Nokia (and Microsoft) versus Android and Apple

[system32]

The features of these newly presented phones should have been class leading. They seem rather "me-too" from what i've investgated

"me-too" - that's because MS [-]is tough, but fair[/-] dictates hardware requirements to manufacturers.
http://www.engadget.com/2010/02/15/...eries-windows-mobile-press-event-at-mwc-2010/
So most of the WP7 phones are similar.

 

[McGuywer]

I see, and how does it affect you and your buying decision? You do of course know Symbian is alive and kicking with future development planned for it. Maemo is now Meego and the N9 is just about to launch, Win Phone 7 seems to be OK, Series40 is dominating the world (oh wait, you have no clue what Series40 is).

Now how can you say that? I have a Nokia N97 and it is one of the worsts phones that I ever had.

What phones is gonna use Symbian? Or Maemo? Why would you develop for an OS that is dying?

 

[cerebus]

The features of these newly presented phones should have been class leading. They seem rather "me-too" from what i've investgated

You're making the same mistake that every techhead does when he looks at a new device - just reading a checklist of specs and then thinking the one with the highest numbers is the best. We're all guilty of it . The general consumer has no such biases.

They respond to factors like design, beauty, smoothness, clarity, user-friendliness, speed, dimensions - all of which the Lumia 800 has in buckets. In pure specification terms it's middle of the road, but still plenty fast enough to run WP7 which tends to be lighter on resources than Android. But the design of the chassis is better than any other phone at the moment in my opinion. Samsung is cloning what Apple was doing 2 years ago; LG is cloning what Samsung is doing today. Every smartphone is the same as every other one. This one is not.

 

[McGuywer]

From: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Symbian#Criticisms

Early versions of the firmware for the original Nokia N97, running on Symbian^1/Series 60 5th Edition have been heavily criticized.

In November 2010, Smartphone blog All About Symbian criticized the performance of Symbian's default web browser and recommended the alternative browser Opera Mobile.[72] Nokia's Senior Vice President Jo Harlow promised an updated browser in the first quarter of 2011

I have not seen the updated browser. I have not received any new software updates for the N97 in months, perhaps a year or so.
Android gets updates. Symbian doesn't. Well not the Nokia N97.

 

[elvis_presley]

What phones is gonna use Symbian? Or Maemo? Why would you develop for an OS that is dying?

Nokia's "next billion" campaign revolves around Symbian. So they plan to sell at least a billion more Symbian phones. That's a lot. I wish I could find the original Elop presentation, but if memory serves me correctly, over the next 3-7 years they'll start phasing out Symbian OS devices and letting the OS die a natural death, and slowly build up Meego development to replace it as their entry-level "in-house" OS. The problem was they needed a premium mobile OS and ecosystem right now, so jumped on WP7. One would expect that MS' WP7 dev will be ahead of Nokia's Meego dev, so they'll probably keep using it on their premium phones for a long time. Then, years from now, Nokia will have its options open up with WP7 and a mature Meego platform.

 

[Tinuva]

From: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Symbian#Criticisms



I have not seen the updated browser. I have not received any new software updates for the N97 in months, perhaps a year or so.
Android gets updates. Symbian doesn't. Well not the Nokia N97.

Dno about that, but my N8 is getting updates and service pack quite regularly. It is also one of the best Nokia phones I owned apart from the N82 which still works great as a backup phone, both have nice cameras, perfectly working voice navigation with GPS and just plain works. N8 is also my fav phone by far that I owned. This Lumia doesn't look bad at all, I am just not so sure whether if I will like the WP7 OS.

 

[Tshenu]

Android is an os which was created with the basics of symbian or any os that was there before it's existence with an emphasis to the developers that they should make it better. So there were told make it like symbian but better.
Andrio fanboys say it as if andriond is an inventor of os for smartphone. It is always easy to take someone's idea and make it better than to come up with purely new one. Symbian Anna is a good os to use and i say that because i use it. I would'nt comment about iOS since i have'nt had the opportunity to fiddle with it but i can say something about andriod which is'nt exacly flawless and one can see most of the things that andriod fanboys brag about are thing ported from other os's and made better than what the were. Though it shall be said that the issue of multitasking still leaves a lot to be disered in the android world a leaf they could borrow from the masters of the art ''symbian'' basics textbook. Talking about symbian belle which is due to be an upgrade to all using symbian^3 devises before end of this quarter, it is rumored to be the most powerful, less hungry for resources and advanced os ever created by symbian and analyst say had it was released last year same time of the year things would have been different to what the're now.

 

[Rouxenator]

... Series40 is dominating the world (oh wait, you have no clue what Series40 is).

Now how can you say that? I have a Nokia N97...

I rest my case.

Android gets updates. Symbian doesn't.

Wrong. N8 came out with Symbian^3 then got Anna, soon it gets Belle.
Nokia 5800 XpressMusic, Launched 2008, October - three years later Nokia updates the 5800 and 5530 with some of Symbian Anna’s goodies. http://blog.gsmarena.com/nokia-updates-the-5800-and-5530-with-some-of-symbian-annas-goodies/

Stop being wrong all the time dude.

 

[cozinsky]

Nokia has a niche market namely cheap handsets for the masses. This is a huge market. They can not compete in the smart phone market any longer. Windows mobile will not recover from their terrible Win OS 6 platform and Nokia's persistance with Symbian cost them dearly. Andriod and iOS are simply too far advanced for them to ever catch up.

 

[McGuywer]

I rest my case.

I never said the N97 has Series 40 on.....

Wrong. N8 came out with Symbian^3 then got Anna, soon it gets Belle.
Nokia 5800 XpressMusic, Launched 2008, October - three years later Nokia updates the 5800 and 5530 with some of Symbian Anna’s goodies. http://blog.gsmarena.com/nokia-updates-the-5800-and-5530-with-some-of-symbian-annas-goodies/

Stop being wrong all the time dude.

Selective quoting.... I said at least the Nokia N97 doesn't. The once flagship phone of Nokia. Now, its almost a brick.
If you are ever up here in Pretoria, come and try to work with this phone. It is horrible.

 

[McCrazieGoalz]

Nokia should stick to what they do best - make simple, cheap but tough phones, for the maid, artisan, plumber, mechanic etc. They make good phones that can make a call and receive a call, and they are tough enough to be drop kicked. There is a huge market for this type of phone, and it is a sector that they excel in.
But they should stay away from trying to make smart phones - they will continue to get their fingers burnt. They cannot compete with Apple and Android in the smart phone sector

Nice point.

But, perhaps with their new partner (Microsoft - I heard their latest softwares aren't so bad as their previous ones), those robust basic phones for the plumber or domestic with a little bit of pizazz might just start changing your mind about how sophisticated your maid or plumber is.

 

[Fuma]

Is the Nokia lumia 800 supposed to compete with the GS2, iPhone 4, or is it a fresh start from the begging kinda effort from Nokia?

The more I read on the spec on that Nokia lumia 800, the more I think Nokia is testing waters.

 

[Razgreez]

You're making the same mistake that every techhead does when he looks at a new device - just reading a checklist of specs and then thinking the one with the highest numbers is the best. We're all guilty of it . The general consumer has no such biases.

They respond to factors like design, beauty, smoothness, clarity, user-friendliness, speed, dimensions - all of which the Lumia 800 has in buckets. In pure specification terms it's middle of the road, but still plenty fast enough to run WP7 which tends to be lighter on resources than Android. But the design of the chassis is better than any other phone at the moment in my opinion. Samsung is cloning what Apple was doing 2 years ago; LG is cloning what Samsung is doing today. Every smartphone is the same as every other one. This one is not.

In all honesty i use an arc and bought it for its aesthetics and its performance, the latter which isn't exactly ground breaking. I can afford a galaxy S2 or even an fruit phone 4S but chose neither because the arc suits my needs. The fact that it's a phone that aesthetically stands out in the ever growing crowd is a bonus i ever intended having.

Your comments about the "design and beauty" are entirely relative to your own taste. Sit them next to my, even now aged arc, and they look rather classless and tacky from what i can see in pictures - and i have been following these phones for a while. Fact of the matter is Nokia is losing out because they do not have that landmark phone which sets the benchmark. That is what creates desirability and this desirability filters then into the purchase of other products. Those days when the N95 was king also coincidently happened to be when nokia had the greatest market share. The only phone among those shown recently which seems to have an attractive-ish design is the asha 303.

I honestly don't see these new nokias fostering any great desirability in a market where users are spoilt for choice. That's purely my speculation of course. I could be wrong

 

[cerebus]

In all honesty i use an arc and bought it for its aesthetics and its performance, the latter which isn't exactly ground breaking. I can afford a galaxy S2 or even an fruit phone 4S but chose neither because the arc suits my needs. The fact that it's a phone that aesthetically stands out in the ever growing crowd is a bonus i ever intended having.

So you bought the Arc because it looks good.

Your comments about the "design and beauty" are entirely relative to your own taste. Sit them next to my, even now aged arc, and they look rather classless and tacky from what i can see in pictures - and i have been following these phones for a while.

Yes, you're wrong. There is pretty universal praise for the design aspect of the phone.

Fact of the matter is Nokia is losing out because they do not have that landmark phone which sets the benchmark.

No dispute there.... Question is what is the massmarket's benchmark? I do strongly dispute that it consists of raw specs.

The only phone among those shown recently which seems to have an attractive-ish design is the asha 303.

 

[Denyed]

Cant wait for WP7 to be available here properly

 

[elvis_presley]

Is the Nokia lumia 800 supposed to compete with the GS2, iPhone 4, or is it a fresh start from the begging kinda effort from Nokia?

The more I read on the spec on that Nokia lumia 800, the more I think Nokia is testing waters.

It's supposed to take on the GS2 and iPhone4 head on.

You have to use all the phones before you judge; I've tried them all, and even though it seems under-specced, the WP7 experience is more nippy and fluid than either GS2 or iPhone4. Android is almost legendary in how badly it uses system resources, and iOS4 and iOS5 are really starting to slow things down. Microsoft seems to be the only one that cares about optimizing their OSes - WP7 Mango is testament to this, and look at Win7/Win8 - both using less system resources than the OS before them.

The upshot of not having dual core uber-CPUs, is that the phone will actually get you through a day with heavy use.

 

[Razgreez]

So you bought the Arc because it looks good.

And it suits my needs, comprehension please

Yes, you're wrong. There is pretty universal praise for the design aspect of the phone.

I'm not seeing the praise from anybody but the usual, now dwindling, nokia supporters

No dispute there.... Question is what is the massmarket's benchmark? I do strongly dispute that it consists of raw specs.

Right now it still appears to be the galaxy S2 even though the 4S appears to have the performance advantage

cant see the pic. I was referring to this phone

 

[Niren_M]

The 2 biggest companies in their respective categories made this gadget. Come next year, I believe Nokia will regain market share in the smartphone category.

 

[Razgreez]

It's supposed to take on the GS2 and iPhone4 head on.

You have to use all the phones before you judge; I've tried them all, and even though it seems under-specced, the WP7 experience is more nippy and fluid than either GS2 or iPhone4. Android is almost legendary in how badly it uses system resources, and iOS4 and iOS5 are really starting to slow things down. Microsoft seems to be the only one that cares about optimizing their OSes - WP7 Mango is testament to this, and look at Win7/Win8 - both using less system resources than the OS before them.

The upshot of not having dual core uber-CPUs, is that the phone will actually get you through a day with heavy use.

I figure the only way to truly test this is for you to sponsor say, me, with one of these phones to test out on a proper day to day basis. It it truly proves to be as intuitive and efficient as you say i get to keep it and, most importantly you get your point proven. If it isn't, you get to have it back. Win-Win

 

[cerebus]

And it suits my needs, comprehension please

K....point being, get on with making your point lol.

I'm not seeing the praise from anybody but the usual, now dwindling, nokia supporters

Engadget
Gizmodo
Arstechnica
All those dwindling Nokia fanboys hey...

Right now it still appears to be the galaxy S2 even though the 4S appears to have the performance advantage

Still on those specs hey? Look no question about it, the 800 is middle of the road specs-wise. It's adequate but nothing breathtaking. There are better kitted phones out there. the 4s is one, S2 (which I have) is another. But the 800 just looks different, classier... maybe not than the 4S but miles nicer than the S2.

cant see the pic. I was referring to this phone

http://www.engadget.com/2011/10/26/nokia-lumia-800-hands-on/[/QUOTE]
Yea.. i dont see it msyelf but ok.