Now this farm attack sounds scary.

Fudzy said:
What about those sick bastards who rape babies? There is a lot of crime in this country that just doesn't make sense no matter how you look at it.
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True.
Black and white are traumatised in the same way.
We should get the death penalty back for child rapists and murderers
 
Jola said:
What can one say, this is pretty bad !

Quite clear that robbery was not the motive ! This is the excuse that the apologists always use.
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The other possibility is the people were maybe sent to get rid of the woman & kids by someone close to her? Happens a lot here in SA that sort of thing...
 
BrendanD said:
This was a well planned, well equipped military style operation.
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Far from it. The victims of the attack survived with the mother managing to put out the fire started in their wooden house.

Have you seen what these chumps achieve during a well co-ordinated military style operation?? Total pandemonium and annihilation weather it be farm attacks or CIT heists.

This looks like the work of a bunch of amateurs and/or angry youths...

Either way I hope the cockroaches get what's coming to them...
 
The other possibility is the people were maybe sent to get rid of the woman & kids by someone close to her? Happens a lot here in SA that sort of thing...
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It doesn't fit the MO. First off that sort of thing is usually done by common thugs off the street. See the Taliep Pieterson case for an example.

These guys were well armed and had a plan. If it was plain murder they would have broken in and shot the woman and her children. You burn women and children alive to instill terror. If your job is to kill them you also don't stick around for two hours in a pitched gun battle. If it was amateurs they would have possibly layed down cover fire and escaped. Being shot at is scary stuff snd not something some random tsotsi from the location does. It looks to me like these guys had military training and knew they could stick around for a few hours.
 
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BrendanD said:
It doesn't fit the MO. First off that sort of thing is usually done by common thugs off the street. See the Taliep Pieterson case for an example.

These guys were well armed and had a plan. If it was plain murder they would have broken in and shot the woman and her children. You burn women and children alive to instill terror. If your job is to kill them you also don't stick around for two hours in a pitched gun battle. If it was amateurs they would have possibly layed down cover fire and escaped. Being shot at is scary stuff snd not something some random tsotsi from the location does. It looks to me like these guys had military training and knew they could stick around for a few hours.
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I suppose that's a possibility... but you really cannot believe everything in the story. Lots of guessing by the eye witnesses! Either they could tell how many attackers had been there of they were cowering well away to tell if there was 2 or 20 attackers.
 
I suppose that's a possibility... but you really cannot believe everything in the story. Lots of guessing by the eye witnesses! Either they could tell how many attackers had been there of they were cowering well away to tell if there was 2 or 20 attackers.
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Do you have any idea how dark farms are at night? Or how difficult it is to count people while you are keeping your head in cover trying not to get shot by them while they do the same?

A situation like that isn't like some Napoleonic rifle battle where the two sides stand in formation in broad daylight taking potshots at each other.
 
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If you know something about history, you would identify these exact tactics as it happend with the farmers next to the Fish River in the time of Dingaan and Shaka Zoeloe. Do you remember a guy with the name of Piet Retief. He went to see Dingaan and a treaty was signed, but what did Dingaan do? He killed them all. They say history repeats itself. This is so spot on the truth.
Talk as much as you like.
Moan as much as you like.
The farms will be burned and the farmers will be murdered till such time as we have another Blood River war.
Nothing has changed. They have not become more sivilized that what they were in those days.
 
LottaFun said:
If you know something about history, you would identify these exact tactics as it happend with the farmers next to the Fish River in the time of Dingaan and Shaka Zoeloe. Do you remember a guy with the name of Piet Retief. He went to see Dingaan and a treaty was signed, but what did Dingaan do? He killed them all. They say history repeats itself. This is so spot on the truth.
Talk as much as you like.
Moan as much as you like.
The farms will be burned and the farmers will be murdered till such time as we have another Blood River war.
Nothing has changed. They have not become more sivilized that what they were in those days.
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Except now both parties have firearms...gulp.
 
Flanders said:
Maybe just read the story again until it sinks in. What don't you believe...that it happened? That there was a dicey motive? What's to be skeptical about?
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i did read it, but all of a sudden the government is sponsoring this and we're heading the Zim way again. there is absolutely no proof that the ANC had anything to do with this and the only people making that connection are the people who dislike the ANC already.

it DOES sound like a farm invasion, but i've had to listen to how ET's death sounds like an assassination for 2 weeks too. people will interpret things the way they want to and the people who hate the ANC will think it's plausible.
 
i did read it, but all of a sudden the government is sponsoring this and we're heading the Zim way again. there is absolutely no proof that the ANC had anything to do with this and the only people making that connection are the people who dislike the ANC already.
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Oh ofc the ANC is not directly involved. The thing is they’re also not really doing ANYTHING pro-actively to stop these killings. That’s why people are fed up. Simple things like border patrols are blatantly ignored for the sake of “the struggle”. You would’ve thought that the up and coming young ANC leaders would’ve educated themselves but instead of actively working on real solutions and condemning these killings they’re visiting Mugabe? Wtf gives dude? Do you really think the ANC losses sleep over these incidents? Really? Are you really surprised that people are this skeptical?

I’m sick to death to be politically correct and acknowledge that blacks kill blacks in squatter camps in drunken brawls, so I should just be happy and accept that someday I might be thrashed to death to the tune of “white bastard” while my whole family will be raped. I’M SICK TO DEATH ABOUT IT.
 
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Oh ofc the ANC is not directly involved. The thing is they’re also not really doing ANYTHING pro-actively to stop these killings. That’s why people are fed up. Simple things like border patrols are blatantly ignored for the sake of “the struggle”. You would’ve thought that the up and coming young ANC leaders would’ve educated themselves but instead of actively working on real solutions and condemning these killings they’re visiting Mugabe? Wtf gives dude? Do you really think the ANC losses sleep over these incidents? Really? Are you really surprised that people are this skeptical?

I’m sick to death to be politically correct and acknowledge that blacks kill blacks in squatter camps in drunken brawls, so I should just be happy and accept that someday I might be thrashed to death to the tune of “white bastard” while my whole family will be raped. I’M SICK TO DEATH ABOUT IT.
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it's not about being politically correct, if this WERE just a crime thing then it would be "3000 farm murders, 19000 township murders" rather than crying "white genocide! 3000 farm murders! look how we're victims!" and then proceed to post the most gruesome pictures found on the net only of white people.

there are also a few people who are under the impression that the ANC was directly involved in ET's murder, why would they want to murder the head of the AWB if there wasn't a conspiracy?
 
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it's not about being politically correct, if this WERE just a crime thing then it would be "3000 farm murders, 19000 township murders" rather than crying "white genocide! 3000 farm murders! look how we're victims!" and then proceed to post the most gruesome pictures found on the net only of white people.

there are also a few people who are under the impression that the ANC was directly involved in ET's murder, why would they want to murder the head of the AWB if there wasn't a conspiracy?
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So once again, even though they (yes, I said 'they' - so sorry to all you moderate, non-violent black folks out there) kill each other at a sickening rate, it's just plain insulting for "evil" whitey to complain when he happens to fall victim? In other words, the black on black murderous tsunami that washes over the land, by its very nature, is bound to leave the white population in tatters eventually anyway. It's not specifically aimed at whitey or anything - whitey and whitey's nice things just happen to be in its path. So you have two choices: meet your fate or simply get your butts off the continent and out of its path. Do what you gotta do, just don't dare complain about it because we're not exclusively targeting you, we target everyone. Now don't go around making us look bad with ludicrous words like 'genocide'.

That about it then?
 
Flanders said:
So once again, even though they (yes, I said 'they' - so sorry to all you moderate, non-violent black folks out there) kill each other at a sickening rate, it's just plain insulting for "evil" whitey to complain when he happens to fall victim? In other words, the black on black murderous tsunami that washes over the land, by its very nature, is bound to leave the white population in tatters eventually anyway. It's not specifically aimed at whitey or anything - whitey and whitey's nice things just happen to be in its path. So you have two choices: meet your fate or simply get your butts off the continent and out of its path. Do what you gotta do, just don't dare complain about it because we're not exclusively targeting you, we target everyone. Now don't go around making us look bad with ludicrous words like 'genocide'.

That about it then?
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i don't mind if you say they, it's just like me saying that they(the farmers) deserve it when i know the majority of them don't. i know the majority of africans are better people.

what i also mean is that people are creating an illusion that this is ONLY happening to white people. they actually considered making Huntley a refugee in Canada until they saw the crime statistics. also if you go to all these farm murder websites what do they have in common? they're all pro-white, anti-ANC and majority of the time anti- anything black. now i just wonder what kind of people they have to be that they can't even honestly put their racism aside to deal with this issue or at least give equal time to all races in this country. it's not like white crimes only get reported to white people exclusively.

i also understand that both sides feel that people "do nothing" when something happens to their race, with white people it's farm murders, with black people it's workers getting thrown to lions and being dragged behind cars. i know i cant' compare the two incidents but you must also understand that a lot of black people experience racism personally which will never make it towards the news.

so protesting is good, it's noble, but you just have to ask how is it done and what is the real cause? there are even people under the illusion that black people were happy under apartheid, i mean how can you suggest apartheid as a solution to farm murders?

edit: also i've seen a few bodies of black people, and i can tell you it's not any better than most farm murders. how can it hurt their cause if they put another picture of a black victim in? i bet you the majority of readers would turn it into a racial issue, that they don't want to see dead black bodies, that they don't care or that the black guy "deserved it/was part of some gang/nice trophy."
 
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all these farm murder websites what do they have in common? they're all pro-white, anti-ANC and majority of the time anti- anything black.
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But is this not how black people felt during apartheid? These people feel isolated.

Nothing is done by the ANC so why should they be pro ANC? It's not a race thing but a mind thing. When you are beaten, raped and robbed by a different race than yours your brain goes anti that race. ( It's a science study done on victims ) Your logic say no man it's stupid to be scared but your lizard brain reacts.
And then instead of helping these victims the ANC goes :: AAAHHHH fut you too. You stole the land suffer. Stop being a racist.

Now why would they be pro black or pro ANC?
Most of these farmers are not Pro AWB either they are just pro No violent crimes, if you feel like this and the only hand that is helping you is white? This is trauma this is fear. Nothing to do with apartheid or race. It is who is creating the trauma? So if the healer and the hand was that if the ANC and the police it might just have been a crime.

Yes crime is not only a black on white thing but that is leaving the biggest scars on this country.

Oh yes I know the ANC is not only black but the face is either the puppet or the village idiot. So the face of the party is black. Just like people say the DA will not win because Zill is a whitey and the face of the party.
 
smalltownsky said:
...with white people it's farm murders, with black people it's workers getting thrown to lions and being dragged behind cars.
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In fact it's the vast majority of murders unfortunately. Oh yes, the lion cage incident and the bakkie dragging incident, along with that laaitie who snapped and went on a bit of shooting spree and then there's the UFS pee-in-the-food debacle. Sorry if I left out anything. Yes, the white race will forever be reminded of these 5 white on black transgressions commited so far in 21st century South Africa because c'mon, let's face it, this isn't a one way street or anything.
 
Small that is a stupid example as the people were caught and sent to jail That also happened a few years ago. Comparing one against how many thousands is not the same thing.
That was a shocking horrible thing and I’m glad those that did that were caught. But it was made out to be a race related murder and not just a normal murder no race involved.

So what is the difference when it happens to a whitey? Should we now ignore it and say it’s not race related? If so remember it the next time the AWB kills a farm worker and feeds it to the lions.

Let’s compare the amount of violent rapes murders mutilation and robberies committed white on black where nothing is done and nobody was caught or nothing has come off.

If it’s not race related where are the stats showing that the same % of races are effected by violent crimes?
 
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