least not now. From how I see it, there are only two CPUs that serious gamers should consider, either the 5700X3D (whilst it lasts) and the 9800X3D. In my opinion, it is not worth saving the odd R1 000 by choosing the 7800X3D over the 9800X3D. Not given the current pricing. The 9800X3D is a massive improvement in benchmarks, hardware, and capability support.

Just bizarre. Either people have buyer's regret, have no one to speak to, hence needing attention, or are on someone's payroll, who knows?

There are circumstances where the 7800X3D should be considered, but all on AM5, it will likely boil down to availability, but where the 9800X3D becomes scarce due to demand, the 7800X3D won't become any cheaper either. Not to ignore that the 7800X3D is also becoming limited in availability. AM4 is still capable.

This whole argument is pointless anyway, all benchmarks conclude that the 9800X3D is the new gaming king irrespectively. Throw in next year's GPUs, and naysayers will have to eat their own current opinion.

Dumb ppl gonna dumb. The 9800X3d is decently-priced for being the best gaming chip on the market - Intel were asking a lot more for a 9900k way back in 2018. With the price inflation of the 7800X3d, it's like a no-brainer since they're platform-compatible.