Now this farm attack sounds scary.

Mila said:
But is this not how black people felt during apartheid? These people feel isolated.

Nothing is done by the ANC so why should they be pro ANC? It's not a race thing but a mind thing. When you are beaten, raped and robbed by a different race than yours your brain goes anti that race. ( It's a science study done on victims ) Your logic say no man it's stupid to be scared but your lizard brain reacts.
And then instead of helping these victims the ANC goes :: AAAHHHH fut you too. You stole the land suffer. Stop being a racist.

Now why would they be pro black or pro ANC?
Most of these farmers are not Pro AWB either they are just pro No violent crimes, if you feel like this and the only hand that is helping you is white? This is trauma this is fear. Nothing to do with apartheid or race. It is who is creating the trauma? So if the healer and the hand was that if the ANC and the police it might just have been a crime.

Yes crime is not only a black on white thing but that is leaving the biggest scars on this country.

Oh yes I know the ANC is not only black but the face is either the puppet or the village idiot. So the face of the party is black. Just like people say the DA will not win because Zill is a whitey and the face of the party.
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now you see we agree on it :)

i personally experienced paranoid white people growing up. just to me these people have always felt isolated, and now they're playing a bigger part than they did in the past. i don't think we always need to have the disclaimer that black people are victims of crime too, but we must just look at the context and how people are presenting these facts to the world and other people. imagine if the ANC had to show the woes of the land to an overseas country for aid, but they completely left out white people as if they were better off, white people would feel hurt wouldn't they? and this is why i can hardly be sympathetic to the farm murder cause, not because i don't feel sorry for the victims but the people who are pushing the agenda haven't always been the best of people.

i don't expect them to be pro-ANC, but what i mean is this is more of a VF+ issue than a DA or ANC issue. it's come so far that it's not just a call for aid, it's a political movement where they're trying to present the situation in this country as hopeless and that they are the only answer. i also don't think the ANC denies these farm murders, as far as i know they only deny a genocide, but you can correct me please :)
 
Flanders said:
In fact it's the vast majority of murders unfortunately. Oh yes, the lion cage incident and the bakkie dragging incident, along with that laaitie who snapped and went on a bit of shooting spree and then there's the UFS pee-in-the-food debacle. Sorry if I left out anything. Yes, the white race will forever be reminded of these 5 white on black transgressions commited so far in 21st century South Africa because c'mon, let's face it, this isn't a one way street or anything.
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i'm not saying it's bad, i just heard them discussing it on the news this morning and a guy said that they don't make a big deal out of it. that was before i started getting interested in the countries future so i genuinely don't know :)

also, not that i have links but i have experienced terrible racism in my life, even where *I* was angry at how people could be so cruel. growing up i saw a LOT of black people hurt and humiliated, but that's just my experiences and may not be the same everywhere, so i try to include people into a discussion regardless of race or gender.
 
Mila said:
Small that is a stupid example as the people were caught and sent to jail That also happened a few years ago. Comparing one against how many thousands is not the same thing.
That was a shocking horrible thing and I’m glad those that did that were caught. But it was made out to be a race related murder and not just a normal murder no race involved.

So what is the difference when it happens to a whitey? Should we now ignore it and say it’s not race related? If so remember it the next time the AWB kills a farm worker and feeds it to the lions.

Let’s compare the amount of violent rapes murders mutilation and robberies committed white on black where nothing is done and nobody was caught or nothing has come off.

If it’s not race related where are the stats showing that the same % of races are effected by violent crimes?
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it depends on factors, i mean not EVERY farm murder is going to be a racially motivated attack like some websites want us to believe, but then there are some that genuinely are and the government dismisses these when they should be concerned. there is fault on both sides, but the answer to the problem isn't getting more protection for farmers, it's protecting the population as a whole. it's better to give more protection to farmers because they are isolated, but it is also extremely difficult to catch people in townships without invading people's privacy.

people will turn any black and white issue into something racial, hell, it could even be an AWB guy shooting a criminal in self-defense and it will be a racial issue because he is an AWB member. but our mentality in this country has made is stereotype others and to fit into stereotypes
 
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but our mentality in this country has made is stereotype others and to fit into stereotypes
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:( true.

I think the ANC is not doing anything. And that is the problem.:( But you all know how I feel about them.:o



Say we have 10 000 farmers in this country.

That means 8 000 white 2 000 BEE? They do claim 20%?

Say 5% of these are violently killed.

So that is

100 BEE

And 400 white.

(bear in mind i suck at spelling and math)

I have not heard of one brutal murder in the 100 BEE Farmers. And I promise you the ANC will make a wwwhoooWAAA if there were.

And in that lies the real problem. They do not make a whooowhaa on any crime. They use the farm murders as a race tool do devide a country that only wants to be protected from criminals of all races.

They rather point blow smoke and have a party than addressing real issues that devide us. Crime.

What is my issue with this country. Crime. I can live in a country run by blue men and farmed by purple men and policed by green women. Who cares if we are safe fed and housed what colour the guavament is? Now we have a failing one pinting fingers at the previous idiots. And while they do this the criminals are having a ball.

Fight crime not farmers. or fight crime not gun owners maybe Fight crime not tax payers.....
Just start to do something. And start inside then work your way out. When the criminals see their cronies in Guavament hung, they will get the idea.
 
Killing someone can be for a million reasons.

Torturing someone can be for a million reasons.

Killing white farmers/white households brutally, gang raping women in front of husbands, who are beaten/tortured to death, and leaving the wife alive, brutalising, raping, torturing children, burning women and children alive, by tying doors with wire to prevent them from escaping the fire, screaming "Die whites! Viva malema!" when attacking people, all happening whilst a segment of the population supports malema's psychopathic rhetoric and sings songs of death, that directly state their genocidal intent, are all, very specific types of killing and torturing.

It's called genocide.
 
Dude, while this is certainly a very upsetting incident, I would hardly call it genocide.
 
It's pointless arguing with genocide believers on this forum. They believe they're in the midst of a racial hatred genocidic war between all blacks and all whites... As they would say... TIA :rolleyes:
 
Genocide is a deliberate attempt to wipe out a race. This is just really bad crime.
 
Those who believe you have nothing to worry about and that the genocidal "tendencies" won't ever visit you and your loved ones, can continue to do so.

I really do not mind.

I will however, continue to post on what these psychopaths do and say, because if it saves just one life, African, European, Coloured or Indian, through someone sending at least one child overseas, to stand a better chance of survival, than the present political climate in SA offers, then I have done at least something more, than say, "It's ok, they're taking us out of the ghettos to camps in the countryside"..."It's ok, they're just taking us for a shower..."

My daughter is safer in UK. My 11 brothers/half brothers and all parents will die here. We will continue life as usual and try to build this nation into the powerhouse of Africa.

We can make it work, all of us together. We can vote the anc/sacp/cosatu alliance out of power.

I simply will not sacrifice my children whilst doing so.
 
Lightscribe said:
We can vote the anc/sacp/cosatu alliance out of power.
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Not sure that I agree with this part, at least not while the masses blindly vote for the ANC, irrespective of what they do.

Our only hope is that Malema manages to destroy the ANC, without destroying the country. It will be a walk on a tightrope.
 
The owner of the farm has received death threats and was told to leave the farm prior to the first attack, they are trying to get his farm, after this latest incident the police told him not to speak to the media and are quite upset that this reached the media.

He has no decleared open hunting season on his farm and some scary guys are going to go stay there for awhile to as he puts it

Blou appe jag
 
Gawain said:
The owner of the farm has received death threats and was told to leave the farm prior to the first attack, they are trying to get his farm, after this latest incident the police told him not to speak to the media and are quite upset that this reached the media.

He has no decleared open hunting season on his farm and some scary guys are going to go stay there for awhile to as he puts it

Blou appe jag
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Lovely. Hope he stacks 'em high.
 
De beers has mineral rights on his farm but he doesn't want them to mine on his farm, the TLU took over the negotiations and since then all this happened ...
 
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