NVIDIA GeForce RTX 30 Series | Official Launch Event

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xcaliber said:
It's not. Ordering a 500 dollar GPU on Amazon, the price to bring it to sa is r11000.

So I don't know how you came up with your numbers.
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Looking at what the 2000 series was priced at after the lockdown and junk status, that's how mate.

You are ordering off Amazon, very different to ZA pricing.
 
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cmmackem said:
Looking at what the 2000 series was priced at after the lockdown and junk status, that's how mate.

You are ordering off Amazon, very different to ZA pricing.
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How is it different? If local shops can't compete. You buy from Amazon. Amazon coverts to price to ZAR.

The rand could get worse in 3 months. Could improve a bit. Who knows.
 
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xcaliber said:
How is it different? If local shops can't compete. You buy from Amazon. Amazon coverts to price to ZAR.

The rand could get worse in 3 months. Could improve a bit. Who knows.
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And the warranty?

Well, local shops sell tons so there goes that logic.
 
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xcaliber said:
Only an idiot will spend 10k on a 2080.

A decent price for a 2080ti is r10k. Even that might be too much.
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If you figure that 3060 will eventually come in around ~2080/Super levels and cost say $350, it radically shifts the value proposition of 2xxx cards. A 2080 shouldn't be worth more than $270 new. It's obsolete tech. So a secondhand 2080, in a few months, will probably set you back R4000. Imagine what that does to all other tiers of cards. R1500 for a 1070ti sounds reasonable. It's a joke.
 
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Fulcrum29 said:
Pending on availability I may have a 3070 come in later this year, in luggage.
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I'll let the dust settle and probably only look at what's what early next year. I seem to recall some of the first batch of RTX cards had memory issues and had to be swapped out.

I'm also expecting AMD to improve their value proposition given what Nvidia showed...I'll take whatever offers the best performance per dollar in a few months.
 
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Neoprod said:
I'll let the dust settle and probably only look at what's what early next year. I seem to recall some of the first batch of RTX cards had memory issues and had to be swapped out.

I'm also expecting AMD to improve their value proposition given what Nvidia showed...I'll take whatever offers the best performance per dollar in a few months.
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What sometimes happens, is that AMD undercuts nVidia, and then nVidia immediately drops prices.
Or, AMD has a performance edge, and then nVidia releases "Super" cards. I would definitely wait until AMD announces their next cards and we get some reviews.
 
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Neoprod said:
I'll let the dust settle and probably only look at what's what early next year. I seem to recall some of the first batch of RTX cards had memory issues and had to be swapped out.

I'm also expecting AMD to improve their value proposition given what Nvidia showed...I'll take whatever offers the best performance per dollar in a few months.
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Don't hold your breath on performance, rumours on navi/rdna isn't really sounding to be more powerful than nvidia but there will probably be a corresponding lower price. With new graphics engines like UE5 coming next year, medium range graphics today may have a shorter future proof cycle than usual for new games.
 
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Barbarian Conan said:
What sometimes happens, is that AMD undercuts nVidia, and then nVidia immediately drops prices.
Or, AMD has a performance edge, and then nVidia releases "Super" cards. I would definitely wait until AMD announces their next cards and we get some reviews.
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I cannot conceive of a way that AMD could undercut Ampere. In my opinion AMD desktop graphics have a big big problem.
 
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I've always gotten a midrange card and on that end Nvidia also leads the way. AMD has a lot of work to do.
 
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Some more info:
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https://www.reddit.com/r/nvidia/comments/ilhao8/nvidia_rtx_30series_you_asked_we_answered/

Some of the stuff I found interesting:

Will customers find a performance degradation on PCIE 3.0?

System performance is impacted by many factors and the impact varies between applications. The impact is typically less than a few percent going from a x16 PCIE 4.0 to x16 PCIE 3.0. CPU selection often has a larger impact on performance.We look forward to new platforms that can fully take advantage of Gen4 capabilities for potential performance increases.
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What breakthrough in tech let you guys massively jump to the 3xxx line from the 2xxx line? I knew it would be scary, but it's insane to think about how much more efficient and powerful these cards are. Can these cards handle 4k 144hz?

[Justin Walker] There were major breakthroughs in GPU architecture, process technology and memory technology to name just a few. An RTX 3080 is powerful enough to run certain games maxed out at 4k 144fps - Doom Eternal, Forza 4, Wolfenstein Youngblood to name a few. But others - Red Dead Redemption 2, Control, Borderlands 3 for example are closer to 4k 60fps with maxed out settings.
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What kind of advancements can we expect from DLSS? Most people were expecting a DLSS 3.0, or, at the very least, something like DLSS 2.1. Are you going to keep improving DLSS and offer support for more games while maintaining the same version?

DLSS SDK 2.1 is out and it includes three updates:
- New ultra performance mode for 8K gaming. Delivers 8K gaming on GeForce RTX 3090 with a new 9x scaling option.
- VR support. DLSS is now supported for VR titles.
- Dynamic resolution support. The input buffer can change dimensions from frame to frame while the output size remains fixed. If the rendering engine supports dynamic resolution, DLSS can be used to perform the required upscale to the display resolution.
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Does RTX IO allow use of SSD space as VRAM? Or am I completely misunderstanding?

[Tony Tamasi] RTX IO allows reading data from SSD’s at much higher speed than traditional methods, and allows the data to be stored and read in a compressed format by the GPU, for decompression and use by the GPU. It does not allow the SSD to replace frame buffer memory, but it allows the data from the SSD to get to the GPU, and GPU memory much faster, with much less CPU overhead.
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Will there be a certain ssd speed requirement for RTX I/O?

[Tony Tamasi] There is no SSD speed requirement for RTX IO, but obviously, faster SSD’s such as the latest generation of Gen4 NVMe SSD’s will produce better results, meaning faster load times, and the ability for games to stream more data into the world dynamically. Some games may have minimum requirements for SSD performance in the future, but those would be determined by the game developers. RTX IO will accelerate SSD performance regardless of how fast it is, by reducing the CPU load required for I/O, and by enabling GPU-based decompression, allowing game assets to be stored in a compressed format and offloading potentially dozens of CPU cores from doing that work. Compression ratios are typically 2:1, so that would effectively amplify the read performance of any SSD by 2x.
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DLSS with resolution scaling sounds pretty cool to me. It is already difficult to notice a difference between native 4K and upscaled 4K, but with resolution scaling it should be even less noticeable.
 
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Meh... It's mostly extra RTX performance. RTX is the new PhysX, except where NVidia bought the patent on PhysX, now RTX is just an API on top of the Vulkan library path tracing end points. Sure they patented the api name, as NVidia is inevitably wont to do... And made it proprietary, as they are wont to do... And they probably did some optimisation and dedicated hardware support for their RTX api, as they are wont to do... And they are likely pushing their api among game developers, as they are wont to do... But it's just Vulkan in the end. Sadly of course the way they've done it many games will support RTX, but not the very Vulkan path tracing methods it is built on.

You can skip the bits about RTX, apart from knowing it will perform a bit better on the new card, and get the real news. Also of course the +-15 minute flashback. And the 10 minute or so speech by that other guy.
 
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