Nice article on Android vs iOS / Open vs Closed

[Ancalagon]

So...how else do you plan on building an 'open' collection? Aren't you still tied to Google Play or Amazon (not following how you can't use Amazon content on Android AND iOS btw, that makes no sense at all. Amazon is Amazon). You're just choosing where you want to lock yourself into.

Yeah look its not completely open. But it is a lot more open. With amazon, I can put my music onto a sony MP3 player or an Android device. Amazon doesnt care.

iTunes does - its Apple or nothing.

 

[greg0205]

Going all Apple would still not have helped with my pet peave, I am talking about applications sharing data not devices. Each app having its own "file store" prevent you from doing simple things like zipping up multiple pics from different applications (Snapseed + camera + Photoshop Toch) and a document and sending them together, or attaching supporting documents to a Powerpoint presentation before you give out a copy after a meeting, you know small things.

Oh and I have devices on both eco systems and there are ways to get them to mix with no issues like Using My Sync Center to use the same media library so I have no qualms with devices from apposing ecosystems(Well bar some apps that you have to Buy twice)

The pros of app sandboxing outweigh the cons IMO.

 

[AlphaJohn]

The pros of app sandboxing outweigh the cons IMO.

Thats your personal view, I get that. Just note there are some of us that it does not work for, and here is the true Open vs closed argument if you ask me.

 

[greg0205]

Thats your personal view, I get that. Just note there are some of us that it does not work for, and here is the true Open vs closed argument if you ask me.

I get your take as well... Different strokes I guess.

 

[_kabal_]

"Closed is great."

Really? REALLY? So he WANTS manufacturers to tell you what you can and cannot do to your own computer?

lol, keep believing you can do what you want with your android phone.

 

[cerebus]

Thats your personal view, I get that. Just note there are some of us that it does not work for, and here is the true Open vs closed argument if you ask me.

I don't 'like' app sandboxing but I do like quick startup times, clear directional workflow, security, intelligent metadata and quality control. And I guess those are the fallout of sandboxing. Actually those are pretty technical issues which obsessive weirdos like ourselves chew over, but the result for the end user is that the app just works.

 

[AlphaJohn]

As someone that use both ecosystems a lot here is some things I wish would jump across. (Some will most probably never happen)

On iPhone:

• Shared filesystem that all my apps can access (Think iCloud but on the device, no need for extra data charges to do so)
• Sideloading/USB access <--- Would like to share data with people without installing crap like iTunes. Nothing like telling someone that 200+ MB presentation/software you want is on my iPad but I can not give it to you cause you do not have iTunes installed. Also, yes I want to pirate & copy music without jailbreaking Deal with it.
• The ability to set Default apps for actions, like clicking on a mail or url links or even if clicking on a Phone number to be able to say use Skype instead of X
• Themes, you do not need to go overboard just allow for simple themes that can change colors and icons. Anything would do, seriously wallpapers is not enough.

On Android:

• Games, yes some jump across, but there are so many that I have to play on the iPad instead of the Eee Pad.
• More like Google Play than Android issue, I want something like http://appshopper.com/ for Android but the Google Play API doesn't allow for this type of marketing.
• More developers that follow the damn Design guidelines, yes dev's 80% of your apps look like S**T
• Better tasking. One thing I love about iPhone is how coming back to applications mostly start where I left them ie: the way they suspend. Android its a dam roulette game on what you going to get, leave app in the background to long and the system kills it, causing it to open from scratch.

I can probably think of loads more on both systems, but for now I guess I would have to live with one foot in each "yard" to satisfy most of my wants.

I don't 'like' app sandboxing but I do like quick startup times, clear directional workflow, security, intelligent metadata and quality control. And I guess those are the fallout of sandboxing. Actually those are pretty technical issues which obsessive weirdos like ourselves chew over, but the result for the end user is that the app just works.

An iCloud like space on the device would have sorted this qualm no problems.

 

[MyLowBandwidth]

I can understand hating Apple. They're not a very nice company at all. Steve Jobs didn't endear himself to anyone. They never bent over to make themselves likable. They're a litigious, hugely greedy, expensive, proprietorial, secluded, monolithic megacorporation. Unlike Google, I guess... But what I don't get is how people honestly think they aren't innovative.

Litigious? like Microsoft?
Hugely greedy? Like all of us would be if were running the most profitable tech company ever?
Expensive? Like any other Tech company. FYI... the iPod is expensive because it quality design. There is STILL nothing that can compete with the iPod. Like wise the iPhone. Do you yourself a favour, go and take a look at the prices of the Galaxy SIII LTE. More expensive than any of the iPhone models. Now compare build quality. Mmmmm who's greedy now. The SIII is more profitable than the iPhone 5. So is Samsung greedy? Hugely expensive. I guess I missed your post when you admitted to that. \
Proprietorial? Come on. Now you're just looking for big words. Show me a tech company who isn't proprietorial and I'll show you a management exco about to get canned.
Secluded? Ohhhh, as in "closed"? Scroll up
Monolithic? Dude. Apple has reinvented itself more than ANY other large corporation in the history of the universe. You cannot claim Apple is monolithic. Old Mutual is monolithic. The post office is monolithic.
Megacorporation? Yes they are a megacorporation and you are starting to sound like a a little girl who dropped her toffee apple.

What I agree with is your last sentence. (which is a bit of contradiction to the message you tried to get across)

Apple epitomizes innovation. There is simply no argument to that.

 

[bwana]

As someone that use both ecosystems a lot here is some things I wish would jump across. (Some will most probably never happen)

On iPhone:

• Shared filesystem that all my apps can access (Think iCloud but on the device, no need for extra data charges to do so)
• Sideloading/USB access <--- Would like to share data with people without installing crap like iTunes. Nothing like telling someone that 200+ MB presentation/software you want is on my iPad but I can not give it to you cause you do not have iTunes installed. Also, yes I want to pirate & copy music without jailbreaking Deal with it.
• The ability to set Default apps for actions, like clicking on a mail or url links or even if clicking on a Phone number to be able to say use Skype instead of X
• Themes, you do not need to go overboard just allow for simple themes that can change colors and icons. Anything would do, seriously wallpapers is not enough.

I remember plugging my nexus into my laptop to see what the fuss was about and voila - nada. I had to go and download an app just so I could copy across movies. If I'm going to need an app to load things I might as well use one that organises things for me, like iTunes.

And since when do you need to jailbreak to load your own music?

 

[cerebus]

Litigious? like Microsoft?
Hugely greedy? Like all of us would be if were running the most profitable tech company ever?
Expensive? Like any other Tech company. FYI... the iPod is expensive because it quality design. There is STILL nothing that can compete with the iPod. Like wise the iPhone. Do you yourself a favour, go and take a look at the prices of the Galaxy SIII LTE. More expensive than any of the iPhone models. Now compare build quality. Mmmmm who's greedy now. The SIII is more profitable than the iPhone 5. So is Samsung greedy? Hugely expensive. I guess I missed your post when you admitted to that. \
Proprietorial? Come on. Now you're just looking for big words. Show me a tech company who isn't proprietorial and I'll show you a management exco about to get canned.
Secluded? Ohhhh, as in "closed"? Scroll up
Monolithic? Dude. Apple has reinvented itself more than ANY other large corporation in the history of the universe. You cannot claim Apple is monolithic. Old Mutual is monolithic. The post office is monolithic.
Megacorporation? Yes they are a megacorporation and you are starting to sound like a a little girl who dropped her toffee apple.

What I agree with is your last sentence. (which is a bit of contradiction to the message you tried to get across)

Apple epitomizes innovation. There is simply no argument to that.

whoa there buddy I'm an Apple fan here pretty much. Just...like Alphajohn I like to try and be balanced.

 

[AlphaJohn]

I remember plugging my nexus into my laptop to see what the fuss was about and voila - nada. I had to go and download an app just so I could copy across movies. If I'm going to need an app to load things I might as well use one that organises things for me, like iTunes.

Can not speak for a Nexus 7, but did not need to install apps for my Eee Pad or Sony phone.

And since when do you need to jailbreak to load your own music?

Since some music is on a removable drive and shared between PC/Laptop. I get that you can store all of it on a single computer and share via itunes to others, that is not the way I do things.

Understand this, just as much as you would hate to manually drag and drop music to a device via a File Manager that is how much I hate doing everything via iTunes. its a personal matter and no amount of this or that will convince me your way is better, in fact it would be the same weight as me trying to tell you my way is better. We both will just end up frustrated and upset with the devices.

 

[MyLowBandwidth]

whoa there buddy I'm an Apple fan here pretty much. Just...like Alphajohn I like to try and be balanced.

Sorry for the tirade. You sounded a bit android-ish. I'm just tired of people stereotyping apple supporters and ripping into Apple unfairly.

Something I do utterly despise about Apple is its international trade relations with its international clients. Seriously they could not care two hoots about anyone not in the US. Even Canadians get shafted. They could at least sell us some vouchers.

So, fair play. I'm not all "fan boy"

 

[MyLowBandwidth]

1st Apple wasn't 1st with the tech, they where the first to bring it to the masses as affordable. <--- HUGE difference
2nd The 1st generation iPhones did not have apps never mind some plain features(3G, copy&paste....) that normal phones of the day used. Back then app stores was not something new either, Nokia had a well established app store for its Symbian phones, hell even Windows Mobile had one. Its the people that demanded the same functionality from Apple, not Apple inventing it as some new wonder called an app store.

Its funny how people keep on forgetting about the little things.

Do you remember a phone called iMate, or something like that. It ran Windows Mobile 5.
Trust me. There were NO apps for that phone nor that OS. And that was around the same time the iPhone was launched. I think I must have figured iMate, iPhone, whats the difference, huh

Yes, I'm a Dumb@ss

As for your views on innovation on the app store, "app stores" as a concept was not apples invention. But turning a poorly implemented concept by a few vendors into a perfect ecosystem inhabited by manufacturer, developer and user, that was Apples invention.

Can a perfect business process not be considered an invention? That's not a rhetorical question. I concede that I might be wrong.

 

[AlphaJohn]

Do you remember a phone called iMate, or something like that. It ran Windows Mobile 5.
Trust me. There were NO apps for that phone nor that OS. And that was around the same time the iPhone was launched. I think I must have figured iMate, iPhone, whats the difference, huh

Yes, I'm a Dumb@ss

As for your views on innovation on the app store, "app stores" as a concept was not apples invention. But turning a poorly implemented concept by a few vendors into a perfect ecosystem inhabited by manufacturer, developer and user, that was Apples invention.

Can a perfect business process not be considered an invention? That's not a rhetorical question. I concede that I might be wrong.

Aaah the iMate's I remember em. Back in 2007 I had a choice to go O2 XDA (The reason why XDA forum was founded) or an iPhone. Well as you guessed it I went the opisate direction than you and I also hated my choice. Dam thing had no apps or a store to speak of, no 3G and did not do half the crap my old BlackJack could do. (Which reminds me I think the store I was thinking of Windows was Samsung only?)

Ended up buying a Xpera Play years later as I was thinking PlayStation and fell in love with Android. Anyway moving on.

History tend to always remember the victors and never those that lost the fight, be it wrong or right to do so is up to you, what I do think is wrong is to act as if the others never existed at all. That my friend is kind of wrong, and that is exactly what this blogger did.

 

[Crowley]

I remember plugging my nexus into my laptop to see what the fuss was about and voila - nada. I had to go and download an app just so I could copy across movies. If I'm going to need an app to load things I might as well use one that organises things for me, like iTunes.

And since when do you need to jailbreak to load your own music?

I only had to install the drivers for my S3 and I could use it like a flash drive.

Litigious? like Microsoft?
Hugely greedy? Like all of us would be if were running the most profitable tech company ever?

Yes, milk the Ifans some more.

FYI... the iPod is expensive because it quality design. There is STILL nothing that can compete with the iPod.

Agreed. The iPod is years ahead of anything else out there.

Like wise the iPhone

There you lost it. If the iPhone was so much better than the S3 wouldn't it have been two of the world's best technology magazines smartphone of the year?

Do you yourself a favour, go and take a look at the prices of the Galaxy SIII LTE. More expensive than any of the iPhone models.

Maybe do some research before talking crap.
http://www.vodacom.co.za/personal/phonesandpackages/deals?dealId=2673
http://mybroadband.co.za/news/cellular/64134-samsung-galaxy-s3-and-note-2-lte-prices.html

etc. etc. etc.

 

[Mike Hoxbig]

Don't see what the big deal is here. I use both, and both are great in some ways and kuk in others. By defending one over the other, the only thing you're doing is wagging your e-peen, and that doesn't help you score chics. If people only have the choice of one or the other, they won't go wrong either way.

 

[undesign]

Don't see what the big deal is here. I use both, and both are great in some ways and kuk in others. By defending one over the other, the only thing you're doing is wagging your e-peen, and that doesn't help you score chics. If people only have the choice of one or the other, they won't go wrong either way.

 

[bwana]

I only had to install the drivers for my S3 and I could use it like a flash drive.

I had to install something called Android File Transfer.

 

[cerebus]

I had to install something called Android File Transfer.

Erm.... was this on a Mac? On PC it's pretty easy you just use it as a flash drive as Crowley says. You do need to install a movie player though, I don't think Nexus7 comes with one out of the box. But I found movie playback to be great on that device, 1080p was flawless. It isn't as good as the iPad3's screen but...well...what is?

 

[bwana]

Erm.... was this on a Mac? On PC it's pretty easy you just use it as a flash drive as Crowley says. You do need to install a movie player though, I don't think Nexus7 comes with one out of the box. But I found movie playback to be great on that device, 1080p was flawless. It isn't as good as the iPad3's screen but...well...what is?

Yes, on a Mac. Most of the people I deal with on a regular basis are also mac users. You can play movies etc via the gallery app.

Since I got my mini a few weeks ago I've barely touched the Nexus.