Nvidia feels the pinch

[killadoob]

Surely AMD and nvidia are both feeling the pinch?

This article mentions people are not buying nvidia expensive 280 but the 4870x2 is roughly the same price is it not? so both companies are hurting at the moment due to the credit crunch world wide.

I think most major electronic companies are suffering.

 

[thriel]

As great as fanboyism is, the whole point is to allow fanboys to learn enough to eventually stop being fanboys and look at the facts then draw conclusions.

1. NVIDIA GPU's in the GT2XX range cost more to manufacturer than the RX7XX line from ATI. (They are physically larger in gate count and process node)
2. 448/512-bit memory bus means PCB is far more complex, more layers, more power phases, more things to go wrong, hence higher risk.
3. RV7XX line is scaled from R6XX GPU which was a failure performance wise. ATI packaged more than 2.5X the stream processors to bring levels up to what NVIDIA G8X GPU's are doing with sometimes less than half the stream processors.
Not saying NVIDIA is better per say, but just different design methodology.

4. Each Stream processor in the GT2XX GPU's is about 3X the power of a stream processor in the ATI R7XX line of GPUs.

5. The writer of the original article has a bias and is surprisingly reporting the reduced revenue for NVIDIA as a win for ATI. However that is not true, realize that this is only NVIDIA's 2nd posting of lowered revenue in the last 5 years almost and yes it is significant, however compared to ATI having made losses annually, for years on end even past the company being bought by AMD, this is hardly the end for NVIDIA.

In 2008, AMD fired 1,600 workers, last month a further 600, and is now going to fire 9% of its workforce (1,100 people) and the rest of the people employed are taking substantial salary cuts. So once again, its important to not be a Fanboy and celebrate everything that's bad that happens to a company you may not like. If things carry on like this over at AMD, there will be no ATI to root for.

Despite lowered revenue NVIDIA in the same time period is still more profitable than ATI,... Its great that we are all fans of various IHV's but in these times, its best to look at things a little more deeply than what we are used too.

Yes NVIDIA has retrenched 6.5% of its work force as well (360 people it is said) globally and I'm surprised that we as fans can cheer for a bad economic climate when it is to do with a certain company we may not like, but forget that when things go wrong financially, it's people who lose jobs, its not only about your Crysis frame rate or how much local distros rip us off

Recession = 2 consecutive negative revenue losses. It's not about weither nvidia had only 2 negative losses over the last 8 years, its about 2 negative losses in a row that technicly puts them in recession with the current credit crunch, and that is big knock for any company.

AMD is thriving in hard times, investors are more likely to back the company up with money because of that.

 

[tinman]

I don't see how the article is reflecting a bias. I have no over arching bias, I support whoever is providing the best products at the time, which right now in my opinion is Ati. A yea ago I happily supported Nvidia, because at the time, they had a product (8800GT) that I thought was the best on the market.

There is a difference between a bias and an informed opinion. The article simply reports that Nvidia is reporting a loss, and that in my opinion, Nvidia's reasoning - "drop in sales to PC makers and end-user demand as the primary causes of the decline." can be largely attributed to people being less prone to luxury spending right now, as well as Ati offering arguably better value on products like their Hd4850

*Edit: and no where does it mention Nvidia's loss as being a win for Ati. It states that Ati's comeback is denting Nvidia. How is this bias? Its plain to see...

 

[SpoOkie]

Nvidia GTX 260 core 216 55nm refresh is the exact same price as a 4870 1GB (the 260 also performs better) If ATI had a rival for the 280/295 than you could say they are expensive but there isn't one...

So stfu about nvidia being more expensive.

 

[killadoob]

They do have a rival for the 280, 4870x2 granted plagued by driver issues but awesome card none the less.

 

[Ghost02]

Nvidia GTX 260 core 216 55nm refresh is the exact same price as a 4870 1GB (the 260 also performs better) If ATI had a rival for the 280/295 than you could say they are expensive but there isn't one...

So stfu about nvidia being more expensive.

Sorry about the dumb question, but does DX 10.1 make a difference?

 

[ShockG]

AMD is thriving in hard times, investors are more likely to back the company up with money because of that.

I don't know which investors those are, but they are not in this dimension we're in. AMD is bleeding money and as I highlighted above if it carries on like this there'll be no ATI to "invest in"
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And no 4870X2 is not GTX280 competitor
4870X2 came in at $549 which was great value, but GTX295 comes in at $499 and its faster and arguably better in all other respects.
4870 1GB is currently competing against GTX 285 which is same price but faster.
4870 512 competes against GTX 280 same price, GTX 280 faster
4850 against 9800GTX+ similar price
4830 vs 9800GTX similar price.

Be careful not to mistake NVIDIA doing badly for ATI doing well... With 4XXX series ATI did better than usual, which is very poorly hence the current situation they find themselves in.

people are less prone to excessive and unnecessary spending on high-end but arguably overpriced solutions such as Nvidia’s GTX280.

Yeah this statement is not based on anything but perception. BTW right now MSRP for GTX280 is same as 4870 which it is faster than. So...

 

[Keeper]

BTW right now MSRP for GTX280 is same as 4870 which it is faster than. So...

lol, noooooo....

you mean X2, a GTX280 is the same price as a 4870X2

oops, I see it's actually cheaper than the 280 now, LOLOL

Geforce GTX 280 602Mhz 1GB DDR3 Dual DVI HDTV-XFX R 5,699
HD 4870 X2 2G GDDR5 PCI-E DUAL R 5,099

http://www.pcint.co.za/components.php

step into my office.....cause ur fscking fired!

 

[killadoob]

Keeper you should not gage your pricing on local pricing, go check out newegg and you will find the 4870x2 is more expensive that the 280.

Not sure where shock is getting the 280 is now priced the same as a 4870 though but the 280 is cheaper than the 4870x2 overseas.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814125200

Now i dare you to find me a 4870x2 under 429 dolla.

As shock mentioned the gtx295 which is much faster than 4870x2 is actually cheaper, i am not sure where this whole nvidia is so expensive BS is coming from.

 

[Keeper]

Now i dare you to find me a 4870x2 under 429 dolla..

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produ...lickDeals-_-NA-_-NA-_-NA&Item=N82E16814131116

hey, you said $470! lol...

 

[killadoob]

Sorry was that a 4870x2 for under 420 dolla?

No your getting your 7's and 2's confused

 

[Keeper]

Sorry was that a 4870x2 for under 420 dolla?

No your getting your 7's and 2's confused

no, you dared me to get it below $470, and when I got one for $429, you changed your post..

anyways - even if it is more expensive in the US, the 4870x2 whips the GTX 280, and even 2 of them in SLI, so the extra money spent is worth it.

In south africa though, the person buying a 280 instead of an X2, is an idiot.

 

[Weasley]

keeper for prisedent

 

[killadoob]

no, you dared me to get it below $470, and when I got one for $429, you changed your post..

anyways - even if it is more expensive in the US, the 4870x2 whips the GTX 280, and even 2 of them in SLI, so the extra money spent is worth it.

In south africa though, the person buying a 280 instead of an X2, is an idiot.

Go look at the time i edited and the time you posted noobcake

5 minute difference so unless i am a mind reader

 

[Keeper]

Go look at the time i edited and the time you posted noobcake

5 minute difference so unless i am a mind reader

ok well if you didn't see my post yet, than you must have found that deal yourself - cause i definitely remember $470. but hey, if you CAN see the future - in your opinion, who's gonna have the best bang for your buck cards in the next round?
(And by that I mean, who is gonna have a loss of sales...)

 

[killadoob]

Well i won't be upgrading my 9800gx2 for as long as i don't need 2

Not to many games i cannot play high , although if i was going to upgrade i would get the 295 because its faster and cheaper, although i am not sure in this country the pricing.

O yes i did say 470 but i was still searching

 

[Keeper]

didn't really answer my question, but IMO if ATi Undercut nVidia again, and have better value for money, nVidia is gonna really feel it.

and, ATi probably will....

The More people buy ATI, the better for everybody - let nVidia drop their prices a little, to compete with ATi.

 

[killadoob]

Nope the more people buy ati the more expensive they will become, amd love making their products more expensive when they have an edge.

Yea though thanx to Ati nvidia is now cheaper , no driver problems and nvidia's top of the line gpu is only 499 dolla .

GO ATI you beauty

 

[Keeper]

Nope the more people buy ati the more expensive they will become, amd love making their products more expensive when they have an edge.

Yea though thanx to Ati nvidia is now cheaper , no driver problems and nvidia's top of the line gpu is only 499 dolla .

GO ATI you beauty

yeah, thanx to ATi's amazing 48xx series, which whoops nVidia's GTX 2xx Series....

 

[ShockG]

Keeper are you in the same universe as the rest of us???
48XX whoops GTX2XX series? Really
GTX280 >> 4870 512MB and 1GB version
GTX285 >> No direct competitor but even faster than above
Dual GPU solutions 295 just pwns 4870X2
GTX 260 216 >> 4850 /4870 512MB
Which 4XXX series is this that you're talking about?

I have 4870 1GB /4870X2/GTX280 and 295 to use and trust that the NV solutions are faster, cooler, physX support and the video encoding is way better quality. Also better game compatibility...

AMD 4XXX series is good, but what made everybody excited was the pricing not that it was performance king, it never was save for dual GPU solution which has now lost it to GTX295